I suppose.

They are only waiting for the rain.

I remember saying this when his "surrender" was the cause of much jubilation. Cabaas was in Beerxaani (20 km to Kismaayo) and it was strategic for him to surrender after Barre's temporary setback and return to Gedo. Cabaas has only one loyalty (alle ka sakow'e) and that is to ina Aden Shire. I have no doubt what kaalin he would take were Barre to remarch this second back to Kismaayo. MADAXII AMMAANKA COL.BARRE HIIRAALE IYO CIIDAMO UU WATAY OO MAXKAMADAHA ISU DHIIBAY

I respect your position, but I would kindly disagree sxb. The ICU, despite what it might have been founded on, is today flexible covering for good as well as the bad guys. If the good cannot even speak against the bad, then what is the moral reason for supporting the entity :confused: 1) The TFG made up of tribal warlords, appointed on merits of death I respectfully also disagree with this statement. The TFG is s a 200+ assembly made up of all kinds of Somalis from different clans and walks of lives. The [previous] warlords are not even members of the "TFG" per-se. What important portfolios do they today hold. Dorraadne iyagoo wasiira ah yaa lagu kari waayey war imaada, shalayne iyagoo xildhibaan ahaantooda ayey meesha magan ugu soo doonteen.

Caaqil- I am still for peace and for reconciliation. In my own judgement, I think I might have been a bit naive and even a bit dreamy at times in the past. That is not to say that, when I was critical of the positions of the TFG, that I was ever in support of Mogadishu warlords who were then the other equation. I support the re-emergence of a viable Somali state with working institutions. I see it as the best way forward for the country. The JVA was a 33-member strong politburo and only two of those positions were filled by members of Indhacade's background. Those two individuals, as you can remember, were Yusuf Mire Seeraar and later Maxamed Rooble Jimcaale (who was sent in Seeraar's place when Seeraar was personally expelled by Hiiraale from Kismaayo for over two years). The only member of that background who could have been connected to the JVA was Hassan Qhalaad and his ties were symbolic in nature. I do not support tribalism and neither do I support any agendas against our religious folk and I think my position on that is clear and has been clear. The ICU brought peace to Mogadishu and no one can deny that. The ICU, however, has had plenty of opportunites to work for complete equality and justice and I believe they have failed in that endeavor. The ICU has become a faction in my eyes, a flexible covering for both a few religious and many opportunists. Abdulahi Yusuf is a man and can meet his maker this instant. The TFG is a way to bring back the institutions of the state which will outlive many of its current members and observers such as I. I would rather invest in the re-emergence of our much needed institutions then a faction that has been overtaken by exclusive opportunists from its more original nobler objectives.

Caaqil- I have no desire to childishly bicker back and forth you sxb but I stand by my statement. You not only were free to tell us where your mother is based but also of your own clan. That's that. Horn, I know of only one forumer that acts like a chameleon; one who supports different factions of the somali warlords every 6 or so months. Why you not supporting whole heartedly the Hiraale-Indho cade alliance a few months ago????? Why you not against the TFG??? Barre Hiiraale never had an alliance with Indhacade. If you mean the JVA, do let me tell it was established before Abdiqasim introduced Indhacade to the world by naming him the governor of the L. Shabelle and neither was he a member. Seeraar and Goobaale you could say and can comment on their stay in Kismaayo, but give me one stay, even one visit Indhacade visited with Barre Hiiraale and I will acknowledge I am a liar and lied about you. Even if you had said Hassan Qhalaad, I would understand but to Indhacade sxb I say laa. Even so, that I had been opposed to the alliance is not a secret, particularlay around here even during times it seemed the strongest. I neither considered it productive nor healthy; atleast an alliance of that nature during the confusion of these times. In fact, if I may acknowledge a good that might have come out of all the ruckus of the past month, it is the alliance is over and behind us. I remember saying this last June: How long have you been itching for my position of this grouping? I wont disappoint you so take a breather and let this sink in. I have always been opposed to the grouping. Had you been here longer, you would have known of my position but sadly you have tried numerously to pin that grouping on me expecting Horn to defend an entity he is very much opposed to. Ask your pal Duke. Awoowe, I support Barre. I support what the man stands for, and what he represents. Isabahaysiga Dooxada Jubba, as we can all agree, vilifies the character, of what I truly believe, is a good man and hurts the legitimization of a good cause based on correcting a wrong. Why does it exist? There is no shame in saying a top brass of Barre's men believe it is a good and sound strategic alliance and, while sharing no hand in the illegal occupation of the Lower Shabelle, gives them access to markets in Mogadishu not just for Kismaayo but for Gedo region. It also provides them necessary taxes on in-coming business towards the port from Mogadishu business enterprises during the duration of the instability and closure of Mogadishu ports. Do they give a little? Sure (who doesn't in this day and age) but the return, in my understanding, outweighs all. It also closed off a portle for Morgan before he could have signed the deeds that led to the formation of a JVA entity. JVA is a double-edged sword. On one side the men have a become a business force back in Mogadishu and on the other it hurts their political image. Have they thought about it? Have they found ways to seperate politics from business? I think they have as evidenced publicly from the speeches and positions of the top man himself (even in the Mog Abdullahi has yet to visit!), but that is another topic all together. Source

I find this extremely hard to believe.

Originally posted by Caaqil: Duke, I don't support the IUC because they belong to my clan (THEY DON*T!!!!!!!!!) I support them from a sober mind. You should not lie Caaqil. You have said on this forum and I clearly remember you telling me that you are of Indhacade's clan and that your mother is based in Beled-Xaawo. It might have been a while ago but I remember it nonetheless.

Wiilo, can we not then conclude that you are as tribalistic or more then the rest of us are around here? Your articles all have one thing in common, and the last one you had posted sums it up. For those of you want to know when the article was written, this is the article again in print... GodeyNews.com Abdullahi Yusuf can’t rule Somalia By Jerry Okunggu @ 29 October 2006 10:10 PM No, Godeynews posted that on October the 29th. I saw that article long ago in AllAfrica.com which posts articles from news papars across the African continent.

Originally posted by Paragon: Could it be that your analysis is just the application of your own state of mind to all others you seek to analise? 'Lacks sophistication'

I am guessing that is Downing Street?

Originally posted by General Duke: How unhappy you seem, upset cause Saransoor is upset? 'fraid so. Maybe he plans to meet him in Xuddur..? Who knows? Isagee u taal.

^ The fundraising itself has been going on for a while now and a good majority of the money has been raised. This particular event is to celebrate that achievement more then anything else. Nuune, Kismayo University is still on albeit side-tracked. The city deserves a university and inshallah a university it shall get! Duke, another institution is being planned for the regional capital Garbaharey. That one will be named the University of Gedo.

^Mindha SomaliaOnline adigu un bee wax macne le kula tahay. I don't understand why you still have not given your blessings to this to thread. I mean come one, don't tell me you missed it?

Originally posted by Paragon: Waraa ookiyaalaha xiro . See camal adiga yaakheey, nin David la dhaho maaba geber kuula ekaadey Alle-Ubaahne, waa dhacdaa mararka qaarkood, aniga imisaa PM ii soo dirtay cinwaankiisuna yahay 'Abaayo waan ku salaamey' War naga daa, oo anigu kaliya yaan moodaye inuu wax kale igu qaldaye ileen odaygu meesha caan buu ka yahay!

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^ the people are sheep. They will follow which ever wolf is stronger. Lol @ sheep. Maxaa ku daaray sxb. This is the second time I read a statement of this sort from you, except this time it is not said with as much anger as before.

Maashallah, marwada Abdullahi is quite the first lady.

Originally posted by Northerner: You are entitled to your opinion! Such defience.

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by Abwaan: Waa ayaandarro in arrimo noocaanoo kale ah ay dhacaan xilligaan, balse waxaan ku kalsoonahay in shakhsiyaadkii ka masuulka ahaa sharciga la hore keeni doono. Shime he saxiibo. Hadi ila iyo hada la horkine waayay abeedkoodba lama keeni dono. The crime committed by senior officers within the ICU, endorsed by higher officials and todate no arrest except the naming or alleged appointment of a committe who have yet to be named. Why is it taking so long, when the ICU are the sole rulers of the region? This is not a cover up, it is just that those who committed or either one way or the other endorsed the crime are among the untouchables within ICU, and their persecution will trigger a potential rivalary within the fragile union of the ICU. Fact. War ninyaho xog-ogaal ayaad tahay.

Groups! This gets juicier you don't say. Sxb, if you had not heard it before, you do fare so well with generalizations, do you not? Paragone ii daa, anaa u sheegayo haatan in raagaa loo aargudi dooni sida ugu dhaqsiyaha badan inshallah.

Bambo, if you had read news reports concerning Barre's retreat and the Entity's entrance into Saakow, you would have known both of those cases were done by foot. Things would have stood the same way had not Barre decided to regoup because it is him who is headed to Kismaayo. The other group only had to defend Bu'aale, they were not going anywhere. But when Barre voluntarily retreated back to Baardheere, they moved in Saakow by foot as they were also affected by the rain. Baardheere: Ciidamada Col. Barre Hiiraale oo qorshaynayaan dagaallo ay dib ugu qaadaan gobolada Jubooyinka. Khamiis, November 02, 2006 APL Baardheere (AllPuntland)- Saraakiil ka tirsan ciidamada wasiirka ee dawladda federaalka Soomaaliya ayaa waxa ay sheegeen in ay dib u qorshaynayaan weerar ay ku qaadaan magaalada Kismaayo ee xarunta gobolka Jubada Hoose. Saraakiishani ayaa waxa ay sheegeen in ay wadayaan hamigooda ku aadan in ay dib ugu laabtaan hogaankii gobolada Jubooyinka gaar ahaan magaalada Kismaayo. Waxa ay intaasi ku dareen in ay heleen teegeero ciidan oo ay ku awoodaan in ay markaan ku qabsadaan gobolada Jubooyinka. Magaalada Baardheere ayaa haatan waxaa ku sugan siyaasiyiin badan oo ka soo jeeda beesha wasiirka gaashaan dhiga Soomaaliya Col. Barre Hiireele uu ka so jeedo, kuwaasoo qaarkood xukuumadda Soomaaliya ay ku jiraan. Hadaladani ayaa waxa ay ku soo adaayan iyada oo dhowaan wasiirka gaashaan dhigga iyo ciidamadiisa lagu jabiyay dagaal ay maxkamadaha magaalada Muqdisho kula galeen magaalada Bu`aale ee xarunta gobolka Jubada dhexe. Mahad Jama Koronto AllPuntland

^Waa gartaa inaa sidaa u hadashid. Tallaw maxaad odhan doontiin markay adinku idin ku dhacdo. Sophist, why don't you concentrate on that "terrorist" killed in Daynuuney sxb? We have read enough of your scarce contributions to know what your general opinion towards this way is.

Fartaag oo ku hanjabay mar kale in ay duulaan kusoo qaadayaan gobollada Jubooyinka si gacanta Maxaakimta ay kala baxaan. Col.C/laahi Sh.Ismaaciil Fartaag oo kamid ah saraakiisha Maleeshiyaadka Wasiirka Gaashaan dhigga ayaa markale ku celiyay in weerar ay kusoo qaadayaan gobollada Jubooyinka ee Maxaakiimta Islaamka ay maamulaan,isagoo ka gaabsaday in uu cayimo goorta weerarkaasi ay soo qaadayaan. Col.Fartaag oo saxaafadda ugu warmayay deegaan ku yaalla gobolka Gedo ayaa intaasi ku daray in dagaalka haatan ay soo qaadayaan uu noqon doono mid daran oo ay dib ugu qabsanayaan deeganadii maamulkooda uu ka jiray,ee ku yaalla deegaanada Jubooyinka. Fartaag waxaa uu beeniyay in dagaalkii ka dhacay Bu'aale lagu jabiyay maleeshiyaadka Hiiraale,balse waxaa uu qiray in dagaalkaasi looga qabsaday gawaari dagaal oo aad u fara badan,isagoo taasina sabab uga dhigay roobab xoogan oo deeganadaasi ka da'yay maalmahaasi. ''Dagaalkaasi kuma jabin anaga,cidii xaqa wada ayaana markasta guusho raaceysaa,laakin Baadilku waa baxaa,Insha Allah waan ka guuleysan doonaa kuwa kusoo duulay Jubooyinka''ayuu yiri Fartaag,oo intaasi raaciyay in ay ka go'an tahay weerarkaasi ay ku qabsanayaan Kismaayo. C/laahi Fartaag waxaa uu ku eedeeyay in Maxaakimta islaamiga ah ay dagaalkii ku qabsadeen maxaabiis kadibna ay khaarijiyeen,waxaana dhankiisa uu sheegtay in ay hayaan maxaabiis uu ka qabsaday Maxaakimta balse aysan dilil,sidoo kale Fartaag waxaa si kulul uu u beeniyay in awoodoodi la wiiqay,isagoo sheegay ciidankoda wali diyaar in uu u yahay weerar ay ku qaadaan jubooyinka. Fartaag oo wax laga weydiiyay hadii wadahadal ay ka galayaan maxaabiista la kala heysto ayuu sheegay in aysan diyaar u aheyn wadahadal waxaana uu is weydiiyay sida ay suura gal ku noqon korto wadahadal in ay la galaan waxa uu ku tilmaamay rag ka kala yimid Pakistan,Sucuudiga iyo Eritrea. Si kasta oo ay ahaataba hanjabaada kasoo yeertay Fartaag ayaa sii murjin karta xaaladaha colaadeed ee ka taagan dalka,kuwaasi oo u dhaxeeya dowladda FS iyo Golaha Maxaakimta islaamka,iyadoo shirkii Khurtuum lagu kala tagay natiijo la'aan. Jibriil Nuur Alghamidi Wakiilka MarkaCadey - Mogadishu

^You might not know, but I am almost certain Miskiin would have liked to see more then mere 5 prisoners massacred.