Originally posted by Abu Paragon: ThePoint and Horn, happy now? Well of course! Sheikh Fiqi has always been one of my most excellent sources of amusement around here.

Taake, it is a mystery of modern media why few opposition seems to get more airtime than widespread support!

Originally posted by Sheikh Fiqqikhayre: But the absurd thing is he wasn't even from the dervishes or their progeny! So doesn't this, then, negate what you had explained as the motive behind Paragon's statement?

Taako- If you had even taken a moment out of your time to understand why then you would have found the answer. The state of Somalia is under martial law and the ministry of defense has taken control of the security of the areas under the TFG with the support of both the executive and legislative branches. Only in Somalia will this happened but it will be this way for a duration of some months the prime minister has highlighted. The deputy minister of Defense has been put in charge of the Benadir region, the has clan influence, whereas the Minister of Defense is nominally in charge of the the country as a whole but specifically in the area comprising the future Jubbalad State. This is his powerbase and can command loyalty from all quarters. It is strategic.

Please explain Sheikh Fiqi. I would love to see you give an indepth analysis on something other then the places you have devoted your time to in the past.

Originally posted by Taako Man: Hornafrique Who has been named for the respective positions? Is there a monopoly of One CLAN? Well of course not everyone will be satisfied but great care is being put into majority rule, minority rights. Whoever is the majority will rule, so if you are confident about that status then there is no reason to complain. Besides what is there to complain about? The time of strongmen and their militias eating the tax money of Kismaayo's port is gone. There is a government here to collect those taxes so dadka calaacalayo is what I would call dad iska jaahil ah.

A very interesting development.

Paragon, I thought the propaganda of LaasQorey was already settled? There are tensions but it is not clan motivated and has nothing to do with the allegationsor players of mentioned in LaasQorey. Warka soo hubso. As for the rest of cyber politicking, the truth on the ground could not be farther. Gedonet is only responding to that cheap cyber politick. Everything Barre Hiiraale and Cabdirashiid Xiddig are doing towards the declaring of a Jubbaland State are with the blessings of the president and the prime minister. As long as it is understood the temporary hegemony of General Morgan is gone with the wind, the faster the fate of Jubbaland can accepted. It is my belief that some clan opportunists were expecting more biased support from Abdulahi Yusuf as president. It is time to move on.

Originally posted by Castro: ^ I could reject A/Y based on his actions or on his lineage. I'm clearly justified in the former, not so the latter. Pray tell, LePoint, on what basis do the worshipers of Yeey do so if it's not based on lineage? And in direct rejection of his actions. So, even if I reject him for his lineage, I'm just another clannist Somali who has every right to do so. But there's enough reasonable doubt in my case (based on Yeey's record) to swing a jury the other way. In the case of GD (and his day care), I'm not sure you even need a jury. Either way, accuse me all you want. Yeey is a criminal warlord and the head of a puppet government installed by the west. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it." You never seemed to care before, provided he was holed up in Baidoa.

Originally posted by Sophist: Castro, my suspicious mind leads me to believe that your painful loathing isn’t directed primarily towards Ethiopians or Abdulahi Yusuf!! It is the blood running through the veins of AY that you wholly dislike or dare I say hate?

Miskiin, armaad is odhanaysaa wax la goosan karaad la timi? Ma waxaad islahayd "victim mentality" baa meesha ka soconayso ee waxa siday u dhacayn qof sheegayaan jirin? Amase waxaad islahayd ninka isaga laftigiisu walaalki la toogtay hala "demonize" gareeyo? Adeer waxaan ku leeyahay baq baq meesha la fadhi, Gedaan lahayn la fadhi, Koonfur Galbeedna la fadhi, Baydhabana ragaan ogahay iima xoreyn la fadhi, balse aniguna waxaan ku leeyahay barta aan haatan fadhiyo yaan fadhin ee wax kasta wax allad la timaadid gaashaankaan ku dhufan! Wax la yable, balse, xilka aad meesha ka wadatid iyo aflagaadada iyo personal attacka caynkaa le'eg ee aad meesha usoo horseeday taana wa mid aan Admin iyo dadka kaloo meesha ka musuul ah aan kala hadli doono. Barre Hiiraalane waxba meel kale ha eegin, wakaa howshiisi bilaabay. Wareegto uu soo saarey wasiirka gaashaan dhiga Dowlada fadaraalka KMG ah ee Soomaaliya Barre Aadan Shirre Barre Hiiraale. January 07- 2007 HornAfrik, Mogadishu Wasiirka gaashaan dhiga ee dowlada KMG ah ee Soomaaliya Barre shirre Barre Hiiraale ayaa maantey soo saarey wareegto oo u ku magacaabayo gudi uu ugu magac daray gudiga Kormeerka iyo xaqiijinta howlaha Amaanka ee Gobolada Jubooyinka Sida wareegto ka soo baxdey xaafiska wasaarada gaashaan dhiga ee dowlada KMG ah ee Soomaaliya ayaa waxaa lagu magacaabey gudi lagu macaabey gudiga kormeerka xaqiijinta Amaanka iyo waliba hor marinta baahida Bulshada ee gobolkaan J/hoose . Gudigaani oo ka kooban 18 Xubnood ayaa waxaa Gudoomiye u ah xilibaan C/rashid Maxamed Xidig oo kamid ah xubnaha baarlamaanka KMG ah ee Soomaaliya oo kusgan Magaalada Kismaayo. Waxaana wareegtaani ku cad in la magacaabey dadkaani kadib markaan aragney sida uu yiri wasiirka gaashaan dhiga Barre shire Barre Hiiraale baahida ay bulshadu u qabto in si deg deg ah loogu soo cel.iyo adeeg yadii Muhiim ka ahaa iyo waliba kadib markii aan lala tashaday ayuu yiri Mas'uuliyiinta Dowlada fadaraalka KMG ah ee Soomaaliya Gudigaani ka kooban 18 Xubnood ayaa howla hooda waajibaadka shaqa ah waxay ay yihiin ama noqon doontaa xaqiijinta nabad galyada guud ee Gobolada J/hoose soo celinta adeeg yadii bulshada ee muhiim ka ahaa ka howl galida ilihii wax soo saarka ee gobolka u fududeynta bulshada Gobolka waxyaabaha ay dowlada Oga baahan yihiin kormeerka iyo waliba sida gaarka ah ee gobolku baahida u qabo iyo waliba dhamaanba waxyaabaha kale ee laga ma maar maanka ah sida ku cad wareegta daasi Wareegta daani oo uu ku saxiixan yahay xilibaan barre aadan shire barre Hiiraale wasiirka gaashaan dhiga ayaa sidoo kale waxa ay soo baxeysaa xili maamul KMG ah aysan lahayn Magaalada Kismaayo tan iyo markii ay gacanta u gashay Ciidamada Dowlada KMG ah ee Soomaaliya iyadoo haatana ay kusugan yihiin mas'uuliyiin ka tirsan mudanayaasha Barlamaanka iyo wasiirada ee dowlada KMG ah ee soomaaliya Dadka wareegtaan ku cad ayaa waxaa kamid ah dad iyagu intooda badani ah dadka deegaanka waxaana kamid ah Xaaji Daahir Maxamed Cilmi / xaaji C/yare /Maxamed C/llaahi Omaar /Ibraahim Timajilac / iyo kuwa kale oo aad u badan dhamaana wareegta daani waxay ku soo beeg meysaa xili Gobolkaan J/hoose iyo guud ahaanba Jubooyinka aan wali wax maamul ah laga samaynin Sahro Cabdi Axmed Hornafrik Kismaayo

Originally posted by mystic: Start with Abdullahi Yusuf. He could for once, even for a visit come to Mogadishu. He let the invading troops to enter the capital before him…. It has long been realized, though not followed, that respect to Somalia's clan consciousness and alleviation of its suspicions is the key to bringing back the Somali state.

Nothing worse then we have seen in the past 16 years.

This is Dayniile also saying the Defense Minister's forces were fired upon and the life of Barre's brother was taken. waxaana la sheegay in maleeshiyooyinkaasi ay si kedis ah rasaas isugu bilaabeen ilaalada wasiirka gaashaandhiga oo uu ku jiro nin ay walaalo yihiin oo lagu magacaabo Shugri Aadan Shire, Source

Originally posted by BiLaaL_07: quote: Originally posted by HornAfrique: [QB]Two feuding clans were fighting over a deserted ICU truck full of heavy armaments when the TFG forces leaving Diinsoor heard the squabble and the defense minister sent a younger brother of his and another army officer on a sahan to go investigate the problem. Horn, the article tells an entirely different story. I don't know how good you're Somali is but the report indicates that Barre Hiraale was enraged upon seeing a vehicle belonging to him which Islamic Courts fighters captured from him during fighting that took place in Bu'aale, shortly after he was the capture of Kismaayo by the Courts. Hiraale was simply angry at the site of seeing his former vehicle in Diinsoor. Two feuding clans were fighting over a deserted ICU truck full of heavy armaments when the TFG forces leaving Diinsoor heard the squabble and the defense minister sent a younger brother of his and another army officer on a sahan to go investigate the problem. The deserted truck you speak of belonged to Hiraale. Instead of simply reclaiming the truck, the murderer went on a rampage and killed upto 10 people. How can anyone excuse that? You're version of events don't add up. Are you telling me that you're more informed than C/fitaax Ibraahim Rashiid, the minister in the TFG who first reported these incidents or of the well-informed Shabelle reporters. When will you TFG supporters stop making excuses for these murderers? Hadal badan haan ma buuxsho. Shabelle did not accuse the defense minister of anything. Shabelle reported that the defense minister was cheaply accused by one man. You should comprehend what you seek to discuss. Here is an article as the event was reported on that same day. Is Rasaasayn Sababatey Dhimasho Iyo Dhaawac Oo Ka Dhacay Tuulada Arabow Oo Ka Tirsan Degmada Diinsoor Dec 31,2006 by Baardheere-GEDO-NN wararka laga helayo dhinaca Deg.Diinsoor ayaa waxay sheegayaan in galabta Tuulada Arabow oo 15km dhanka konfureed kaga toosan Deg.Diinsoor uu iska hor imaad kooban halaakasi uu ku dhexmarey kolonyo ciidamo ah oo uu hogaaminayey Wasiirka Gaashandhiga Col.Bare Hiiraale oo ka tegay degmad Diinsoor iyo maleeshiyo beeleedyo deegaankaasi isku haystay labadii maalin ee u dambeeyey Baabuur xamuul ah oo saanad ciidan ay saarnaayeen oo ay ka carareen maleeshiyadii maxkamadaha. Ciidamo la socdey wasiirka oo maqley dhawaqa rasaasta ayaa istaagey goobtii ay ku hardamayeen labada maleeshiyo beeleed waxaana halkaasi dhacdey inay rasaas ku furaan Ciidamadii wasiirka la socdey, iyadoo halkaasina ay ku dhinteen labo ka mid ah ciidamada Col.Bare hiiraale. lama oga khasaaraha dhabta ah ee soo gaarey maleeshiyadii rasaasta adeegsatey,hase ahaatee warar ayaa sheegaya in dhowr qof ay halkaasi ku dhinteen,waxaa sidoo kale la soo sheegayaa in ciidamada wasiirka ay safarkoodii halkoodi ay ka sii wateen iyagoo ku sii jeeda dhinaca Deg.Bu,alle oo ay ku sugan yihiin Ciidamo ka tirsan kuwa Dowlada. A C Saalixi-Gedo-nn-B/dheere Source And this is a condolence for Barre's brother; Condolence

Kenya: Gov't to Expel Somali Leaders The East African Standard (Nairobi) January 6, 2007 Posted to the web January 7, 200 Sunday Standard Team Nairobi Foreign Affairs minister Mr Raphael Tuju has issued a terse statement warning Somali leaders opposed to peace efforts in the Horn of Africa country would be expelled from Kenya. Tuju's statement comes after five Somalia MPs were arrested on Friday and detained after they addressed a press conference in which they asked for the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops from their country. "The Kenyan Government will not standby and watch as efforts to bring peace to Somalia are undermined by a group of self-seekers calling themselves leaders, operate from the comfort and safety of luxurious hotels in Nairobi," said Tuju. The minister said the Government would not allow its territory to be used by people who abuse the hospitality given to them and who are bent on promoting selfish interests. The Government, he said, would not hesitate to take decisive and punitive action against those who subvert peace efforts. He said measures that could be taken against them include expulsion. He said the MPs were issuing hostile statements to the media even when a meeting was being held in Nairobi to restore order in their country. Tuju reiterated that there was a new momentum to restore peace and stability in Somalia and the efforts should not be "held hostage by any single interest or side issues being propagated by a few Somali leaders". The Foreign Affairs minister said majority of Somalis had agreed to embrace reconciliation under the transitional federal government led by President Abdullahi Yussuf. "I call upon all leaders from Somalia to refrain from issuing hostile statements that would promote animosity or suspicion between clans or factions or even between countries of the region," he said. The transitional Somali government has now entered Mogadishu two years after it was formed in Nairobi. Ethiopian troops helped bolster its forces against those of the Islamic courts union who had taken over large parts of the south of the country. But reports coming in from Somalia indicate that Yussuf may have a difficult time if he does not get the support of all clans. In an interview with BBC's news hour programme on Friday night, a leader of the ********* clan living in the city, Mr Mohamed Uluso, said Yussuf had to do some house cleaning before he gets the goodwill of the people. He accused Yussuf of sidelining some clans while building the government forces. The international Contact Group on Somalia urged Yussuf to engage all groups in the country. The meeting resolved to send an African Union force to bolster the transitional Government. Meanwhile, eighteen students from Somalia were detained at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport for several hours on Friday night. The students had landed in a charter plane at the airport at about 10pm when police and Immigration officials moved in and detained them for hours. They were reportedly part of a delegation from Somaliland who had come for an Information Communication and Technology (ICT) seminar sponsored by the United Nations, officials said. UN officials intervened and said they had invited the students. Officials at the airport said the students were allowed to leave for their hotels after hours of interrogation by security agencies. "They claimed that they were invited here by a UN agency," said an official. The development came as eight members of the Islamist movement, who were arrested in Liboi last Monday, were moved to Nairobi for further interrogation. They were driven from Garissa to Nairobi under tight security for further scrutiny. CID officers are holding the officials at an undisclosed police station. Sources said the men may be deported any time and that consultations were under way. The suspects are said to be trainers of the disposed Islamist Courts Union (ICU). They were captured at the border after Ethiopian troops drove them out of Somalia. Yesterday, Somalia President Abdullahi Yusuf left for Mogadishu as Immigration officials intensified their hunt for MPs, who allegedly called for the pull out of the Ethiopian troops. The whereabouts of five legislators who were arrested on Friday remained a mystery. Twenty others were still being sought for interrogation. This was after the legislators called for a press conference in Nairobi and condemned the Ethiopia invasion and demanded that they leave immediately. Kenya supports the invasion and that is why the legislators were questioned. "We will not allow Kenya to be used as a ground for waging war. We want to know if they are here legally," said an Immigration official. Foreign Affairs minister Mr Raphael Tuju said last Thursday Kenya was happy that the officials of Somalia's Transitional Federal Government are in Mogadishu. THE Orange Democratic Movement-Kenya (ODM-Kenya) has urged the Government to treat the crisis in Somalia with caution. But speaking in Kisumu, ODM-Kenya secretary general Prof Anyang' Nyong'o yesterday warned the State against getting sucked into the crisis in Somalia by arresting its MPs in Kenya. Police in Nairobi flushed out five Somali legislators from their hotel rooms before placing them in custody after interrogation by Immigration officials. "We as ODM-Kenya are saddened by the twist of events on the crisis in Somalia and our Government should re-think its foreign policy," Nyong'o said. He called on the Government to step up security on its borders with Somalia and solve the crisis through negotiations. "We should re-open our borders with Somalia and seek ways of solving the crisis...they are and will remain our neighbours...we cannot change that," he said. Nyong'o, who was accompanied by Mbita MP Otieno Kajwang', said deporting the Somali MPs would set a bad precedence. "The Government had breached the international law and Geneva conventions after locking out more than 400 fleeing Somali refugees last week," Nyong'o said. The Kisumu Rural MP said the Somali MPs in custody could be innocent. "The interim Government in Somali was born on Kenyan soil and the MPs elected and sworn in here...how could they have been terrorists overnight?" Nyong'o posed. Kajwang' said: "We are shocked that Foreign Affairs minister Raphael Tuju said last week that the lives of more than 400 refugees sent back last week were not in danger." The Mbita MP, who is a lawyer, said Kenya would be an accomplice in crimes against humanity if the crisis gets out of hand. Lang'ata MP Mr Raila Odinga asked the Government to provide humanitarian aid to women and children fleeing fighting in Somalia. Raila said turning back the refugees was against the fundamental rights of humanity and asked the Government to stop the blame game with the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR). Addressing a rally at Kitale's Kenyatta Stadium on Friday, Raila said they have reports from the UNHCR that children and women fleeing the fighting are being turned away at the border. "We want to see the Government take a serious stand on the Somalia fighting and the fate of refugees. It should say whether it is ready to assist refugees," said Raila. Raila wants the Government to state the number of those who died after Ethiopian military planes strayed into Kenya and bombed a village in North-Eastern Province. He said unconfirmed reports indicated that several Kenyans were killed in the bombings. On Tuesday, the Ethiopian planes were reported to have bombed Amey, a small Kenyan village, three times. The village is situated some 17km East of the Liboi border. But the parliamentary Defence and Foreign affairs committee has defended the Government's move to shut its borders with Somalia. Mr G G Kariuki, the committee's chairman, criticised UNHCR for condemning the country. He said the country was justified to turn away scores of refugees, running away from fighting in Somalia. "The Government should not be seen as unsympathetic to the refugees since it understands Somalia's position more than any other country in the world." said Kariuki. Speaking in Nyahururu Town on Friday, Kariuki said it would be wrong to open the borders because of the crisis in Somalia. The MP was concerned that the number of Kenyan security officers patrolling the border was inadequate. He said the international community should leave Somalia to sort out their problems through negotiations. "The interim government is fighting for survival while the Islamist Courts want to control the country. They must negotiate to find peace," he said. Kariuki said Kenya had suffered for a long time due to the instability in Somalia, adding that peace in the region would stop the proliferation of arms. Source [ January 08, 2007, 12:33 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

So this is a show to you? Something to make you feel an edge?

And somehow this is good for Somalia or the suffering city of Mogadishu..?

No such thing happened. Infact if anyone grieved it is Barre Hiiraale for the unmitigated and cold blooded murder of his brother. Two feuding clans were fighting over a deserted ICU truck full of heavy armaments when the TFG forces leaving Diinsoor heard the squabble and the defense minister sent a younger brother of his and another army officer on a sahan to go investigate the problem. Immediately and without provocation the small sahan was attacked and the lives of both Barre's brother and the other army officer were taken. Upon hearing the heavy gunfire, the defense minister naturally believed it to be an ambush and immediately ordered a full guns-drawn move on the area. That is how the clash happen, no such massacre took place.

Originally posted by Jabarjaan: If we ask how Poor Duke felt when our fellow somalis were being bombed by the Tigray jets, I bet he would answer he was happy about it. He thinks only one clan was being bombed. O Allah fahansii dadkayga in dalkeyga tigree qabsaday.. Amen Attack the message, not the messenger. These sorts of character assassination are not helping anything nor this "I have more moral superiority than thou". How do we go on from here? So the Ethiopians pack and the TFG disintegrates. What then? Back to warlordism and mayhem? At same point people will need to understand a threshold has been passed and the only way out is forward.

How would this individual take it when the facts presented to our own Miskiin are presented to him concerning ownership of land extending over a hundred years ago? These people must realize they are not in villages spinning whatever tales.

Obviously this will not be presenting the TFG's case to reer Mogadishu in positive light so why undertake it? Though 800 is symbolic in nature for a city that large, I believe this will have negative repercussions.

A very misleasing title if any. Try to seperate opinion from fact next time.

I believe this an excellent leap for the TFG. As soon as they can fill the power vacuum and establish some sort of system, the faster every aspect of the capital can come under their control including the confidence of the people.

What I have yet to understand is why ina Caydiid would even speak what he spoke?