Somalia;759540 wrote: The man has to save his own reputation, the hypocrisy of objecting the intervention was hilarious, I support the Shariif either way, oppose or not oppose. He was kinda humiliated but hey he agrees with me now , regardless of who made him change his mind, the new decision is good for all.

Che, How am oblivious yo? I am fully informed and do care. This is just a bad era for all Somalis. We will have to work with what we got for now. Somalia shall come back insha'allah.

^I know right! Somalis can't meet by themselves, foreigners make them meet. Qashiimiin dheh LOL

Shariif has finally been forced to stop opposing Azania. I am not sure how can exactly that was done but it was done. He has changed his stance and now fully the support the Azania State of Somalia.

Madaxweyne Shariif iyo Madaxweyne Gaandi oo Nairobi ku kulmay kuna gaaray heshiis kulan xasaasi oo socday in ka badan laba saac iyo bar ayaa xalay saqdii dhexe ku dhex maray magaalaada Nairobi Prof Gaandi Madaxwenaha dowlad goboleedka Azaaniya iyo Sh. Shariif Madaxweynaha DKS. kulanka oo ay markii hore Wasiiro goob joog ka ahaayeen iyo dublumaasiyiin kale ayaa markii nusa saac uu socday ka dib albaabada u xirtay Madaxweynaha dowlad gobaleedka Azaania Prof Gaandi iyo Madaxweynaha DKM Soomaliya Sh Shariif Sheekh Axmed waxayna ku lafa gureen xaaladda wadanka marayo, xiriirka dowlad goboleedka Azaania iyo dowladda KMG, howlgalka mallateri gobbalada Azaania ka socda iyo mad madowga soo kala dhexgalay dadka reer Azaania iyo Madaxweyna soomaaliya. kulanka oo ahaa kii ugu horeeyay oo ee yeeshaan Prof Gaandi iyo Sh. Shariif inta loo Gaandi Madaxweynaha dowlad goboleedka Azaania ayaa qodobadii la isla meel dhigay waxaa ka mid ahaa 1) in xariirka dowladda KMG iyo dowlad goboleedka Azaania la xoojiyo mad madowga jirayna dib loogu laaban 2) in caqabad danbe dowladda KMS ku noqon habsami u socodka xoraynta goballada Azaania iyo qaab dhismeedkiisa. 3) inaan hogaamiyo kooxeed iyo jabhadayn loo ogolaanin gobalada Azaania 4) in dowladda KMG soomaaliya waxay xaqa ugu leeyihiin gobolada Azaaniya la garab istaagto dhan walbo 5) in qaab dhismeedka dowlad goboleedka Azaaniya waafaqsan yahay axdiga dowladda KMG una dhanyihiin dhamaan dadka udhashay goboladda Azaaniya ciddii wax tabanaysana la la hadlo 6) in dowladda Keyya iyo dowladda Soomaaliya xarii kooda sare loo qaado Kenyana loogu mahadceliyo 20 sano qaxootiga Soomaalida haysay iyo garab istaaga ay u samaysay shacabka soomaaliyeed. kulankanoo ahaa mid xasaasi ah si saraaxad ahna loo wada hadlay ayaa ku dhamaaday farxad iyo is gacan qaad iyo wada shaqayn buuxda inay wada yeeshaan masuuliyiinta waxayna ku balameen in kulumada joogtada ah badiyaan. Kulanka labada masuul ayaa daaqada ka saaray wixii is afgaranwaa ee labada dhican ka jiray albaabadana u furaya bog cusub oo ay yeeshaan DKS iyo dowlad goboleedka Azaaniya oo iyadu dhawaan ku soo biirtay maamul goboleedyada dalka ka jira isla markaana ah maamul deegaan ku saleeysan lagana dhoowrayo xasilinta iyo daganaansho in ay u horseedo shacabka labada Jubbo iyo Gedo oo ay si gaar ah u diloodeeyn labaatnakii sano ee la dhaafay duulaano iyo faragalin kaga imaneeysay meelo fog fog oo deegaanka ka baxsan. Jubbalandnews.com Nairobi, Kenya

Xiin, you should have warned me in advance. Waan yaabay wallee. Thanks anyways. Gabbal, we will drop the Kismaayo debate now, agreed. For the Kenyan intervention, Shariif's position sounded the worst before you showed up. At least he was saying the reasons behind his opposition to the incursion were nationalistic ones. Adigu you are here telling us the incursion was great idea with one condition, the Gedo boys have to have a role . I am afraid I will have to agree with Xiin's conclusion on your stance.

Che -Guevara;759235 wrote: But Gabbal is saying otherwise. In fact, according to him, Jubba admin is in the works with the Ethiopia, Kenyans and TFG. What gives? LOOL that is good question, I shall let him address that. I had no idea Ethiopia had anything to do with Jubbooyinka. Horta laba aan kala saarno, if we are talking about Jubbooyinka, no Gedo! If we are talking about Azania, then Gedo boys can discuss. And he is against Azania, the only one that makes him count LOL.

Jacaylbaro;759232 wrote: Farah Macallin would not be in Hargeisa if that is Qabyaalad ....... Yesterday Alshabab were not operating along the Kenyan borders and he was stu^*d not to foresee that but today he realized the threat. True daaat!

Eng.Cadde;759229 wrote: Good analysis gabbal This singularity claim isnt valid anymore ,come on,it was ghandi who added there are more than 34 clans that live in jubboyinka.any attempt by clan to subjugate others in their own land is not gonna work and hey "*********" has no boundaries,if zone5 and NFD are under occupation i dont get why some want to make us hostages in our free land. See what I am talking about? Dhul balaadhsi baad rabtaan lol. Why not anymore? Why did that change? Baydhabo maad qabsataa hadaad rabtaan lol

Che, Majority of them are on board. Those negotiations shall continue, they will be big part of Azania.

There is no qabyaalad in Faarah Moalim's heart. You got that wrong. If he had qabyaalad in him, he wouldn't have supported Maxaakimta over his cousin, Yey. Shalay: War on the GOOOOOOD Maxaaakim Today: War on Al-Shabaab Al-Shayaadiiin. Hopefully, we see the difference.

Che -Guevara;759219 wrote: Zack-Unless Gabbal is AS, I say you would rather sit down with Gabbal instead leading Kenyans into Somalia. LOL, I answered your question, yaa ex-shabaabi Gabbal doesn't control anywhere, what is the point of sitting down with him now. Alshabaab do and those Kaligood Muslims don't negotiate.

Eng.Cadde;759216 wrote:

Che -Guevara;759214 wrote: ^You are rather invite Kenyans than actually sit down with Gabbal to find a solution to the Jubbas and Gedo? No. I would rather sit with Somalis and negotiate. Unfortunately, no one can sit with Shabaab and yes I want Shabaab out regardless who kicks them out. P.s. Trust me dude, I am no fan of foreigners but first thing first. Alshabab have to leave.

Che, Been there done that. The dream won't get anybody anywhere. Let's face it. We can't just sit there and wish for the best. It doesn't work that way.There are times people need to re-consider their options and sacrifice something (this time opposition to all foreign interventions in the motherland and being " a nationalist". Gabbal, you might as well go ahead and claim Jowhar, Balcad, and Xamar, too. Since you are dream-talking, don't limit yourself very much . Somali wey is taqaanaa, it is one thing to claim some where, it is another to really be there. The Gedo boys are no where near Saakow and Bu'aale, that is just a BS. On another note, trying to divide (virtually) the community there claiming that parts of that community are "politically" aligned with your folks is quite ludicrous. Kismayo, Bu'ale, Badhadhe, Saakow, Qooqaani, Ras Kambooni, Dhoobley, Afmadow, Hagar are all united now. Waa lasoo jeedsaday sxb. Goobaale's JVA is not there to help this time. Barre is gone and will never come back. I suggest that your folks focus their energy on Gedo. Home is the best. Hanqal taag carra aadan shaqo ku laheyn waa lugooyo. Azania wey xoroobi Al-shabaab waa laga adkaan.

Mustafe;759190 wrote: Zack, So from where your standing S/land's recognition is very close miyaa sxb lol? Maya sxb, midnimada Somalia waa muqaddas Laakiin korka umbaa la iskala socon. Kala shaki weyn baa jiro.

^Attacking me personally won't do any good duqa. I asked a valid question, try to answer it or dodge it again if you wish. Do you support the Kenyan invasion yet oppose Azania? That is all I want to know.

^They are delusional and you are in dreams, that is the difference. Gabbal, So to clarify, you support the Kenyan incursion but you oppose Azania? Cajiib badanaa! LOOOOOL@Dhuumaal. You just had to put one of tolka's names in there, huh? Anyways, if it were up to me, I would've kept Azania to Jubbada Dhexe and Jubbada Hoose. After all, the TFG charter requires labo gobol to make a dowlad goboleed. This Gedo boys need their own state in their own Gedo and Azania would've been really local to the Jubbooyinka. Qaskaba Gaandi baa leh. P.s. Dhuumaal reports to Ahmed Madoobe, waa laba qashiin.

Eng.Cadde;759031 wrote: The zack A boy in luuq or xamar has more rights and closer to jubbas then one from bosaso or shiniile dont you think? heheheh You got that wrong, the boy from Bosaso is closer to Jubba. After all, clan is everything Line-ka dhinacaas kasoo gal and stick to your Gedo.

Xaaji Xunjuf;759144 wrote: Its sad but zack and abtigis were right on this one gari allay taqanaye Sidaas weeye adeer. We will have our own version of UAE, just more and more of that. There is no way Somalia can come back from top to the bottom but there is a way it can grow from the bottom to the top.

We already told you that Shariif Canbe has no nationalism in his heart. I see some disappointment and calaacal from the folks who were disagreeing with our claim. Making sure he signs what he first publicly opposed

[TQUOTE=NGONGE;758834]Gabbal, what is your opinion on this thread, saaxib? You've strangly kept your powder dry when it comes to this whole enterprise.Well, apart from falling out with Xiin (which is no big thing these days). What's your overall opinion on EVERYTHING related to this story, saaxib? I am looking forward to Gabbal's response to this.

^Let him talk, he thinks he is from Kismaayo even though Luuq is a different town.

Lol ok thanks for the clarification.

TJhis is all based on your opinion? Midda kale I see you are very interested in this Azania thing these days. Worried for cousin Godane? Don't worry he will be back to his country, Somaliland.