It's official Chelsea are not title contenders any more.

This is where our biggest disagreement comes from. You think that the 2011 Kenyan incursion = The 2006 Xabashi invasion, I don't. You think that Shabaab = ICU, I don't. When you say Somali solution has to come from within, can you elaborate on that? How exactly can that happen? Please answer this question because Che couldn't. You are telling us Somalia's problem has to be solved by Somalis but you also tell us that Somalis failed to secure Kismaayo and Xamar for more than two freaking decades. Two contradicting ideas, don't you think? Dhinaca kale, you are confusing two things with one another. Using the Ethiopian example, you stated that the foreigners can't bring stability with the barrel of a gun. I want to correct you on that, Actually foreigners, AMISOM, actually did that. For the first time in 20 years, the capital is completely under a Somali government. Kudos to the foreigners. P.s. There is a general rule that goes like this, if one is opposing to an idea, one has to come up with a better one.

Jacphar I might have made bigger accusations than I intended to but I didn't see a better way to make my point come through these unknown waves. I want you to close your eyes and think about this for a minute. Jubbooyinka have been under Shabaab for a while now, their people are held as hostages and there isn't any sign of Shabaab leaving there anytime soon. Would you rather keep these people the way they are for decades or would you, if you could, use another power temporarily to kick them out. Kenya might have its own interest in this but the interest these people have is much much more. If Kenya decides not leave there after the Shabaab is kicked out, Somalis can easily fight against Kenya. Somalis are well-known for kicking foreigners out easily but Somalis fail to kick internal gumeysi, warlords and wadaads, out. I agree with NGONGE's conclusion. In summary, I have no love for foreigners, I have no love for Kenya BUT AT THE MOMENT and the CURRENT situation, this is the best option. Waxaad rabto haddaad weydo, waxaad awoodo ....

You seriously believe that I want Xamar stay the way it is? Shariif is an individual.

Jacpher;759864 wrote: Puntland fully supports Kenya's invasion -check Faroole stands by Kenya's invasion -check Abdiwali signed on Kenya's invasion -check Yet you say some Puntlanders oppose Kenya's military operation inside Somalia out of hatred and deep seated animosity for the Ghandi clan and Azania administration??? I don't get the logic. Sxb walk me through horta. How can you accuse anyone lacking patriotism and nationalism when in fact they say no to foreign invasion??? Faroole is on board, Puntland is on board, majority of that community are on board. I was talking about YOU, Jacphar. There are two kinds of people who are against the Kenyan incursion: a Shabaab supporter or a clanist. Wareyso Gabbal. Tell me why would anyone oppose this. I am not a fan of foreigners, don't like them.. I and many many Somalis support this one for a simple reason. We want Alshabaab out! Kenyans may have their own motives but the motive we have is bigger. We are using them and not the other way around. Sidaa u garo abti. Suldaan Ali Sonkor, The suldaan of multiple clans, supports this, Sh. Khaliif Guure supports this. Abdillahi Mohamed supports this. These people don't like the Kenyans, they have to now, temporarily. It is a matter of desperation. The community has shown its support both via demonstrations (Held in Islii, Garissa, and Dhoobley) and by the media. I have no doubt they will have shown their support from Badhaadhe to Kismayo but they are not free, they can't say anything. We need to understand what we would like to see happen from what we can now see happen. It is dream vs reality. Bringing the Kenyans is not a good thing, I admit it. It is the best we can come up with now to kickk the khawaarij out.

^Azania is already sitting down with the TFG. Remember the reason for this thread was to report that . Azania is also a friend of Puntland. Faroole fully supports it. So they will sit them.

NGONGE;759849 wrote: Zack, Che's position is clear warya. Like Richard Pryor in Brewster's Millions, he's telling us to vote for "NONE OF THE ABOVE". Wax fahan. :D ;D No kidding, NGONGE.

^So now you are wishing some kind of miracle to occur... and you are hoping that Messiah will come to save the country. Seriously, one needs to look at the current situation and make the best out of it, one can't just dream. P.s. I see you ignored my questions again, mar danbe ragga ha eedeyn since u have no position :D

Jacpher;759837 wrote: I don't know where you polled the community in question but I don't believe for a second a sane Somali thinks Odinga-Natenyahu operation will bring that illusive peace to the region. Give credit where it's due, despite AS murderous lifestyle, they kept the region relatively peaceful and people aren't getting killed/looted along clan lines. So yes the region has been the safest since its recent history. But we'll the judge of that if Kenya brings any peace to the region and/or receives a warm welcome from the clans in the region as you keep suggesting. I am well aware of the stance of the community I am speaking of. Unfortunately, You are against the Kenyan incursion for your clan interest, not for nationalistic reasons. Shariif Canbe opposed the Kenyan intervention because of Azania. The difference between you and him is one finally said it out loud while the other is still hiding behind nationalism.

Che -Guevara;759833 wrote: Zack-For clarification sake, between Ethiopians, Kenyans and AS, I will support AS any day. I will never choose foreigner over Somali specially for clan benefit. And that is fine, people have opinions. My simple questions to you are: Who do you support now? How do you think the country can get of this chaos? I understand you: oppose everything on earth, what do you support? Talo raac diiddaye talo keen! I have been asking you these simple questions for a while now and you seem to dodge them. I like how you always criticize the bad guys, who are the good guys? Suggestions?

NGONGE;759824 wrote: Zack, I am with you today but when the Ethiopians come back I fear I will not be able to back you up. Well, not unless you support their invasion as long as they defeat Al Shabab. Or, which is slightly ugly but is a way out, you declare your support for Azania as an openly clannish reason. Markaas hala gaadho, we can take positions markaa based on the situation. On another note, I don't support Azania for clan against another clan reasons. I support Azania over Shabaab, damiin ha noqon duqa. It doesn't qualify for qabyaalad. Midda kale, I still dont understand what kind of solution Che is looking for Somalia. He is now against Shabaab, he is against the TFG, he is against Kenya, he is against Azania, he is against Puntland, he is against Somaliland, The man thinks he is a member of the SYL and that the year is 1955 LOL.

Che, you are making yourself look like a fool. Wait a minute, the silent Shabaab supporter is already a fool LOL. If you can't see the difference between the below two's, maybe NGONGE can help you see them. 1. Shabaab VS ICU 2. Current Kenyan Incursion VS Ethiopia's Invasion in '06 3. The entire Somali people's opposition to the Xabashi's invasion VS The Somali support for the Kenyan Incursion (Except few that are against it for their own interest + you, a confused nationalist).

Che, Wadar iyo waaxid yaa waalan? Waaxid soo ma aha? waa ku kaas. Waxaa kugu qufulan foreigners waa la nacaa lol. There are times people need to think outside of the box. Jacphar, I want Al-shabaab out of Jubbooyinka and out of Somalia. I am fine with using Kenyans to do the job. The funny thing is the majority of that community agree with me.

CHe Adigu you oppose everything that is reality today. In six months, the Azania community shall be free. Mark my words. LOL@apologizing to Duke. That nigga is a traitor waryaa, we are for freedom, need a prove? Let me know.

^It's not a departure from the norm, it is same old same old. Remember he is condemning the Somalis, Iley and co. He didn't condemn Ethiopia

N.O.R.F;759671 wrote: is that some sort of reverse prediction Zack? Lol no, he owes them too much. Waa inuu ka qaleeyaa. On a serious note, he needs to score multiple goals on his former team, that is the only way he can get his form back. He lost it with them.

Torres should not score.

Hehe no wonder illeen shabaab(che) initiated this thread. I should've expected this qarxis.

Showqi;759610 wrote: Ibti is coming back Strong. I wonder why Zack................. No qarxis showqiyoow

Qandalawi;759599 wrote: ^What's so hard or important in meeting Sheikh hotel, even if it did not happen, he has humiliatingly accepted and blessed the ongoing project in the Jubba, and that's all that matters to Gandi and the supporters of Azania I guess. True daat!

I have just voted after the privacy of the voters has been respected.

Abtigiis;759564 wrote: This is premature celebration and The mighty ZACK knows it. We all know the Shariif is like a wet soap, and evolves fast. It depends who sees him last and if those oppossed to Azania have breakfast with him this morning, you may hear a different tone this evening. Having said that he will be reckless not to welcomea regional state that is willing to bolster the TFG. What other alternative does he have in the Jubbas? Alshabab? warlords who doesn't obey him? He should be sensible. But I fear this Ghandi character. I think the man is power-hungry and potentially a trouble-maker. Azania led by people who see the bigger picture of national reconstruction could be an asset. The Ghandi Azania is a cause for concern. I know k know. I am actually not celebrating at all. Midda kale Shariifka went to Sudan yesterday, armuu al bashiir dhahaa disregard all the agreements you have signed the day before :D

Gaacuur;759559 wrote: :D:D Heshiiskaas ma Jinni ayaa marqaati ka ahaa! from where you get this news, jubbalandnews.com:D bring anything else other than this. Bring also : Location, Date, any Picture.. I really don't give a ******* if you believe this or not, I haven't posted this for you, how about you go there and find a news you like for yourself. Lol. How do we know kulahaa.

Don't be naive, sir, and compare oranges with apples. Would Palestinian accepts peace-keeping forces from Israel? Would they accept them from Turkey? See the difference? By this time we should all agree that we need foreign force to get the stability back, we also should know where the foreign forces should be from. All sane Somalis (except that are dreaming) are for the Kenyan intervention.

Che -Guevara;759545 wrote: ^We should welcome them Zack :-) HELL NO! Are you nuts?