So Jachpharow, let's talk about this in details,. Whether you say "it's been created by Kenya" or "it's helping Kenya", you are clearly against the creation of Azania. Let's go head to head on this discussion, shall we? Could you kindly tell the readers the motives of your disapproval? Are you saying that these regions or heck even clans have no right to get together to take care of their state? Are you saying it is a wrong move as it would create new chaos in Somalia? if so, how so? Honestly I am quite lost on why u took the stance u did take. Obviously, you support Puntland and admire it, I don't see the difference here. More importantly, the troops of Azania are fighting against (actually already kicked them out of one majory town, Dhoobley) the shabaab that you so much hate and would love to see them leave the Somali Peninsula. What is upsetting the good Jacphar, fill us in ninyahow. My take is hate your Puntland, if you are going to hate Azania because it is made by clans. Disapprove Puntland FIRST, if you are going to disapprove Azania because it has relations with a foreign country. This applies to all those who have posted multiple posts in SOL to tell us they are against the good Azania. The new TFG supporters ( The H fellas who think they own the country just because their uncle is currently the president LOL) also should be the last people to condemn the state for holding its conference in Kenya and for having the blessings of Kenya, the UN, AMISOM and every other qashin out there. That is how the TFG has been created, dammit! Plus, the constitution also known as AXDI QARAMEEDKA KMG ah states "Three states (GOBOLO) have the right to have a MAAMUL GOBOLEED" so from legal standpoints, I am not sure what the fuss is about.

Bashiir;701452 wrote: LOOOOOL@Meles YeWerd! Yewerd ka makiinaa?

The key word was "reasonable".

Kenya should support ‘buffer zone’ in Somalia Wednesday, April 06, 2011 ,Nairobi Plans for the formation of another semi-autonomous region in the anarchic Somalia is an idea whose time has come. The country, which has been without a stable government since the ouster of dictator Siad Barre in 1991, continues to pose several challenges to Kenya and the Horn of Africa. Talks in Nairobi this week, which brought together elders, religious leaders and activists from Lower Juba, Middle Juba and Gedi regions to consolidate ideas, have come at the right time. The extremist terror group Al Shabaab controls most of central and southern Somalia and most parts of the capital city, Mogadishu, and unless the citizens of Somalia get fed up with the state of insecurity wrought upon them by the militia group and other rag-tag armies controlled by warlords, they will not free themselves from the iron grip of anarchy. They should draw a leaf from the Arab nations that have stood up against and felled authoritarian regimes, reminding those in power that power belongs to the people. Al Shabaab militia have been a constant source of insecurity along the border with Kenya and beyond as witnessed last year during the bomb attack on innocent people in Uganda. Residents of Liboi town have lived in fear for the last few weeks as battles between forces loyal to the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and Al Shabaab fighters spilled over into Kenya’s territory. Somalia needs homegrown solutions to their challenges. The weak TFG has failed to achieve the desired results because it is viewed as a stooge of the international community and has spent most of its time quarrelling in Nairobi and other capital cities. Most Somalis are still suspicious of a central government because of the historical injustices they suffered under the Barre regime, which concentrated all power and resources in Mogadishu and starved the regions. The semi-autonomous regions of Puntland and Somaliland stand as beacons of hope for peace in war-weary Somalia. The leaders in those regions took control of their affairs early in the conflict and have managed to maintain peace and stability in the enclaves. There is hope that if these models are replicated throughout the country, then Somalia would enjoy peace, setting the stage for the formation of a central government with devolved power to the regions. Some people have argued that Kenya should completely keep off the affairs of the war-torn country so as not to risk being drawn into its internal conflicts and be safe from the wrath of Al Shabaab. Some have said Kenya should remain neutral in the conflict. They are right but only to some extent. Yes, it would be foolhardy for Kenya to send in soldiers to engage Al Shabaab fighters. Kenya has for long played the role of mediator in the conflict and would not like to be seen to be siding with any group. However, Kenya has had to bear the brunt of the spillover of continued fighting in Somalia and it is high time it moves to safeguard its interests. Most of the people fleeing the fighting cross over to Kenya for refuge. Then there is the proliferation of small arms, human trafficking and insecurity. The insecurity in Somalia has provided a breeding ground for piracy that has greatly pushed up the cost of doing business in East Africa in general and Kenya in particular. Kenya must support initiatives that promise to bring hope and peace in Somalia because it is in its best interest. Those initiatives must be those that offer win-win deals for Kenya and Somalia. The talks for the southern semi-autonomous regions is a good example. The hard part, however, will begin after the talks are over and efforts to dislodge Al Shabaab militia get under way. The rag-tag army will obviously not give up without a fight. Kenya would need to beef up security and carry out patrols along the border. Previous assurances by Government on security along the border have not been backed up by putting boots on the ground. If they fail to do that, they would be exposing Kenyans to danger. Source: Standard

Since no puntlander holds a reasonable post in the current TFG, duke has been demoted to be a cheerleader for the "former dugsi quraan" teacher (as he used to call him) that he used to despise so much : D

Lol@gheele, ma tidhi? The TFG should let the elections be held is all I am saying bro, I am not against them otherwise. Mahiga is one crazy dude but I don't think the TFG is in a position to refuse taking his orders like you said.

Nuunka, oh yeah? Have the AMISOM troops leave xamar for one day and if shariif doesn't run back to Libya and farmaajo doesn't fly back to buffalo, New York, then what you said is correct.

gheele thee paycheck stopped lol.

Taleexi;709249 wrote: Zack-ow malaa stu-pid baan ahay anigu waa ku qoslay LOOOL maya sxb, different people see humor in different ways.

Aaliyyah;709244 wrote: taasi waa dhab in qofkasta u baahanyahay in uu magaloyinkiisa u madax banaanado suu dhaqaalo magaloyinkiisa u gaar ah u helo suu iskoolu jamacado cafimaad iyo wixi dadkisa u bahnyahay uu sameesto...marka ka dibna somalinimo ha la isku yimaado oo hala moodobo!.. dnt we have provinces in Canada and states in the USA...same story!...degaan ma u baahna in uu degaan kale wax ka sugo! .. salaam I totally agree with what you said, that is why I don't find this cartoon funny at all. Amin Amir failed to make us laugh this time. Try again sxb, I know you can do better than that.

SLers ayagaa wax qaniini haddana ayaga umbaa calaacali oo dacwoon. Maxkamad kasta adduunka wey taagan yahiin LOL.

Oohintii Yaxaaska ee Soomaalida. Oohinta yaxaaska ee somaalida: waa qormo aan maanta ku lafo guri doono sida dadka soomaalida ah u yihiin ; * 1.Dad waxa ay ku kacayaan aan ogeyn, wakhti yar kadibna iska dhiga sida dad aan waxba sameynin. 2. Sida soomaalida u tahay dad aan kuu garaabaynin mar walbana raba in xaqaaga intay boobaan hadana iska dhigi walaal xabiib ah. 3. Dad intay dalka, diinta iyo dadkaba gataan hadana iska dhigi inay wadani yihiin, ama diin jecel yihiin. * Waxaa intaas iga keenay waxay soomaali oo dhan markhaati u ahayd in dadka jubooyinka looga soo duulay dhamaan gobalada kale ee soomaaliyeed, qof soomaali ah oo yiri war maxaa dadka soomaaliga ah sidan loogu galayaa ma ay jirin. * Waxaa dadka jubooyinka la burburiyay hantidoodii, waxaa la faraxumeeyay gabdhahoodii, waxaa cudud loogu faanay iyada oo hub laga soo qaadanayay itoobiya laguna xasuuqayay. * Waxaa dadka jubooyinka soo maray in laysu soo kaashaday oo marba magac lagu xasuuqay, iyada oo qofna xeerin soomaalinimo, islaamnimo, wadanimo. * Dadka jubooyinka waxaa labaday in dalkoodii ay ka qaxaan markii calooshood u shaqaystayaal ka soo hayaamay galgaduud iyo degaano kale ay si walba xaqoodii ugu xadgudbeen. * Waxaa dhacday sheekh xasan turki markuu islaamnimo darteed xitaa ugu aaminay maamulkii kismaayo in la khiyaamo oo aan waxba la xeerin. * Waxaa dhacday in axmed sheekh maxamed islaam lagu xad gudbay isaga oo leh war kitaabka iyo sunada aan ku kala baxnana waa gaal intii layiri weerar lagu qaaday. * Waxaa laboobay oo dil sharci daro ah iyo xadgudub aan la qiyaasi karin lagula kacay beesha ****** iyada oo xataa kuwii shabaabka ahaa la faquuqay lagana dhigay kuwo aan degaankooda waxba ka ahayn ama xarakada dhexdeeda markii lagu dan gaaray. Maanta markii halyayga qaranka soomaaliyeed prof. gaandi ilaahay usoo diray si dadka soomaaliyeed guud ahaan gaar ahaana gedo iyo jubooyinka u samatabixiyo, waxaan maqalaa; Oohin aad moodo tii yaxaaska oo kale, wadankeena ayaa la qabsan, keenya ayaa naloo soo watay, diinta aan difaacano, soomaaliya waa lala wareegi? i.w.m. Talo: Waxaan soomaali meel ay joogtaba kula talinayaa in ayna isku dayin in ay ka horyimaadaan prof. maxamed cabdi gaandi oo ah nin lagu yaqaano wadaninimo iyo cadaalad fal, sida soomaali oo dhan ay indhahooda ku aragtay ee nayroobi shirkii maamulka lagu dhisay ama ciidankii ka horeeyay ee uu gacanta ku hayay. XGQJ. S.ali Codka jubbaland www.jubbalanddf.net

Bashiir;709216 wrote: Some times silence is gold, ... ;D I agree. The cousins, Xidg and Xalane, are with their other cousin Gaandhi.

Very bright future for the beloved Jubba's, the most beautiful region in Somalia.

^Jerusalam magaaalo la yidhaahdo muslimiintu malaha, magaca yuhuudda u bixisay haddaad ugu yeedhay yuhuudda baad la rabtaa baan ka fahmay. Muslimku Quddus buu yaqaanaa magaalada. Anyways, topic kusoo noqo yaa khaltaan.

Xaaji Xunjuf;709005 wrote: ^^ war been ha iga sheegin israiil madow maan sheegan laakin Ethnic gaara inanu nahay muran kama jiro:D Israel waad sheegatay hadda ka hor, hadda xitaa adoo Ingiriiska jooga baad "Jerusalam" ku qoratay as your hometown LOL.. Avatar-kaaga hoostiisa eeg. Waxaan ku weydiiyay qofkii kasoo jeeda Baydhabo ee Berbera ku dhashaa sidii Cali Dhuux ma ethnic badalmayaa isagana?

LOL@Che, Xaajiga maku wareertay, war ninkan waa margi marba dhinac buu u leexdaa. Mar waxuu ku odhan Israel mad madow baan nahay marna waxuu ku odhan ethnic cusub baan nahay, haddana waxuu keenay dhulooska iney isaga isku ethnic yahiin Somalida kalana ay nooc kale tahay. I really feel bad for the children that are being born and schooled at where Xaaji is from. Beentaas baa lagu korin LOL.

War nimanku fulaysanaa.. wey sii carareen aa?

This article clearly addresses the naysayers. Prof. Gaandi muxuu galabsaday? Shir ka dhacay Limuru, Kenya oo Prof. Maxamed Cabdi Gaandi loogu caleemosaaray madaxwaha maamulgoboleedka la magac baxay Azania ayaa la kulmay macaarado xoogan. Markiiba waxaa afka furtay oo dhaleecayn, canbaarayn iyo inay ka soo horjeedaan is daba dhigay laamaha ay ka koobantahay DKMG. Ra,iisal Wasaare Farmaajo ayaa shir degdeg ah isugu yeedhay qaar kamid ah wasiiradiisa dabadeed waxay cod dheer ku dheheen maamulka Gaandi waxba kama jiro. Waxaajiray wasiiro si gooni gooni ah u dhaleeceeyay shirka halka qaarkood ayba aflagaado ugu sii dareen. Mudanayaasha Baarlamaanka DKMG ayaa dhankooda ayagoo raxan raxan isu haysta ku dhawaaqay inay ka soo horjeedaan maamul goboleedka cusub ee Azania. Odayaal dhaqameed badan oo maanta isugu yimid Xamar ayaa sidoo kale codkooda ku biiriyay ayagoo leh maamulka Gaandi samaystay waxba kama jiraan, raalina kama nihin. Maamulgooleedka Azania ee Prof. Gaandi madaxwaynaha ka yahay ma aha maamulgoboleedkii ugu horeeyay ee dalka lagaga dhawaaqo. Waxaa horay u jiray oo kan ka horeeyay; Puntland, Galmudug State, Waax iyo Waadi, Ximan iyo Xeeb, Hiiraan Land, Dooxada Shabeele, Dooxa State, Mid Land, Udub Land, South West Sate, Central State, Mareeg Land, Green Land, SSC, Jubba Land State, Jubba & Raaso State, Jubba Sate, Banaadir Land iyo kuwa kale oo dhexda ku soo jira. Guud ahaan qarankii Soomaaliyeed, marka lagu daro Somaliland oo ayadu ku dhawaaqday gooni isu taag, maamul goboleedka cusub ee Azania wuxuu noqonayaa maamulkii 20aad ee lagu dhawaaqo, waana ka ugu danbeeyay ee ugu da,da yar. Hadaba sow wax is waydiin mudan ma ahan in maamulkii ugu danbeeyay inuu yeesho mucaaradada ugu badan, sow cajiib ma ahan in maamul kani uu noqdo maamulkii ugu horeeyay ee laamaha DKMG ay halmar ku dhawaaqaan inay ka soo horjeedaan ayadoo ay horay u jirtay inay qaar kamid ah maamuladii ka horeeyay ay xataa dhaqaale ugu deeqeen, kuna casuumeen xarunta madaxtooyada ee Villa Somaliya. "Hashu maan kayga gaddayee ma masaarbay liqday", Siday wax u jiraan? Maxaa maamulka goboleedka Gaandi ku duugan oo dadka ka wada dhawaajiyay? Ma aqoonta ama cilmiga iyo waayo aragnimada uu leeyahay baa? Oo hadii ay taas tahay, waxaa jira maamul goboleedyo ka horeeyay oo rag mutacalimiin ah ay madax ka yihiine, maxaa loo waayay cid mucaaradda! Mise, DKMG waxay ka cabsan maadaama ayada lagu dhisay Kenya, looguna yeedho dawladda Imbegethi in tanna noqoto mid ayada liqda maadaama ayadana Kenya lagu dhisay, dawladda Kenyana raali ka tahay. Oo haday sidaasi tahay maxaa Oday dhaqameedka Xamar fadhiyana ka dhawaajiyay ileen ayago DKMG ma ahee? Siday wax u jiraan? Qaar kamid ah xubnaha DKMG ee dhaliilay barnaamijka Gaandi, waxay ku sheegeen inuu yahay barnaamij qabiil, hadana aan loo baahnayn qabiil ee loo baahanyahay qaranimo. Oo haday sidaas tahay DKMG ayaaba ku dhisan Qabiil, sow sidaas ma ahan? Siday hadaba wax u jiraan? Mise, meelaha uu sheeganayo maamulka Gaandi waxaa kamid ah Kismaayo oo ah magaalo Soomaali oo dhan beerqaaday? Oo haday sidaas tahay waxaa ka horeeyay maamullo badan oo waliba sheegtay inay ayadu caasimad u tahay ee maxaa loo mucaaradi waayay? Hadiise Gaandi oo Kismaayo ka soo qaaday magaalo caadi ah uu ku andacoon lahaa in sadexda gobol ee maamul kiisu sheegtay ayna ku jirin Kismaayo, markaas mucaaraddadu ma ka hadhi lahayd? Aleeylehe waa maya? Hadaba siday wax u jiraan? Maxaa meesha ku duugan oo dadka ka wada dhawaajiyay? KismaayoNews ma oga sababta dadka kaga wada dhawaajisay ee afkooda looga maqlay Gaandi...Gaandi....Gaandi, waxaanse u daynaynaa taxliilinta, turxaan bixinta, lafa gurka iyo helidda jawaabta saxda ah akhristayaasha sharafta leh iyo bahwaynta Soomaaliyeed. KismaayoNews waxay ogtahay oo kaliya in maamulka Azania ee Prof. Gaandi uu noqday maamul goboleedkii ugu horeeyay ee mucaaradaad xoog badan kala kulma DKMG laamaheeda kala duwan iyo odayada dhaqanka ee Xamar. Gunaanadkii, waxaan idin waydiinaynaa, muxuu Prof. Gaandi galabsaday? KismaayoNews.com

Che -Guevara;708922 wrote: ^Qabiil iska sheeg wax ethnic Somali- lander majireey and crossing borders to vote is electoral fraud. :D saalax is somehow lost today or is it everyday that he is lost. Ethnic kulahaa, so what does that ethnic look like? Yellowish grey?

Abokor Omar;707990 wrote: The SL community in the UK is very active in putting pressure on MP's to support SL and it's representatives. We the next generation should inshallah take the dream to the finishing line and bring to an end what our fathers started. There is no such thing as SL community in the UK as far as the UK is concerned, there is Somali community naga kala yaree bahasha.

Nassir, this project has been going on for a long time, the locals are behind it. More than 40 meetings were held before the decision of creating the state has been reached. Even though it won't be based on a clan system(gaandhi has been opposing the 4.5 formula for a very long time), all the clans in that region will be represented including the normally non-represented small clans. As matter of fact, gaandhi's clan are upset as they have been given very small number out of the 65 parliament. I suggest that you listen to listen to gaandhi's detailed interview on the BBC's website, it will give u good idea of where this is going.

The fact that you didn't protest against the creation of hiiraanland as you did against Azania, the fact that you didn't go to multiple sites to search for articles that were opposing that established state says it all. But again Hiiraan ain't Azania so I should know better and shouldn't have asked you your motives. It is crystal clear. Good night to you too.

This is what you said when hiiraandland was created http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/35264-Welcome-to-HiiraanLand Somalina;523569 wrote: It is about time! Just tell us why u r against Azania again.

^ha ha true