Mr. Cadale it appears that you are sad about the removal of Tarzan from the Governor of Banaadir for tribal reason and for that you area advocating for same old tired unworkable arguments that were presented in here by every tribal oriented person that that posted something here. Now, I have a question directed at all of the Somali persons that blog on here. when you sit back and think about what kind of nation do you think you should have, and is it workable for the society in which you want to develop in that nation? How do you see it can happen after all things that has happened in the former republic of Somalia? be honest to yourself, think and know that each and every Somali feels he or she is a victim and no one takes responsibility for their actions. You must want everything you want for your tribe for the other tribes as well or admit it's can't happened tell us why with sincere argument. Know that people and smart and will see through your writings when you lie. Peace! PS. I have to give a credit to an elderly very smart, wise guy who posed the same question that I have asked here years back and say to him thank you. Can't tell you who he was because you wouldn't know him but here reads here and he know who I am and I want him to know how much I appreciate his lightning question that wake me up, and from that day on I have decided to remove all emotions that I have had for the situation in Somali issues but kept the passion after all Somalia was my country and Somalis were my people. I have come to recognize emotions can seriously cloud your judgements at times and loose focus. Thank you all!

Xaaji Xunjuf;986273 wrote: About 43 percent of kenyan territory is somali why should they not be kenyans. They are kenyans like any other ethnic but the problem is having rights and full ownership of their land future. Kenyan somalis should fight for their rights and take what belongs to them. Kenyan is their nationality no one can take it from them but it was the former governments that mistreated them HHHHMMMM, Let me get this straight they should be killed, discrimited, harrased, denied citizenship, dihumanized and etc. , by a government and a country that was forced on them by another country and still they should fight for the right to stay and be part of that countryand say they are Kenyan??? Did I miss anything Mr. Xunjuf?

The same might apply to you what would a NW Somalis and reer hawd know about south, but yet you are all here to comment of what is going on in Mogadishu every single conversation regarding about the politics in the south or who said, what they are had for dinner lunch or even farted and how it smelled like. Most of southerners believe me when I say this will be glad to see you leave the union and never come back, they even will be willing to give you some money to take with you the rest here including your terrorist inc. and remove them permanently from their soil. They gave up on you when your hyena said the boy from Addis is closer to us than the one from Mogadishu, that day majority of the southerners said enough carrying the Somali burden. They have cared, fed, welcomed into their homes and towns every Somali from every corner of the Somali lands, they bled, starved defending it and were repaid back with hatred,contempt, robbery and terrorism. Thank you all but enough is enough. He who wants to stay out and get out of the union please do so respectfully, we will never ever gonna fight for it again. This union was experiment and it failed miserably and the south paid the heavies price for that adventure, but we never cried screamed or accused anyone else even though it was brought to us by the same ones claiming victims now. Know this Mr. Hawd the south is never gonna fight for the union between the N, W, E or any where else. PS. You are from Hawd, the last time I checked Hawd was part of Ethiopia and you are not part of SL and the union started to break up while we were trying to liberate you, and instead of trying to calm things down you are fueling it not even knowing the difference between the ones whom oppose the break up who mostly come from E & W SL, PL and central Somalia (those one will always do that because they have claim and stake in SL and have every right to do so just like you from hawd are doing it right now,) and the south which includes Mogadishu whom will not be impacted if the union breaks up. So, Mr. Hawd weather you succeed or not in your endeavor the south including Mogadishu will always wish you the best, peace and prosperity. To school you a little our interest lies further south, central and west those regions that border ours, and even them we are ready to negotiate for a divorce if they ask . So, don't worry, calm down and lay off the insults we are not after you, just make sure that you're able defend yourself when your brother from Addis decide to come for his cake to eat. PEACE!

Mr. Cubano I have been reading your comments in this site for a while now and your bragging about the defeat the Cuban, Ethiopian and Soviet Unions inflicted in Somalia in 1977-78 war, but if I were like you I would keep a silence on that winning. Reason is that you forgot Somalia was a 16 yrs old nation with a population of less than 4 million at that time with GDP of a few hundred millions of dollars in dept with military force less than 150000, with an educated class of a few thousand at best and vast majority living in poverty, with no major industry to speak of. In a lame term Somalia was like a poor, sick, uninformed, raped, robed,mistreated, abused and angry 16 year old boy who cried for justice and when he did not received one decided to take the matter onto his own hand with out thinking of the consequences of his actions and lashed out of the adult man who done him wrong and won, but just because the man brought in his other adult brothers who were even more stronger than plus their friends and beat that young boy does not make or show an honorable and respectable Victory to speak of, it indicates the barbarian world in which we live in where the adults molest children and later brag about it. It actually show the young man was brave, but ******, but that was expected from him after all young boys will make mistakes far bigger than that. Therefore It's not a victory for you to speak of it is a shameful history to hide from it. After all Somalia Faced the might of Soviet industrial machine , the contempt and arms blockade of the west, the Cuban, Ethiopian, Yemenis superior numerical and military force, the financial backing of the Libyan, Iraqis and etc. The Kenyan threat of joining the war and not to mention the Israeli PR machine. So tell me what chance would a 16 year old country in the situation Somalia was in 1977-78 and facing what it did, would it have coming out that war victoriously. Somalia lost the war before it even begin, but it just did not know it, it had to learn it the hard way. It faced monstrous nations with bigger populations that can it swallow it several time over, bigger economy than hers, more industrialized than her and bigger and better friends globally. If I ware in your shoes I wouldn't brag I would be ashamed of my country's action in that saga and would rather apologize for such an action. And believe me though Cuba was bigger than Somalia at the time and more industrialized, better equipped than Somalia I believe you were lucky because you were not a neighbor of Somalia because you would also have tested what the Ethiopian have tasted and wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Somalia might have been alone in the war but it showed the world what it was capable of with little it had and that is why even today Somalia with it's near death the world is still worried about what damage it could do to it's arch enemies, and that is why they are being helped even now with everything they need in order to finish her off once in for all. Therefore, Somalis will never feel bad or sorry about the lost of that war because they did not loose to Ethiopia or Cuba as some misguided person like you would like to think of, but they face the majority of the worlds powerful nations directly and indirectly and are still making people like you still having to struggle and shout out louder to make others listen and believe their dishonorable victory, when in reality the honorable nations and people in this world know it was Somalia that displayed honor and bravery. Who would know about Cuba if it was not a few hundred miles from US shores? It is a laughing matter Where is Cuba today? Good or bad people still are having conversation about Somalia and it shows it's valid country weak or not. I guess you want to make your country valued by attaching it's name to Somalia's name. Poor Somalia is tired of carrying too many other baggage's near by it does not need another from far fetch forgotten, once has been island nation, now begging to enter the international stage after it's has been dumped by it's old master. even your last know famous leader is out of the picture. And if you are really interested....NEVER MIND....

Unfortunately, Somalis love a foreigner that kills them and torture them . They will do whatever it takes to please him/her and will call them all kinds of affection names, but let another Somali take an ounce of grain from them and they will seek the devil to exact retribution from the said Somali. Case in point the same gentlemen who are calling themselves Kenyan but are being held in such contempt and is being brutalized by the Government of Kenyan will die defending the actions of Kenyan Government inside Somalia. All Somalis are like that from Djibouti to NFD. They have no loyalty and kinds to their own and that is why they will never gonna be treated better by others. Why Would anyone treat them differently if they are treating each other with such a cruelty? Do they deserve it? I for one don't know a good answer to that. Does Anyone else have one? And please folks don't tells us they are human beings when they don't behave like one. A dog will kill another dog when his master set him of to it, even if that master will not treat him well. Today's Somalis the dogs have better treatment than them. PEACE!

Hawdian;985603 wrote: @ reer Banadir just answer the question saaxeeb, , Who are the bosses you are talking talking about. I only recognize al Malik ul Malik. Al Rahmaanu Raheeem. as our Illah. REALLY???? LOL I am not gonna debate with a person in denial it is a loosing one. PEACE. I am just gonna direct you to one area who pays the salary of the leaders in Somalia???? if you can answer that truthfully then you are on the right track

That Is why I said still stuck on the 3rd cycle

Gheelle.T;985597 wrote: ^Do you mind telling us who these "bosses" you speak off are, Mr.genius? YOU ARE BOSS Mr. Intelligent and I Am not ready to continue this conversation on here understand?

It's funny how ignorant and ****** are the Somali people can be. They think they have a government of their choosing, leaders that they have chosen to represent. They think each time there is a crisis at weather it's between the federal leaders or regional, or regional anf federal leaders that they have a control over or know who is at fault. People wake up and see the big writings on the wall (oops) I forgot you can't read. YOU ARE NOT IN CONTROL. The men at helms aren't your representatives. They are paid by others and are he to facilitate their needs. These men are appointed governors and clerics doing their jobs. They are disposable when their usefulness runs out not by you but those that put them in place and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. So stop speculating of who is at fault or who forgot the rules, constitutions or etc. Some of them after a while may forget about their role and act as if they were representing someone else and will say won't relinquish my post when they are asked to do so, but the reality will hit them when the hammer is brought down on them and they will be humiliated. Those that are smart (crooks) will think of one thing fill up you pockets fast and get out of this dead (mentally) country before you get killed. So, for the zillions time get it through your thick skulls Hasan Sheikh can't hire or fire anyone nor can Shirdoon refuse when asked to step down nor can the useless an elected parliament do anything about the orchestrated crises, it's up to their bosses. Each one of the has been handed a road map to follow, role to play as cast of actors, and a projector to fulfill. When that is done or not done to the bosses satisfaction they are discarded like yesterday's garbage. This scenario applies to each president governor or regional/town head. You are nation whose people have been utterly defeated and are being picked to their bones. The only sad part of this whole sale genocide is it's victim don't even know it it's happening and are like a flock of sheep being led to the slaughter house. So people please stop this nonsense arguments about who is right and who is wrong it does not matter any more. This so called president was told to get rid of his prime minister and he will have no choice but to do, The PM may have forgotten who brought him here but rest a sure he will be reminded humiliatingly just like the one before him, When something terrible happens to a person/people or a nation's psychic they go through six stages: shock, Anger, denial, grief, acceptance and last but not least moving forward. In Somali case they have gone through the first two, but are stuck on the third stage Denial for 19 years. FOR GOD'S SAKE GET A GRIP PEOPLE THIS IS MADNESS. PEACE!

Really? Clan is not a problem? WAW! There it is. If Clan is not a problem Somalia's nascent democracy would not have been replaced by military dictatorship. if Clan is not a problem the head of the state of that junta would not divide the country into 18 region so that he can give his clans more territory and his government would not have come to be known with the MOD government. It would not have committed such an abuse of power to the point where the country disintegrated into hell hole. It would not have been replaced by a mop rule and Mogadishu would not have suffered the worst ethnic cleansing, robbery and massacre in it's 2000 year history. Southern Somalia wouldn't have suffered it's worst man made famine in history. Kismayo would not be fought over and over repeatedly and enemies of Somalia wouldn't have occupied through out southern Somalia and they would not rule indirectly the rest. Puntland would not cause so much headache for all of Somalia and they wouldn't have said it us or no peace. the same goes for those from the central region of Somalia. Somali-land would not secede and claim to be a country full of fake history and lies. Djibouti would not be a separate country, Uganda and mercenaries wouldn't rule the capital of Somalia, Western Somalia wouldn't be called O-gaden and some it's sons would try to invade their brother homeland and claim to be their while forgetting their old adversaries, the same goes for those from NFD. Today the words like "Land" "HAG" etc and letters like "P" would not be part of our vocabulary and alphabets. Lets be honest we wouldn't be discussing about federal system if it was not for clan worshiping. Let's face it Somalis their gods are their clans, their prophets are their clan leaders and their mujaheddin are their ******** with the guns,, and their masses are the rest in line. After all that the worst came and are those fake religious messiah's that turned the religion of Islam into terror religion so that the few that were left amongst jahil masses can either leave or die, that way the country can be taken over by the devil himself and rule it. Those that deny any of that are either munafiqiin or in a dream. If you are in a dream wake up and wake up soon. If you are a munaafaq, repent and repent soon or one you will die and stand in front of your creator, and there will be a judgement. Ask yourself what do you think is going to happen to you? To conclude this message is for all those divisions, foreign order and protection, and fake religiosity aka Shabaab, Salafis, Alqaeda, Wahabis, Ahlu Suna, and etc.

If You are a Somali and reasonable you ought to know that. If this is a sincere question somalia is devided into 4: 1) North from Sool & Sanaag to Awdal, 2) From Bari to Galgaduud, 3) The Old Banaadir along the coast, 4) The regions that surround the two rivers.between all the 4 areas there's an overlaps wich to be expected due to their proximaty along their borders. does that answer your question, I hope so. On the other hand, If the intentionbehind your question was to start another endless clan debate, I am sorry and shall excuse myself ahead and leave it to those that love to engage such a useless and baseless debate on this site, you'll be sattisfied immensly.

Carafaat;946464 wrote: Banaadir, you are a sensible man. this idea could actually work, Somalia consisting of 4 major diver strong region with political, cultural and economic linkages. these regions would have significant populations and would even make it easier to govern, as the role of clan and clannism would be reduced signifactly in the politics and governance of those regions. I agree with you Somalia does onsist of 4 regional area that have people that share cultural, economic and political idea, and that is why if we are going to emprace whole heartedly we need to group those regions that way in order for them to function properly and make sure that their bring more unity that divission amongst all the citizens of the nation. We have a big, rich and blessed country that can guarantee our safety and survival, the only thing we lack is good leaders with longterm vissions, under educated public without pattiance and greedy and corrupt elite. So god help us until we find two of those three.

Carafaat;946452 wrote: Aboow Banaadir, this is quite a good idea. But the whole idea of Somali 'federalism' is not to create divers strong regions with economic and political linkages but to create 'clan' states in order to boost the ego and confidence of certain lots. How do you mitigate those underlying reactionary waves? Well the clan ego will be redused in three stages first one is the diversity of the state that will be achieved by following my firsuggestion and secondly the Fed. Gov. will have to insist on funding states and counties that incorage diversity , second stages in education of younger generation with the history of the damages clanism had caused our nation, what our religion says about the evils that come with clanism or tribalism once achieved that turn their mind to science and technology and making sure once graduate from schools there are jobs available for them that keeps them off of this shamefull pass time of tribal influence and third and last down the road once the governament is strong enough use the boots on the groung and bring in diverent clans into counties or areas that adap to the change and settle them there and invest all of the people in that area so that those that were brought there don't feel isolated and the ones over there don't feel their land was stolen. I know it will take years, hard work, commitment by the majority of the citizens, but the end result will be better for the nation and it's people. That is how the USA did to the southern states when they resisted integration, that is how europe is doing by settling imigrants to it's cities. So, if those countries can do with diffrent ethnic, colors and religions, why can't we do it in a country with same people ethnic and religion, unless we don't want to and if that is the case we shouldn't be call ourselfs somali ratther we should call our selfs by our clans and separate into miniture countries and accept our fait if we get annexed by those who wants to annex our territory. Fair? Other ideas are welcomed if it saves the country if not we are doomed because this clan states aren't going to work at all if we insist of going through this curent Fed. System that incorage clanism. PS. We also need a new constitution that comes from our religions in it's true form not the one these days the fanatics use to defile it's name and message. our parlament should also be seated or elected by supirior numbers what I mean by that states that have the more population should havethe most MP seats that also might force some xenaphopic states to encorage imigration and settlements to their states and the benefits that it brings along from the federal governament.

Those of you advocating federal states in somalia and those that are oppose to it I have an idea where both of you gain something and lose at the same time. How about if we go back to the regions somalia was composed of when it gained independence.They were six in the south and two in the north, from there we demand that two regions can form a state that way it reduces the idea of a single clan dominating a state and forcing integrations among clans, and the sharing of the resources of that state by all. If you don't remember the regions that existed at the time of independence the southern was were MJtenia (Bari and nugaal), Mudug ( Mudug and Galgaduud), Hiiraan, Banaadir( Banaadir, middle and lower shabeele), upper (gedo, Bay and bakool) and lower (lower and middle jubas) Jubas. The northern regions were two Hargeisa wich was NW and Burao. We can say that Mudug and Bari should be made one and called NE, Hiiraan and Banaadir made one or Hiiraan and upper Juba that wiil be called SW, Banaadir and Lower Juba that will be called SE and the north should be called NW joining those two regions that gives somalia four big states with diverce clans and the federal government can demand that in order for states to get more fund they shoul encorage diversity in clans and equility among it citizens with in the state.

Odey;907544 wrote: War hedhe ma aadan oran sidaas, laakin Ilaahey ka baqa oo Ummadda uu celiya hantidooda! LOL waxay ila tahay dadku qoraalada iyagoon si fiican u akhrin bay ka jawaabaan. aniga in qoyskeena ayaa guryo aan leenahay xamar dhexdeeda lagu haystaa oo aan wali dacwad kula jirnaa. Qof qoyskeena and reerkayga ka mid ah oo guri aysan laheyn haysta majirto. Waxa ka dhacay xamar in uu qlad yahay lama diidana. Doodaydu waxay tahay war hadey wax kaa maqan yihiin oo aad cadeymo u haysato doono, waan ogahay inay dhiibaatooyin badan jiraan laakiin xaqqu ma daahsamo mana la *****li karo. war raggaan waxaan ku iri xataa haddaadan heysan warqado dhib ma jiro waxaaga waxaad ku helay saa haddi aad haysato dad kuu yaqaanay oo ilaah ka baqaya oo doonaya inay dhaar ku maraan inaad laheyd dhulkaa, markaa maxkamadda way kuu xukumi. Anigaa l igu yiri markaan dadkii gurigeyga daganaa aan u tagay dhaheen waar xoog baanu ku heysanaa oo keen waxaad isku hayso. Marka sideen u aqbali karaa dad sideydoo kale ah waxooda xaqdarro halu qaato. waxaan diidanahay dad iyagoon waxba doonan kana warqabin xaqiiqda dhabta ah meesha dood iyo kutiti ku teen la soo taagan oo umadda maxaasad dhex dhigaya. Iska hadalka ayaan ka soo horjeeda beenta miidhan baan ka soo horjeeda. Markhaati baan ka ahaa dad aan u dhalan qabiila xamar aageeda dega oo guryahoodii loo soo celieye markey cadeymahoodii la yimaadeen, waan ogahay kuwo kalena in xaqdarro loodilay, ilaahay waxaan uga rajeynayaa in dowlad daacad ah oo u aarta in ay noo dhalato. Marka kuwani leh umadda u celiya hantidoodii miyaaloodiiday wax celin? anigu waxaan aaminsanahay inay taa ka roontahay horta waxii bal u dacwoo ee arag waxa laguu diiday iyo waxa kale dadkana ha isku wada qaadin ee munaafaqiin meel halooga soo wada jeesto oo halaga kiciyo xaaraan ay heystaan. ooyan aheyn buuqa iyo dacayada dadka la iska dul saarayo joojiya waayo sidaas wanaag ku dhalan maayo munaafaqiintuna way ku faa'iidi oo xaraantii bey sii haysananyaa, waxa dadka sideydoo kale ah ka maqanna way ku lumi oo waanala dhici. qof dadka isku dirayana aniga iyo kuwa ila midka asxaan uma hayo.