Originally posted by Aaliyah416: I seen this video, and as a somali person I must admit it made me feel proud. who cares if he is the right one or not? maanto dhan maxa waxa lugu jira kara criticism. It is time somalis gave a chance to someone and get their shit together. salaam For bloody hells sake I just wish all Somalis would say the same thing. They sing 'tageera weligiiney' but dont know the meaning of it.

I love him...G-D Bless you Sheikh Sharif and may we be victorious against the terrorists!

The title of this thread does not live up to the content...or rather what I hoped to see. :rolleyes:

LOL @ Aaliyah...I dont think its a problem with polygyny, more so to with the old adage "If you give an inch, someone will take a mile", Im sure there is one for the metric system too. She gave her all to a man who wasnt worthy, of course he feels like he can take the mick. I would never pay a mans way for him, look after his kids, allow him to get away with not paying the bills...she was looking for trouble, but the only reason she is not screaming for a divorce is because she wants a return on her investment, someone should tell her that some ventures were ill thought out from the get go...and should be dropped ASAP to stop further hemorrhaging.

"Mtukufu Rais hii watu naitwa shifta habana silamu, Hawa ni Christian. Wewe kwisha ona watu islamu nabita ndani ya qaaburini hata abana soma qulwallahu?. hii watu abana silamu." hahaha thats a good one Reminds me of a white guy ordering a drink at a restaurant in Arusha...badala ya kusema 'ningepena glassi moja ya mvinyo nyekundu or glassi moja ya red wine' Alisema "naomba glassi ya mkundu tafadhali" ( I would like a glass of rectum please)

PS - I believe the term third world is meant as tongue in cheek...maybe a comedy event isnt right for you

Ibti - Found out that the mailing list isnt ours, but of the comedian's instead. Emailed the guys now, but I wouldnt bet on it, I hope you can still make it though...will try to add you guys when they come still. Sayid...You are right on one or two, but unfortunately I dont fill all the criteria. Unfortunately my friends are athiests who dont like sharing...will have a scour around for you.

LOL @ Ari boowe..bal come ama dont come...but dont BATTER the messenger Complicated...the chairs are secured to the ground like those in fast food chains...we anticipate for people to bring their own stocks fruit for throwing. This is a civilised event dont you know!

Dont batter the messenger aboowe, its just the title the comedians and their entourage came up with.

A spectacular Comedy Night: Prince Abdi, Ola and Nabil Abdul Rashed- Third World Comedy Friday, 5 March. 2010-02-03 Time 7pm-10pm Oxford House, Derby Shire Street, E2 6GH Kayd Somali Arts and Culture is inviting you to hilarious comedy night ‘Third World Comedy’. This night our performers include Prince Abdi who is the only British -Somali comedian in the UK comedy circuit, as seen on comedy central. Prince Abdi has a lovely style in his delivery 'pacy, upbeat and infectious – you will love him. Also there will be entertainment from Ola, finalist of stand up hero as seen on ITV and Nabil Abdulrashid the talented and alternative comedian from northern Nigeria Via Croydon. Come and enjoy this TOP night of comedy. Tickets: £10 (pay on the door) £8 guest list. (name will be on the door) for guest list email: infothirdworldcomedy@googlemail.com For more information email: ayan_mahamoud@kayd.org

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by Maxaatiri: Her mistake was going to a 'traditional' sheikh, a real sheikh would have offered some sort of counselling for her and would have reminded the man about the rights of women in Islam, in particular that of treating co-wives equally. Who needs a "traditional" sheikh when you can get the real McCoy to tell you how to behave as a "co-wife": back o' the line, b!tch. LOL. No comprendo, kuma fahmin :confused:

We're all going to hell at this rate. Her mistake was going to a 'traditional' sheikh, a real sheikh would have offered some sort of counselling for her and would have reminded the man about the rights of women in Islam, in particular that of treating co-wives equally. What a load of rubbish his advice was! P-S - The kids have a dad, and islamically it is HIS duty to support those kids, malahaa thats how he 'kidnapped' them in the first place. Where is the Sheikhs advice to the man about looking after his bloody kids?

^^Talk about shutting the stable doors after the horse has bolted. Will be watching closely me lady

Adam..I agree with you on the colonial border issue, I have never endorsed them, and support the struggle to gain freedom for Somali Galbeed and NFD. Somalis are being mistreated the world over, not just in South Africa, I myself have experienced immense xenophobia in Kenya and Tanzania. However, I fail to see why I cannot support development and justice for all of Africa. At the end of the day, the reason why the South Africans in the townships are attacking not just Somalis, but other migrants of African descent, is precisely because of the unfair economic position which apartheid placed South African Blacks in. The two issues are not mutually exclusive, in fact they are intrinsically linked. On the slavery issue...It was an atrocity committed by my country, and I am eating the fruits of slave labour every day that goes by. It is my issue, and I would like to see justice done for my brothers and sisters of African descent who are the products of arguably the single greatest act of genocide and exploitation to have ever happened. The effects of it are still visible in my community today, so yes, its definitely my issue. Love the rhetorical question

Today I had a great day indoctrinating myself.

Walaal Duke, with respect, can you please drop the patronising tone, it makes it very difficult to address you respectfully. Im not concerned with ideology, at the end of the day what led to the cold war wasnt ideology alone, it was power, and power is what we are discussing today. China may hold great power, and a lot of the US's debts, but that doesnt change the fact that Africa has less power than China. We have less bargaining power, therefore unless we tackle the lack of leadership in Africa and all the structural problems that creates, we will continue to get a raw deal. Business is never altruistic or a dreamland, all Im talking about is the unfair power balance alongside our weaker position economically...even if our bargaining position is that much higher because of the fight for our rescources and China's new power. Yes...we have new markets, we have new economic partners, and yes they may be better for us in the long run. The specific action which needs to be taken in Africa is tacking the brain drain and the arrested development of our education systems, steps have been taken towards this, but it would be insane to assume they are enough. So far Africa has very little in the way of original technological advances which it can sell to the rest of the world. If we continue as providers to richer nations, without building our own economies on innovation and creation rather than providing raw materials, we will continue to be further behind in the global markets. You mention the high growth rates of a couple of countries and Im assuming you mention this as as some sort of development. Growth which is lacking in the creation of better infrastructure especially that of education and healthcare is not development. We have to wait and see how the situation turns out in a few years, but for now we have to focus on encouraging better governmental institutions, transparency, leadership and much more. I for one do not endorse the idea that Africa is a land barren of achievements, however, I do believe that we cannot be complacent just because we have made these developments. The ANC have made the first of many steps, they did not envisage that having black men in power was the be all and end all to gaining freedom. There have been steps taken by the SA governments to give more economic freedom in the form of shares to Black South Africans, but its still not comparable yet to those of the minority whites. In terms of education, housing etc there is still a lot of disparity between the two, therefore there needs to be more done. Again, Im not against recognising the achievements so far, but its futile denying that there is a lot more to be done. You mention rapid development, development shouldnt have to be rapid, but its should be sustainable and open to further growth in a number of areas, rather than following the lead the oil rich nations you mentioned, we should be focused on using these resources as a mere base to build our economies on. Without well lead strategic mission towards peacekeeping, addressing inequality and targeted education campaigns...all that oil wealth will mean diddly squat and can and will be squandered away.

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G Duke, nothing you said was difficult to understand,but dont you feel some de je vu? Wasnt that what African leaders wanted from the Cold war? How disastrous that was. And I regret that my post insinuated that Afrikaners arent African, I wouldnt want them repatriated to Europe or anything of the sort...but having a black faces in power when so much of the finances are in white hands is a tad unfair. I dont want to drag anyone back to the days they fought hard to come out of, but let us not be short sighted. All I am saying is that more action needs to be taken, not that there is a lack of it before and now...we just need more. Nassir - It has always been a dream of mine to live in Botswana, now that is a remarkable country.

Somalis and their segis opseshun.

Faarax Brown - Dhallo weyn oo raadiyaha camal u guuxdo ayaan ka dhex arkey.

Walaal I have to disagree. That is a cop out and you know it, I have heard dozens of people say that in order to control their level of despair. Not that you are guilty of that, but the truth is that action is what is needed, not hope for things to work themselves out. You speak of an Africa with a high level of autonomy, that isnt reality, it is a well known fact that many of the offices of power in Africa are held by corrupt puppets who profit to lesser degree from stripping Africa of its assets as the neocolonialists do. Why would that suddenly change because the exploiters speak a different language? Africa has the rescources but no effective leadership, and thanks to SAPs and PRSPs, the education and health system is virtually non existant, if China becomes the world power, who is to say they will change these structural policies which suit exploitation so well? And the World Cup is held in SA...not exactly the best example. South Africa is a settler colony, they have to decolonise effectively and it will take many years before they are equal to the minority whites in terms of land ownership, business ownership, educational opportunities etc, let alone gain their freedom.

Like the quote..pity people forget that slavery happened to living breathing people, seems to me some people have swallowed the old 'African savages' label and couldnt care less about the past. Africa will never become powerful until this very generation wills it to. Currently we see the entire world taking what it can and has no reason to feel shameful because the West have sucessfully managed to make talking about these issues taboo to further their own agendas. From Europe, to N.America, to Australia, to the Far East, to the Emirates; Africa is being systematically robbed and set back thousands more years. There is no time for waiting for Africa to recover, it will continue to regress and be depleted of its populations (via hunger, expatriation, disease and land grabbing etc). that is unless this generation change this. I hate sounding like an armchair revolutionary, but this is our job, whether in Somalia (best to start on home ground) or in the diaspora.

Originally posted by Khayr: quote:Im disgusted, sickened and angered (Im not using hyperbole loosely here)that they are allowed to be so bloody selective in their morality. It is selective because they the victors and history is written from the prespective of the victors. Colonialism still exists albeit not the same blatant extent as in the past. Its just that the conquered have accepted it as a normality. On the contrary, many Africans are unhappy with colonialism, and there is an awful lot written on the subject from other viewpoints. Many people, particularly those relatively better off in the West want change. The real problem is getting those truths to Africa, and how we go about educating the youth, starting from scratch...that a significant portion of the reason they are poor and cant go to school, or live in shanty towns, or dont have a great father figure (read Willy Lynch) is because of Slavery and or Colonisation.

Ibti - I Somehow highly doubt that, maybe youre just an introvert...and introverts (as long as they are the extroverted introverts) in my opinion make the best writers. Malaika...I thought Ali Kiba was only here to perform in Club Afrique?! Do you know where he will be next?

How can you separate the two? How can you deal with something whilst ignoring/sidelining its cause?