Nas and Junior Gong 'Patience' with a wicked sample from Amadou and Miriam's Sabali. Patience by Nas and Damian Marley

Acuudubilleeyso yarow, you sound nuts.

Same discussions, different topic titles.

It doesnt have to make sense the other way around, thats not my point. My point was that the process in which we enter and leave this world is one of the constant depletion of life, regardless of what you gain, it is all lost again (but for the sins/ajar). I just find that a fascinating process. Not only are we dying a little bit every second of our lives, but eventually we could lose all of the things we have learnt whilst alive (dementia). In that situation you have lost your past and are so far into your future that you are near the end destination before the completely new/different life begins. In the West we are supposed to hope for a long life, in Islam we hope for the next life. In both however, we are still obsessed with death as something of an end, not a new beginning. Death is not simply a new beginning because we do not get a second chance. I see your point with the soul not dying, but I see my soul as a part of me, and not my entirety as I am now. What dies is the me of right now, what is resurrected is a combination of my eternal self and the self I am now having gained the experience of life and death. I guess the point I'm finding hard to make is that after death we only have the consequences of our actions when we were alive to deal with. We do not get to 'live' in the way we see 'living' on earth. So in life, we are slowly dying and when we die we are 'dead' but 'alive' in a different way because we no longer have the chance of redemption in the same way. We no longer have the chance to make a new consequence, its been done, there is no retake, for all the pain or happiness we feel, it is merely a consequence of what we have done while we were among the living.

Yes, I was reading this for uni and it genuinely made me think. I agree with you that for Muslims we should both fear and look forward to death in equal measures, I mean its only another representation of our relationship with Allah no? The only thing we are fearing and hoping for is his wrath and His Mercy. But I always feel that every day I am, granted, closer to death, but I am also closer to where I am supposed to be, that life is a cruel joke at times. Yes we get tested and that is the point of life,yacni to pass the test and move on...but the process rather than the purpose is what intrigues me most. That we are born to eventually die, that living is actually dying slowly, regardless of anyone's belief, this remains true.

This is the belief of influential Swahili author Euphrase Kezilahabi. Would you agree? Translation: The truth is that we human beings are dying slowly. Many people think that death comes unexpectedly. This is not true. Since a human is born he/she begins to die slowly even if he/she considers him/herself being well. His/her days are being cut off one by one. The grave is just our last step. Kazimoto (the protagonist), while we are living we are dying slowly, therefore to die is to live. Ukweli ni kwamba sisi wanadamu tunakufa pole pole. Watu wengi wanafikiri kwamba kifo kinakuja mara moja. Hili ni jambo la uwongo. Tangu mwanadamu anapozaliwa anaanza kufa pole pole ingawa yeye anajiona yu sawa. Siku zake zinakatwa moja moja. Kaburi ni hatua yetu ya mwisho tu. Kazimoto, tunapoishi tunakufa pole pole, kwa hiyo kufa ni kuishi. (Kichwamaji (water head)206) Anyone who knows of Gilgamesh will remember this: Oh Gilgamesh! Why dost thou run in all directions?! The life thou seeketh though shalt never find When the Gods created man the gave him death Life they kept in their own hands Fill thy belly night and day rejoice make every day a festival! Is the fact that life is short a comfort to you? Does death frighten you or do you see it as your final destination and nothing more. A place to neither embrace nor fear?

Rudy there are not lying. I know Eritreans, Zanibaris, Lamunians, Sudanese etc all get through claiming to be Somali. Its really sad because they are taking up the place (in quotas) of real refugess. They come to places like the UK and America, work and go back to their homelands for holidays with the other passports and identities, what a mockery.

Brother Nur, JZK, that was really helpful bro. So when the Prophet scw says 'we', he meant the prophets and not the Muslims. Thanks a lot walaal.

The Swahili of Sijui's disgusts me no end. How badly must a language be raped, before it is considered something else altogether?

...when one of the Prophet’s male grandchildren wanted to eat a date that had been given to him to be distributed as alms. The Prophet immediately took it from him and stated, "Anything given as alms is forbidden to us." Can someone explain this please? In the Islamic context, that is. What are the regulations on who is meant to take alms (as Muslims we are instructed to give to charity, so someone has to take it), and what is the context of this Hadith? e.g the time and what was happening if that is important. I am by no means advocating for the benefits system, just a question on the hadith the sister used.

LOL @ 'shocking news'. It is neither shocking, nor is it news. This has been happening since the beginning of Shabaab 'rule' in Somalia. In fact there is no group innocent of the crime of hiring pre pubescent boys to fight their wars for them. Nothing new here, move along.

I love his voice, makes me cry listening to this everytime and i can recite off by heart now lol Freedom, success and self governance to the people of ******/Soomaali Galbeed.

Ahlu Sunnah also say 'Allahu Akbar'. They are dad Muslimiin ah. Love the story regardless, very despairing and funny at the same time.

There are countless members of the Royal family in Saudia, if some behave in an unislamic fashion, that doesnt mean they all do. It would have been much better if they allowed women to drive and work wherever they please and generally give them their human rights before 'liberating' them in this fashion.

Why are these wars, real or propaganda, always played out on the bodies of women?

As long as the convo is silent and no visble muttering is visible waa OK. Also, the topic of discussion has to be a relatively sane one, not about Jinn and baleeyo. I talk to myself on the regular, waa iska caadi.

Originally posted by Karl_Polanyi: Cara, Khat was first used as a mechanism by poor Somali men during the tryannical xalimocracy of Queen Carawello.I Blame women for the khat problem. Ileen nimanka Soomaaliyeedna maanta waxeey barteen 'victim mentality'. Dont blame Araweelo for everything, Araweelo only sells the qaad, Cali is the one buying it.

Originally posted by Maaddeey: ^Xaggeed ka keentay Nabigaa (CSW) dhiig-caado dhaqi jiray? I remember reading that in a hadith a couple of years back, one of the Mothers of the Believers stained the sheets and when she became embarrassed about it, he washed it to show that there was nothing unclean about touching it. Have I misrepresented that? If so, please correct me and thanks for highlighting it if thats the case.

OZ - Pajazito ni nini? Ni 'heavy thigh' au siyo? I know Wabongo like their big thighs Jacayl Baro - all you know waa 'kuma' aa? Aqas caleyk lol. Moto means fire or hot. So the full meaning waa 'hot kuma' I have a Sijui friend who told me that when she went to her non Sijui family and they answered the phone by saying 'waa kuma'...she would reply 'maye, waa mboro'

My logic is fine sweetheart, I intended for there to be a hint of sarcasm in my post. Who 'enjoys' single parenthood? The child is usually more or less abandoned by one parent, usually the father. That is where the 'unwanted' part comes in. A 'good marriage' is exactly what people (like the man in the article) do not want. If they wanted a good marriage, they would take their time choosing a partner, and then take the effort maintaining that marriage. They do not, they marry and divorce like its nothing. So if you are not preparing for marriage properly, and from what I gather from some people, are taking it so lightly that these mariages are doomed to fail...they might as well adopt a child or two and save us all the blah blah blah.

I wonder how many variations of this same joke there are. The one I'd heard was a visit to the school...from the (real) University of Kumamoto in Kumamoto Japan.and the guy on the Telecom apparently couldnt bring himself to say the names out loud. This one is far too elaborate to be real, but very funny nonetheless. I love the name 'Kunyamavi Kayashika'

This article has a good point, there should be more scrutiny when it comes to late term abortions. However they retract any sense from their argument when they write it like an anti-abortion piece. Abortion is the right of any woman, and sadly only religious fanatics and men seem to be anti-choice. I personally hope would not do it (although if I was raped I would seriously consider it), but that is besides the point. I have met women who have had unwanted pregnancies, in countries where abortion is illegal and face the worst of circumstances as a consequence. Abortion is not fun, and few women rejoice at the idea. It is not a decision taken lightly by most sane women either. I think the best solution would be to monitor abortions, and monitor the women better too. - Through medical examination, justify whether the abortion is safe (i.e that it is not a fully grown child) - Urge women to use contraception more efficiently and not rely on condoms - Use the morning after pill - Offer more help to women in abusive partnerships where the partner refuses to use a condom and the woman is afraid to object, afraid to leave and afraid of having his child - Recognise that abortion should only be used as a last resort, and NOT a form of contraception itself. - Educate teenagers on the perils of abortion and the consequences of unprotected sex in a less 'schooley' fashion. - Do not turn abortion into a religious/moral debate, it helps no-one and leaves those women with even fewer people to turn to.

Originally posted by deleted: Takes the "All Inclusive Holiday" to another level. This is common everywhere, from Goa to Gambia via Jamaica. I was unfortunate to have met a few older women (in their 60's) with teenage/20 something 'boyfriends'. From what I've seen its not much different to the older white man and young African woman scenario. However, Ive heard more cases of embezzlement when its a young man and an older woman. There is something tragic about a woman past reproductive age having to buy love and submission from someone who is relatively a child in comparison.

The urine became reabsorbed did it? Yes, and I'm Guru Nanak. So I guess he doesnt sweat either, and the weightloss was also a 'miracle' was it? And what kind of sick doctors would stand by and watch his organs fail? If I'm not mistaken, there are laws against allowing clearly mentally ill persons from dying for mere entertainment and curiosity's sake. There is no way this is humanly possible, they will learn nothing for their troops and whatever else they claim to want to use to justify this sick medical trial for. He should be force fed by the 2'nd day of observation if they are sick enough to monitor this.