Romantic is: - Puts down his favourite (and quite expensive)Jacket on a puddle so I won't wet my high heels (nevermind that I could sidestep or jump over the puddle). -Cooks me meals while I watch Oprah. Serves me. Finds pleasure in the act. -Trusts me completely and hands over his paychecks. Everymonth. Without question. -Would DIE for me without hesitation. Over the silliest thing. -Allows me to win fights to save face. Doesnt matter whether I'm right or wrong.

^Are you talking about what a person is currently doing or their past?

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^Because there would be vidoe camera's and pictures would be taken...and God knows who will watch them. You know somali's trade wedding vidoes even if they have no clue who the bride & groom are. Hibo, the gabasar is perfect, truly lovely, whats wrong with wearing it? I had the same dilema a while back...my mother made this dirac with long sleeves :eek: & it wasn't see through...sparkly & colourful...but in the end...honestly it looked great. Then I used the gabasar as the head covering.

First of all, wlcm back BOB! Missed your stories terribly. *Sounds like an awesome night*

Goodness me. Now for a little lesson. Just because he did not penetrate does not mean that he did not--pinch, touch, squeeze, grab & fondle. If the allegations are true---he is seen throwing the victim to the ground in order to rape her. So he could be charged with ---attempted rape, sexual harassment, and assualt. Scums like that deserve nothing but contempt. Ngonge-- one flew over the cuckoo's nest, eh? :rolleyes: As someone who prides himself on not being emotional...your coming across as a tad bit irrational.

I despise that term: Housewife. Then some numshucks thought to be politically correct and call it ---> Homemaker. Ohhhhh, as if!

Dang, underdog, those were in my younger days. When I was young, stup!d and in love. *sigh*. How I have grown. Kale *pulls up sleeves* Now lets dig up the dirt on you precious. Disclaimer: The names of the said victims will be edited to protect their privacy & save them from further embarassment and trauma. Kaleio: Precious this one is ----. You have defended the sister by pointing out her lack of understanding and sensitvity towards others suffering...specially ones hailing from her claimed-country of origin. Classy! NGONGE, the only think you managed to achieve is lightly(when we all know ur a hefty man) dance around the subject and pretend to be a light fairy hovering over and guiding us. :rolleyes: I love this one! Hehehe. Mutakalim, although you can be condescending and patronizing almost all the times, I think you're the most edited Nomad on the site - from Islamic, Women to the Poetry section, I've seen your posts disappear faster than my pay checks and thats a bleeding shame. If the verbal vomit of some the others can be given a place in internet pages, yours should be too I shant dignify your incessant weeping with further comments. Zephrine: It's awfully clear that you don't have the first idea about what you are attempting to discuss. You're not only blind, but you also seem to be irrational. In any case, I do believe this is proving to be too taxing for you. Perhaps you should retire and play with you hijabed barbie dolls. Dawoco: I really hate it when people hide behind little things to justify their actions. Some times it is better to be honest about your feelings instead of hiding behind pseudo self righteousness. I suggest you drop this facade of a goodwill ambassador for the people, and say what you have come here to say. Just get it off your chest for ones and for all and let us be done with it. I, for one am quite bored with your little act of the indignant maiden. I can’t help but feel sorry for you. Your pathetic, aimless arguments combined with your hardly veiled insults say more about you and your attitude than anything I could have done P.S. Zeph, sorry to burst your bubble but I've edited some of my really nasty ones. Orders of therapist. Sue me

Awesome writing. Great read. Disagreed with the conclusion. :cool: *two thumbs up for effort*

Hibo, I think it would be much easier & less time consuming if you look around your area for a suitable person, ask around family (they have really good connections), and propose to the guy. What's the worst that can happen? Get rejected, be devastated & humiliated, slip into a depression, contemplate suicide---then move on. If you wait around for a farax to ask you---you would be an old woman--or as the old folks like to put it bluntly---"expired". Another point to help the xalimo's and faraax looking to settle down & build their nests---for each year you increase in age...take out your qualifications for the 'perfect spouse' and cross out a point. You have to balance reality with dreams/fantasy, or else you will be disasppointed---majorly. P.S. I hope this is not another one of your 'get rich quick scams'.

T.V. used to be my darling baby. Then I discovered the net & developed a new relationship. And now I'm bored of both. I'm addicted to video games----mario & some car chases or something (have 8 yr old bro). I guess there will always be something to replace the previous addiction. Take the Quiz Ms/Mr. Nomad Average@Internet-User.com (41% - 60%) You seem to have a healthy balance in your life when it comes to the internet and life away from the computer. You know enough to do what you want online without looking like an ***** (most of the time). You even have your own Yahoo club or online journal! But you enjoy seeing your friends and going out to enjoy life away from your computer. Hmm some truth to it. Percentage is too high---and I have no online journal--but the blogging craze might just get to me---if I'm not too lazy.

No. I would rather like to know how much money he makes. :rolleyes: Heerkaan aa lagaarey miyaa? Walee warkale aan sugeeynaa.

^LOL. Saw that cream on Oprah. Looked delicous. P.S. Make sure the old ladies are no where near when presenting the gifts. Don't want them to faint out of shock & horror. Underdog- thats a lovely suggestion.

VIVA SOMAALIYAA!!!!!!

^ *Yawn*. I tried hard but failed to grasp the usefulness of your post to my little dellima. It is clear though that medicore minds thrive on nasty thoughts. Listen Missy, your little virgin gasp and acts of self-righteous hypocricy are frankly boring me. Either help me and make a suggestion or get lost. Ok? :rolleyes: P.S. Do you wanna know what's really gross huh? Why don't you visit one of your earlier threads and stop this charade of innocence. It isn't working Missy. I'm not impressed to say the least. Smilez... Abaa I really was thinking of that. Thnx!

Thanks for your suggestions walaalyaal. I shall look into them.

Salaam Ya'll. A friend (Muslim Indian) who I havent talked with or seen in 5 years since high school, called me up to invite me to her wedding this coming Saturday. The problem is that I don't know what to get her. When my somali friend's weddings came up....me and a couple of other friends chipped some money together to buy her sets of lingerie. But somehow, I think it would be akward in this situation. So please give me some ideas. Male & Female input appreciated. P.S. What should the appropriate price range be? Out ------------> :cool:

"When we stay silent in the face of injustices, non Muslims begin to wonder if we really care about our women as much as we claim to", says American convert to Islam, Saraji Umm Zaid. A lot of attention has been focused on the issue of Muslim women and human rights since September 11, almost all of it by non Muslims. Once again, images of women swathed in black veils or blue burqas are de rigeur, as the media soberly reminds us that Muslim women are not considered equals to men in Islam, and that they are oppressed even by the moderate regimes in the Muslim world. From the Muslims, we have one of two reactions. The first is the reaction of the "liberal, reformist, secular" Muslims. They believe that Shari'a oppresses women, and that we need to completely overhaul it, or toss out sections of the Qur'an that are "uncomfortable," or institute secular forms of government that separate the sacred from the legal all together. These are the same Muslims who equate hijab with oppression, and who support the denial of free speech rights to "Islamists" (all the while, crying for their rights to free speech in countries where it is denied). They take their political thought not from Islamic sources, but from feminism, socialism, and capitalism. Naturally, it is to these Muslims that the Western media turns when it wants a "Muslim" perspective on "Muslim issues." On the other side, we have the organizers of the mainstream conservative Muslims, the leaders of our civic societies, advocacy groups, and associations. When presented with instances of women's oppression in the Islamic world, these Muslims, almost always men, respond defensively. They cart out examples of women's oppression in the Western world, or worse, they address the issue by lecturing the questioner about the virtues of the Ideal Place of Women in Ideal Islam. In other words, they treat the ideal that we are all aspire to as the reality on the ground. Pressed into taking a stand on real life issues, they retreat in anger. "That's culture, not Islam, it has nothing to do with me as a Muslim," they sniff. Meanwhile, real Muslim women suffer at the hands of societies and governments who would harm them in the name of Islam. Who speaks for them? Most often, it is the United Nations, human rights groups, and feminist organizations, led by people who have no foundations of knowledge in Islam, and who often have a real antipathy for Islam. While the Feminist Majority Fund was selling swatches of "burqa" and petitioning the government for action on behalf of Afghan women, the leaders of our Islamic societies stayed silent. Publicly, many Islamic leaders and organizations disassociated themselves from the Taliban, but other than denying them entry into the Organization of Islamic Conferences (OIC), they took no action to petition the Taliban for change from an Islamic view, or form any sort of Islamic opposition. Perhaps this is because when any Islamic organization or individual Muslim attempts to change or speak out about injustices towards Muslim women, the rest of the community circles the wagons. These lone souls are labeled "radical feminists," and accused of attempting to undermine Islam. Strangely, when a Muslim woman's Islamic rights are violated, many organizations are eager to speak out and petition. For example, when Merve Kavacki was denied her seat in the Turkish Parliament because of her headscarf (and later stripped of her citizenship), Muslim groups were quick to condemn the Turkish government, as they should have. In many Western Muslim circles, Merve has been elevated to a symbol of the struggle muhajabat women face in secular societies. Yet there is a resounding silence when the issue being raised is Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), honor killings, forced marriages, the unequal application of hadd punishments on women, or the denial of education to girls and women. All of these wrongs are perpetrated on women in the name of Islam. While it is true that many of these violations occur across cultural and religious boundaries, the only action often taken by conservative Muslims is a condemnation of the action because it is "cultural" and not Islamic. Meanwhile, women continue to be murdered and little girls continue to be mutilated. This is not to say that conservative Muslims are always silent or keep their opposition at the vocal level. In Jordan, conservative Muslims joined with liberals to rally for stricter punishments for men who kill in the name of honor. In Africa, conservative sheikhs teamed up with women's rights advocates to educate people about the harms of Female Genital Mutilation. These people get very little mention in the Western media, which, of course, paints the "Islamists" as the opponents of an enlightened, secular minority of liberal Muslims. When questioned by co-workers and neighbors, the average run of the mill practicing Muslim is quick to condemn such practices, and lament that they occur at all. Yet these same average Muslims are loathe to petition governments, or join groups calling for active change. There is a sense that we don't want to speak too loudly about the horrific wrongs committed by our brothers and sisters in the name of Islam in front of non Muslims. While keeping to the principal of covering your brother's shame is admirable, the fact of the matter is that their wrongs have been exposed, in the international media's spotlight. And when we stay silent in the face of injustices, non Muslims begin to wonder if we really care about our women as much as we claim to. About a year ago, a small band of conservative Muslim women, almost all of us from the West, came up with the idea of starting a Muslim women's human rights group, to petition and advocate for the rights of Muslim women as they are given in the Shari'a of Islam. Although slow to start, we have managed to form a basis from which to work, and have taken up our first case. Right now, a Muslim woman in Nigeria is under a death sentence from the Shari'a court for the crime of adultery. The situation came to the attention of the authorities when the man who impregnated her decided to confess his crime to the police, rather than pay the child support that her father asked of him. There are many glaring errors in the case, from a classical, "Orthodox" fiqh point of view. These errors (which would aid the woman) are not coming from a "reformist reinterpretation" of Shari'a, these errors are so great that any of the qadis of the past would have thrown the case against her out. During a similar case in Nigeria last year, a Muslim lawyer, Asifa Quereshi, documented the legal errors committed by the Shari'a court in the name of Islam. She didn't use modern, secular legal sources, but instead based her arguments on the rulings of the scholars of the four Sunni madhabs. Sadly, her analysis got little, if any attention, from the Shari'a courts of Nigeria, and from the Muslim community as a whole. The response we have received so far, is somewhat encouraging, but it is also discouraging. For example, we have received little support thus far for a petition to the Nigerian government on behalf of this woman. One hesitates to send copies of the petition to masajid, since petitions or issues of women's rights are often shuffled under a paper pile or worse, dismissed with the lame excuse that raising such issues will cause anger and discomfort in the community. Meanwhile, the Muslim American establishment continues to enthusiastically promote voter registrations and petitions to the President against Israel's latest atrocities (and there's nothing wrong with that). Sisters and brothers, it is time to wake up to reality. While we often like to boast about the large size of our Ummah, the fact is that we are losing more hearts and minds everyday, due in large part to our silence about human rights abuses, especially those directed towards women. These people will continue to turn to the secular philosophies promoted by those who do take the time to speak out on their behalf: the feminists, socialists, and secularists. Prophet Mohammed, sallalahu aleyhi wa salaam, was mocked and assaulted because of his strong and courageous stance on the status of women. He came with a message that lifted women up and gave them dignity. Fourteen hundred years later, we have descended back into the dark pit of Jahiliya, and Muslim women around the world find themselves cast into the same slavery that the Prophet, sallalahu aleyhi wa salaam, was sent to liberate them from. It does not make you a "radical feminist" to decry honor killings and volunteer for peaceful campaigns to educate and change laws. Raising your voice against Female Genital Mutilation does not mean you want to "undermine Islam." To the contrary, working against these injustices in the way of Allah is a manifestation of the desire to uplift Islam and the Muslim people. When the Taliban decided to deny education to any girl over a certain age, it is the conservative Muslims, the ones who profess adherence to "Qur'an and Sunnah" that should have spoken the loudest against this. The longer we stay silent, the more people, both Muslim and non Muslim, will begin to equate "Shar'ia" with the oppression of women. We need to stop people who abuse the religion of God and His messenger, Mohammed, sallalahu aleyhi wa salaam. We need to oppose those who would brutalize women in the name of Qur'an and Sunnah. We need have jealousy for our religion, so that those who would abuse and misuse it realize that they will have no success and no headway under our vigilance. Link to Source

I love their generosity! With my non-somali friends when they say to me "lets go out to eat" or "lets watch a movie" I know that I better not forget my wallet and head out to the bank to get some extra cash. And even If I was to borrow two dollars...they expect it back...they wouldnt actually be so cheap as to remind me...but its sort of an unwritten rule everyone knows. But most of the time..when I'm with my somali friends or relatives...they insist on paying for me. Whether or not I have the money is of no importance. And many of them consider it an insult if I return borrowed money less than 10 dollars. Sooooooooooooooooooo sweet!!!!

Rahima walaal...discard the first paragraph...I was in a bad mood and was not directing that at anyone in particular. With the success comment...I meant that since each women's life experience, circumstances, and choices are different one woman's success could be regarded as another's failure and deprivatrion of her children and loss of her family.

I do not understand why people constantly link working women with being lesbian feminists or bitter old spinisters. In this country and in this time many women have no choice. And some families require the income of two to survive and/or meet their basic needs. So please stop splattering us with that BS. Now...in relating this article to us somali women, the issue i find is not in feminism...but in time management. Why do people continously limit themselves to only two choices? If you dedicated a number of years in earning your education---you shouldn't be worrying about having a career or family. I believe with a bit of thinking & comprimising with your partner you can have and manage both. Successfully? I wouldn't know. What about spacing your children? I mean seriously? You do not have to push out a kid every year...make use of the resources available. You can still work to your hearts content when your kids go off to gradeschool. They will not be deprived of anything...or work part time while you have your mother babysit your kid. Thats what extended family is for. I mean there are so many different options available if one really thinks about it.

I am not lying. All of you are pathetic. Acuudu Bilah..

Originally posted by Xoogsade: 1- Topics that reveal the insecurity of girls(WHO WANTS TO READ THAT CRAP ALL THE TIME?). 2- Men, Men, Men and about Men(this is troubling). 1. Apparently YOU like reading it...as seeing that you seem to be sticking your scrawly neck in our section time and time again to place silly comments such as the above. 2. Dont flatter yourself my brotha. Listen. Have you ever seen somehing to utterly disgusting & stomach churningly horrifying that you couldnt turn your eyes away to save your life? That is what we feel towards the sad species called men . They facinate us---it's completly mind boggling to us how they seem to get along life with 3 brain cells working at one time. Call it a scientific observation if you must. Nothing less, nothing more. :cool: