If Sool and Sanaag were 100% inhabited by clans that are hostile to Somaliland, we would be in a lot of $%^#. But this isnt so, only the sparsley populated Eastern Sanaag and Eastern Sool whick includes the large city of Las canood are reluctant to be Somalilanders. The rest is not yours at all. and since when did Cayn come into this equation. Buhoodle is an island in the Sea of Somaliland supporters thats all. Las canood will be liberated soon, and Eastern Sanaag will be left the way it is.

It is southerners and and especially people from the non dominant clan in Somaliland that are living in a fantasyland. They do not realise that the international community will ignore there wishes and rights and sell them out to Somaliland, as quickly and easily as they would sell out Somaliland if it was in their interests. Somaliland exists on the ground and it has some legitimacy in the eyes of the world. As long as we percevire we will be recognized, in the mean time we welcome any challenges that you may present.

F.Y.I UAE is number 2 on paper among the Gulf arab countries. 40,000 + troops.

Originally posted by HornAfrique: quote: This is politics and not religion What makes them seperate? :confused: Don't tell me you've bought into the Western concept seperation of church and state. If that's the case, then we might as well throw away our morals and sense of being. When i mention religion i mean the ferverant belief in the unity of Somalia as if it has been brought down from above. The state is a human invention it is not sacred when it ceases to provide for the safty and livelyhood of its people they have the right to leave the state.

we are always going around in circles, but you are the ones that wish to decieve yourselves. The unity of the state in this case Somalia is not a religion, it can be created like we did together in 1960 and it can be changed. I have to resort to the old argument of Austria/Germany and Egypt/Syria These come from the same ethnic groups but are seperate countries. besides you think that we need acknowledgement and recognition to exist. F.Y.I we exist physicaly on the ground and as long as there are Patriotic Somalilanders to defend their freedom then we will continue to exist. Recognotion or no recognition. I can see that Somalilands "non-existance" upsets you as you call it a warlord haven. It pains you that it is a State not a fiefdom of some warlord. This is politics and not religion .

Yes anarchy has freed our creative and entrepernural energies but you are forgeting the dilapidated condition of public goods, such as education and health care. Our prewar educational infrastructure were of a high quality and reached a far greater number of somalis. The private institiutions we have today do not reach serve those numbers. The challenge is to have a government small enough not to curtail free enterprise with its parasitic taxes but effective enough to limit the costs of anarchy.

It is difficult for you to fathom that it is not xarago's country we are talking about but yours.

A 20,000 man AU force to Disarm Moqadishus reported 60,000 man millitias. Man that sounds very optimistic doesnt it. and it seems that C/y is actually betting on this to work. :eek: :eek: you must understand my skepticism when the americans had their nose bloodied by one sub clan you expect thses poor ill equiped ,inexperienced and aids infested African troops to even register with the millitias in Moqdishu??

Typical Somaliweyne ideologue. Somaliland is a reality ,burying your head in the sand like an ostrich will not make it go away.

Man what do you have against Iran do you have a bone to pick with the shittes. spare us your zionist inspired bullshit and leave us with our clan intrigue and Somalia. I wouldnt give a damn if Iran went to space or something

Hey og girl this will help you out. http://kulmiye.com/news.asp?p=03010100 Although a great man i suspect he is too soft on Somaliweyn or silicweyne as some might call it.

Originally posted by NASSIR: I am glad to hear this news. I doubt that Burco has population over 400,000. Who actualized these bogus stats. The foreign affairs minister of China congratulated the new president. quote: "The Chinese government has been closely following Somalia's peace course, acted as coordinator in the United Nations Security Council on the Somalia issue, supported international community's mediating efforts, financed Somalia Peace Association within capacity, and actively provided humanitarian aid for the Somali people," Zhang said. Its funny how anti Somaliland Puntlanders always donwplay the population of its cities. But when they are spinning a story suddenly they quote its correct figure.

Mahamed nuur there is no need to make political milege out of this tragedy. We all would like to see them suffer fort his crime and inshallah they will. Its a shame that we have let this political accident take place (Riyale and his government). If you profess to be a native of what you call the North Western region then you should know very well that Riyale is not a warlord. and if you consider him a warlord then you should not ignore all the other clan millitias that greatly outnumber those at his diposal and also consider themselves Somalilanders. Somaliland is a tougher nut to crack than you think. Any way politics should not come into this may allah bring justice to those who did this, in this world and the next.

Puntland Post that great source of fibs. Interviewing some people in the streets and then claiming they represent all Burcawis is ****** . Burco is home to the clans that represent the Millitary muscle of Somaliland, if this article is true then Somaliland wont exist by mid 2005. But im sorry to dissapoint you that these sentiments are just inter Clan disputes and do not mean much. Burco is also home to the Most aggressive , warlike and extremist Somaliland Nationalist Lets wait and see how things unfold in the Future.

Rayale and his goons will suffer for this crime sooner or later.

Nugaali our nabi scw was much more than a millitary leader. The greatest commander in Islam was Khalid bin Waleed and his tactics and organization were copied by all the other muslim commaders. and Nationalist Rome has little to do with Somalia. If you like history i would advize you to look at Ghengiz Khan and how he united the Monghols and tartars. Mongol society before Ghangiz khan looked allot like Somalia, with evey clan and sub clan in conflict.

I actually like the idea time for unrestricted warfare he can get all the peace he wants and more eternal peace is what he will get.

LOL That the funniest thing i have ever heard. Self delusion to say the least. To think that we fought from 1980 to 1990 went through reconcilaiation and state biulding, all the suffering and struggle then we just roll over dead. your options for us are 1. give up 2. give up 3. give up Millitarily we are in a much better sitiuation than the 80's. Diplomatically we have a few punches left to through, it is not complete isolation. You are kidding yourself if you think this can be handled peacefully. The new president is not living in a fantasyland like you, he knows were we stand and we know were he stands. Long Live Somaliland.

I disagree you are the ones who are dreaming. Somaliland exists wether you like it or not. Its sad that you only understand force, and associate the Easter Sool, and Sanaag issue with Somaliland weakness. We managed to have peace over the years through negotiations and respect for clan borders. Just because we did not act like our southern brothers and engaged in destruction,looting, pillaging and rape, does not mean that we cannot do it. Inshallah we will not behave in this fashion in the future as well, we are more noble than that. Remember that we do have the largest and best equiped and expeirenced forces in the so called Somali Republic and this does not only include the 15000 on the government payroll and in barracks but all the clan millitias as well. Combined with geography ,extremely long supply lines for the other side and the fact that we will not face the SNA of the 80's but a rag tag millitia well within our capabilities. I suggest you do a google search on Somaliland Armed Forces. But do not worry there will not be war for the foreseeable future, we will just have an increase in the skirmishes along our borders thats all. In the mean time the International community will twist our arms to come to the negotiating table and make a deal. These turn of events are beneficial to Somaliland Long Live SomaliLand

This Election is good for Somaliland. Now we do not have to worry about upsetting the political balance in Somaliland or damaging the constituition. Cabdullahi yusuf's victory has greatly cheered up what you would call " Extremist Somalilanders" Thank you cabdullahi you have sparked the rise of the SNM again and the demise of poor Rayale and his treasonous government. The comming days will be very interesting. Long Live Somaliland

A man of vision. cant you see how intelligent he is He would make a good President of Somalia

Nayrus You are only regurgitating old ideas about society and economics. Small is best when it comes to economic development, the larger the country the more challenging development is. The same arguments were used against Eritrea saying that it is too small and needs Ethiopia to survive. Somaliland 3.5 million people are more than enough to sustain it, remeber that we are already larger in size and population than many AU and UN member countries. Yes the bond of Somalis is there in family ties, religion and culture, its not a valid argument for having a unified state. Look at the Arab states, infact look at the Gulf states which are as close to each other as somalis are. Look at the chinese, look at Taiwan. What matters only is a vibrant economy and internal peace and cohesion. Once you have this you also have a powerfull millitary force as a byproduct. What matters more than size of area and population is the quality ofthe people. Do you know that the Singapore defence forces can credibaly take on the Malaysian and expect to win in a full scale war. Even when the odds are 4 million to 20 million. The singapore navy is equal to its niegbours even when they have even greater mismatch in population.

Somaliweyen AKA Silicweyen is dead and buried. God bless Somaliland

Nayrus Your sentiments and beliefs would have merit and would be respected if this world isnt as it is today. Somalis are clanists and with the breakdown of the fragile somali state, clan politics is the defining political culture. You on the other hand are an idealistic , nationalist living in an imaginary fairytale land with cute and cuddly bunnys and everybody with love,hugs and kisses. Listen the rest of the Somali people consider us a small weak minority that seeks unwarrented status. They ignore that fact that we had a third of parlaimentry seats in 1960, compare that to the 44 seats of the Phantom northern clan today. They also conveniently forget the sacrifice of our sovrienty on the altar of Greater Somalia. You said that we Somalilanders should seek more power and influence in the south, but that we lack self confidence and ambition. We are just taking the sane and moral option, independence. Lets say that we reject independence but seek to gain our place in Somalia, this would entail behavoir similiar to the monstrous warlords that have destroyed somalia. Staying in somalia means competing , politicaly, diplomaticaly and millitaraly with the rest of the political actors. Since the SNM inherited most of the heavy weapons of the SNA that were abondoned in the north, and the discipline and organisation realtive to other militia, we would hold the biggest stick. This ofcourse means death and destruction on a larger scale. Fortunatley our elders and leaders took the wise and moral choice of isolation from the mud. These are the choices 1.) Prosperous independant state, with a demobilised army and peacefull. 2.) Another Large player gate crashing into this scramble for power in somalia, bringing along millitary muscle and leading to more war and destruction. 3.)be peacefull and be subjugated once again. ironicaly option 2 would gain us more respect than bieng peacefull and rebiulding our society.

"For these supporters of SNM maniacs, inundated with floods of testosterone, please swallow your pride and accept defeat. ThINK BIG and come back to the Somali camp and do not make life harder for our children any more. " I never thought i would come across a grown man with those feelings and thoughts. especially someone professing to be a native of Somaliland. If you were an immature child i would understand ,as i once felt like you. Dont you know your own history, do you blindly wish to repeat it? Somaliland is an attempt at never allowing history to repaet itself and not getting fooled a second time. I thought it was obvious but comming across someone like you i guess not. I hope there aren't anymore people like you becuase if there are ,then Somaliland would be a nation of suckers. swallow pride, accept defeat???? Nayrus the game has just started, we have a handicap with Riyale as president ,but the more the challenge the more the glory. Long live Somaliland