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http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/612/op11.htm shame on you arabs

Originally posted by PlayMaker: Wow, those are amazing I really enjoyed them. Thanks for sharing THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE NO DIGNITY AND GOVERNMENT..OUTSIDE PEOPLE CAN PORTAY SOMALIA AS NOTHING BUT STARVIG..WE NEED FIRST GOVERNEMT AND QARANIMO BEFORE WE EXPECT THE OUTSIDERS PUTIING NICE PICTURES OF SOMALIA FOR US. WE HAVE TO DO OUR SELVIES..IE OUR GOVERMENT SHOULD PROUDLY SHOW WHAT IS SO GOOD ABOUT HIS PEOPLE...PROBLEM WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATIVE !!!!!SCARY RIGHT..I BET NON OF YOU THINK ABOUT IT

Originally posted by Classique: Maxaa ku cunaya ? Can’t you get another sentence,, better than this, Moderator. Good Credit to Sudanese : Btw,, are you a real zool? Moderator: LOL @ Zool, Racist. ( You claim Zool is a racist word) Good Credit 2 Miss Moderator: Do you know what Zool means? Moderator: I do and its racist term ( Again u r insisting on ur claim that’s Zool is a racist word). Zool is the Arabic version of nigga. Its what light-skinned Arabs call dark-skinned ones. (My lord, says Who, YOU?!) But when I lived in Carabta, it was outright racist to refer to some1 so (And that’s why precisely I said I wanna read your biography, I wanna know where exactly you lived in Arabia and from where you got this idea?) Amethyst , the post author asked one question which is “How come there is no dark Arabs in Arab Media if there are Black Arabs?!!†I didn’t answer him coz I know for sure there are hundreds of them (Black Arabs) in Arab Media, but ‘Sudanese’ never had the chance to see them. Its either coz he doesn’t deal with the Arab Media or he didn’t try to search them. In both ways, that doesn’t change the fact that they exist. I guess he has to do little efforts to know where they are found. The topic was going fine till you talked about Racist Terms. Why every time you share with your opinion or thoughts about Arabs you give a very dim image about them. It never happened that you said something good about them. None a once. WHY?! If by any chance someone used the word “Zool†in a racist way, that doesn’t mean the word is a racist term. You are a moderator and I believe readers will concentrate on your words more than the other members. Iam not telling you to consider Arabs as the Greatest people ever existed on earth. But as someone who settled in their land, Iam sure you had good times too, so no need for all this negativity in your opinions about them. To come to the point,Zool is a very normal word, like the lebanese word 'ya Zalameh', the Egyptian word 'ya ragel' or 'ya warya'. Don’t let some individuals' racial actions conquer your mind. That’s all SISTER ARE YOU SAYING THERE IS DARK ARABS IN MEDIA COUNTRIES WHERE THEY ARE IN MINORITIES. FOTR EXAMPLE WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW BLACK ARABS IN EGYPTIAN MEDIA EXEPT BTHE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HISTORY..WHICH ONLY SHOWS WHEN THE NUBIANS SLAVES BEFORE ARAB INTERMARRIAGE. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IF I GO TO CAIRO/EGYPT I WILL SEE BLACK ARABS POSTED ON THE STREET WALLS P.S: You still live there ..well that’s nice, enjoy your life.

ethiopia is surrounded by muslim countryies ..if he keeps talkin like it wont be long before sudan and soamlia join and invade from both sides..that would keep him shut. terrorist kulahaa,he is the terrorist and torturing the innocent ugaden people. actually i dont want so much the ******* region as i used..cause i heard a heart breaking stories form there,,how they spread HIV by taking laddies and rapping them(their HIV soldiers),,,taking back agaadeen region would bring the disease to our land.

our history has nor been told..but thanks to sudanes our history is coming out. http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/somalia/1995/reunification/appendix_4.htm

DIDNT KNOW OUR ANCESTORS INHERRITAED ALL THAT..MAN WE WERE THINKERS..EVEN IRON IS INVENTED BY THE KUSH KINGDOM..WOW BEING RELATED TO THE GREAT KUSH KINDOM IS BLESSED AND PROUUD HERRITAGE.

Originally posted by Cuchullin: lets all calm down we have undoubtedly arab blood in us, in fact some clans claim they are descendents of the prophet(SAW)himself! Being related to arabs is i feel an honour, not the arabs of today, but those of yesteryears. Somalia is not in the Arab League for nothing, arabs recognise us as arab descendants. We have also some African blood leaving us as... ....African Arabs i.e. a darker version of North African Arabs (i.e.Morrocans) This is good for our religion and our pride because we have the best of both, we look better than jareer and arabs! FIRST I AND MOST SOMALIS KNOW WE ARE DESCEDANT OF ARABS..AND I KNOW WE ARE ACCEPTED IN ARAB LEAGUE BECAUSE OF ARAB DESCEDANT.DONT GET ME WRONG IT IS GREAT BEING RELATED TO PROPHET MOHAMED S.A.W RACE AND PREVILEDGE TO BE CALLED HIS RACE. INFACT SOMALIS HAVE MORE ARAB BLOOD THAT SUDANES ARABS SICE DOME OF THEM HAVE ALITTLE BIT OF AFRICAN NOSE..NOT BEING ABUSIVE JUST STATING OF CORSE THEY ARE GENERALLY HANDSOME PEOPLE. BUT WHAT GETS ME IS HOW COULD WE BE ARABS WHEN WE ARE MIXED..WHAT ABOUT ACKNOWLEGING OUR AFRICAN BLOOD!!....AND ALSO WE ARE NOT ARE ARABIC SPEAKING NATION! YOU SEE THAT IS WHAT SOMALIS CONFUSE NOT ACTUALLY HAVING ARAB BLOOD BUT NOT ARABIC SPEAKING NATION. CAN ABDUALHI YUSUF SPEAK ARABIC WHEN HE WENT TO ALGERIAN ARAB NATIONS SUMMIT?????

Originally posted by Lidia: Actually, I trace my ancestors back to Portugal. I’m of Portuguese origin, and my ancestors were Portuguese ship merchants and not Arabs. lidia if u were you i would have shut my mouth."i am portugees kulahaa" war heedhe white man only rapped not married because they faithless people.so having arab blood is different form havin portugee..arabs were muslims and married the locals..it is fact that sudan become arabs after arabs married their leaders doughters so that is how the country become arab land because the kush kingdom was so strong the egyptians used to fear alot,,so the only way to the arabs take over sudan was marrying the doughters of the important kings of sudan(nubians). if you are teling me portegees married your people 18th century..well that is even assault 2 your people..as even the portugees will tell you they only rapped not married untill martin lurther king spoke an racism abolished!!

http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/somalia/1995/reunification/appendix_4.htm

Originally posted by Haddad: I have come across this link . The following is what I found interesting: Almost all of the many different ethnic groups on the Horn of Africa trace their origins on the male side either: a . as Hamitic people back to Ham, the second son of Noah or b . as Semitic people back to Shem, the first son of Noah. The Somali people are one of several Hamitic ethnic groups in East Africa known as Cushites , descendants of the Kingdom of Cush. Their language is also one of several related languages referred to as Cushitic languages. As Hamites, they probably migrated from the Arabian Peninsula sometime earlier. One can speculate that the Kingdom of Cush was originally founded by Cush, the first son of Ham, who was the second son of Noah. According to the elders of the Beja ethnic group in Ethiopia, another Cushitic ethnic group, they do explicitly claim to be descendents of Cush, the son of Ham, the son of Noah. So, we can conclude a considerable people on the Horn of Africa are of Hamitic or Semitic origin. We know Ham and Shem were brothers. Finally, we conclude the brothers were based in the Arabian Peninsula . WHEN YOU SAY WE ARE DESCENT FROM KUSH KINGDOM,IS THAT MEAN WE RELATED TO SUDANES ARABS..AND IF ARE ARE TRYING TO SAY WE WERE ONCE LOOKED LIKE JAREER..HELLO I DONT ACCEPT. FIRST SUDANES ARABS ARE COMPLETLY DIFFERENT FORM US,BECAUSE THY WERE ONCE LOOKED LIKE JAREER(FIRCOON) BUT THEY INTERMARRIED WITH ARABS FROM EGYPT/SOUTHER ARABIA.AND THAT IS HOW THEY COME TO LOOK LIKE SOMALIS. THE SUDUNES ARABS WILL TELL YOU THEIR AFRICAN ANCESTORS WERE SLAVES(IE NUBIANS) EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE SINCE THEY ARE MARRIED ARABS.

do the arabs look sudanes as arabs or black african? sudanes arabs have similar features to somalis yet are arabs. so my question is do arabs look sudanes as arabs or its it the sudanes claim something they are not. there is this sudanes guy who told me that somalis are not arabs because they dont speak arabic,but a assumed soamlis who speak arabic as arabs..that really confussed me. i want people with knowledge to give me some answers..i necer though i will be confussed who iam but the fact is i ma not the only person with this identity crisis. how come there is no dark arabs in arab media if there is black arabs!!!!!.

the brother who said somalis are considered african by the westerns..that is because the westerns to associate somalis with inferior/slave ans also we are not arabic sppeaking nation only the rich speak arabic who travelled gulf. secondly i have been watching the situation in darfur in american CNN/FOX NEWS and i have heard them saying the africans up north is bashing the southern africans....i think it gose like, arabs up north are bashing the southern black africans!!. westerns see the northern sudanes as arabs but somalis as africans,because we like the black history,ie slavery,act like nigg#rs and proud to be black africans,so why expect the westerns to classify you anything other than arabs..ccause we chose to . and also this bullshit about we are chustic people is nothing but nonsence..when you are in africans continent you either african or arab forget abot am midddle between,kush ,chushtic, every one knows the sudanes and egyptian are descent of kush and ancient egyptians..the proof is go to caro egypt,the egyptians will proudly tell you they descent of ancient egypt and also the go to khartaum they will tell you they are descent of kush people,same go to morocco/libya they will tell you they are from descent of berber but at the end of the day which side do you want to be in ..black african or arab..you do the math. the irish and the greek dont look the same,but they are westerns ..hence europens. if tukey joins europeans union she will be europena country but doesnt mean their history would dissappear! so is somalia a black african or arabs, that is how african continent splits..forget about i am quarter this and that.

Originally posted by somealien: quote:Originally posted by Modesty: I can't believe that those people are Somalis. For one, this could be a cut 'N' PASTE thing. Secondly, they wouldn't be sitting comfortably around white slave owners like that. I think possibily they could've been Muslim Senegalese,who were brought to the U.S.A as slaves.But No, those people can't be Somalis...Plus why would anyone want to flee our beautiful country with all our goats,and camels in 1915 to come to a cold place like Chicago! I'm not buying this! :cool: 1)what woulbe the goal in cut n pasting the pics, what kind of satisfaction would one get in doing so? and 2) theyre not slave owners, slavery ended sometime in the 1890s, AND, although somalis and east aficans didnt generally fall victim to the slave trade, there ARE a few that fell in those traps. in 1915, the jim crow laws is what id be worried about though. but than again, they could just be travelling through. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON WHY I DONT WANT WHITE PEOPLE DIGGING OUR LAND TO DO ARCHAEOLOGY AND WHERE WE COME FORM..JUST LIKE THEY DID 2 NUBIANS THEY WANT SOMALIS TO ASSOCIATE WITH SLAVERY EDEOLOGY, IE LOOKING IF THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE OF SOMALIS AS SLAVES BEFORE ISLAM(7TH CENTURY. WHITE MAN IS DYING TO CHANGE OUR HISTORY AND BRING THE WORD SLVERY TO OUR HISTORY.

Originally posted by ??쩺 I have seen these pictures on another website. What were Somalis doing at the Chicago Police Staion in 1915? Were they investigaged by the Police? Were they Slaves? Were they refugees?What do these pictures tell you? More investigation is needed on this. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?cdn:1:./temp/~ammem_2RbR:: FIRST NO ONE WOULD WANT TO ENSLAVE A SKINNY PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT COLOUR. THE WHOLE SLAVERY DURING 18TH CENTURY WAS FOCUSING ON PEOPLE WHO ARE PHYSICALLY STRONG ..HENCE THAT IS WHY BALCK AFRICANS(JAREERS) WERE TARGETED. SECONDLE WE WOULDNT HAVE PUT UP THIS WITHOUT A FIGHT...AND IF THEY TRIED HARD TO ENSLAVE SOMALIS IT WOULD HAVE ENDED UP SITUATION ABU GRABE(IRAQ) JUST TORTURING BECAUSE WE SAID NO TO ORDERS..ALLAH IS GREAT AND WE SHOULDNT FEAR OF DEATH. THAT IS ARABS STOPPED ENSLAVING THE NUBIANS 14TH CENTURY WHEN THEY BECOME MUSLIM..AS BILLAH DEMONSTRATED WHEN YOU ALLAH YOU DONT NEED TO ABEY HUMAN BEING SIMPLE AS THAT...YOU CAN HANGE ME BECAUSE YOU ARE STRONGER BUT YOU CANT MAKE ME OBEY YOU ...ALLAH AKBAR..THAT IS WHY ISLAM IS GREAT.

i think you loosing the plot bilan when you say "ethiopians dont ask the same question" because ethiopian are completely diffent from,firstit is not muslim country infact they hate the oromas so much that they hate whole islam think seconly ethiopians have no intrest in in terms islamic culture from the arab world or islamic identity. why do you think th oromos want 2 be independent, i have met alot oromos who lived in sudan for anly 2 years and when you ask them where they from they tell you we are from sudan because that is how much they hate tht amxaaro state and now you are comparing to somalia we are not even a same page. modern ethiopia(amxaaro state) has only one thing in comon withn the arab world and that is fighting the nile water with egypt and that is it. do you see alot ethiopian christains in middle east..the answer no..thiopia is looked at as catholic nation by the outsiders.so itis not about the look. you wait and see if oromos get their way and become independent which is unlikely, you'll see them talkin about joing the arab world. that is why the eriterians have problem entering the arab league because of their huge christain population,they would have joined the arab league way before somalia and actually they have more arab blood than somalia but they are not strong predominately muslim nation.

Originally posted by bilan: i bet somalis are the only people in the world who have identity crisis. somalis are not more arab than pakistani or indian,we do not speak arabic hence we are not arabs,why can not some people be happy what they are. you do not see ethiopians asking these kind of questions even though we exactly look the same.

Originally posted by Yasmine: This is a complex issue and I don't think anyone will know the complete story (i.e. where we fit into the "History of Africa") until the origin of Somali people is studied extensively. Although a few have already done so, there isn't one mainstream theory upon which everyone can agree. Asking whether Somalis are Arab or African can have anyone trying to explain for hours because the question itself is somewhat ambiguous. Under what context are you using the terms African and Arab ? The two are not mutually exclusive because a person can be Arab and African at the same time. In addition, being African does not necessarily mean being Negroid because a large number of Africans (particularly Easterners and Northerners) are not. Africa is a very diverse continent inhabited by numerous races (some native to the continent and some originating elsewhere) and we should place people in rigid categories because, in doing so, we would be oversimplify long, complex histories that often involve a great deal of intermarriage and fusion between differing races. Yet in the midst of all this racial confusion, I think one fact remains concrete: Somalis are Africans, and to state otherwise is false. Or is it wishful thinking? For those who argue that Somalia is in the Arab League and it must therefore be an Arab country, here's a little reminder: the Arab league is a POLITICAL ENTITY and a government's association with it does not define the racial identity of its populace. Moreover, several countries go back and forth between the Arab League and the African League (e.g. Somalia, Libya, Egypt), but it's obvious their motives are purely political. But, considering the fact that Somalia's seat has been empty for more than a decade, what difference does having a place in the Arab League make anyway? And since we're on that topic, I don't think anyone should take pride in being part of an organization that has disgraced Muslims everywhere time and time again. That's my measly 2 cents. Salaama. FIRST LET SAY THIS "YOU SAID SOME HAD TO DO RESERCH ON SOMALI HISTORY" ONE THING I WOULD MOT ACCEPT IS THE RESERCH TO BE DONE BY WHITE PEOPLE. I HATE TO FIND OUT SOMALIS WHERE SLAVES OF EGYPTIANS BEFORE ISLAM LIKE THEY DONE TO THE NUBIANS.AND BELIEVE ME IT WONT BE THAT FAR AWAY FROM THOSE THINKIMG ESPECIALLY WHEN WHITE MAN IS DOING RESERCH . IF ANTHROPOPLGIST WANT TO FIND OUT THE HISTORY OF SOMALIS BEFORE ISLAM WELL IT HAS TO BE SOMALI PERSON WOULD DO THAT FOR US NOT WHITE PEOPLE. TO BE QUIET HONNEST IF ALL SOMALIS REALLY THINK LOGICALLY YOU WILL NOW MOST AFRICANS WERE SLAVES OF EGYPTIANS/ARABS. THESE WESTERNS ARE TRYING TO DIG OURANCESTORS FROM THE GROUND SO THEY CAN BRING THE WORD SLAVERY INTO OUR HISTORY, AND SINCE OUR ANCESTORS BEFORE ISLAM WERE NOT MUSLIMS I COULDNT CARE LESS WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM AND REALLY DONT WANT TO KNOW IT CAUSE IT ONLY BRINGS NEGATIVE IMAGES TO OUR PROUD NATION.

Originally posted by Conquest: very interesting debate. too bad I came late, some of you might have given a similar answer to what I'm going to say, so I opologise. Are we Somalis: Africans or Arabs? First before ask this question you should ask: what does it mean to Somali? what does it mean to be African? what does it mean to be Arab? we know that not all Somalis share the same anscester. so this question can not possibly have one answer, i.e. African or Arab. you can't deny the fact that some Somalis are desendents of Africans, Arabs, Persians, and even Indians. another question is Are you who your father was or who your mother was, or the color you have? There are some whose their mother was an African but their father was not, who have a dark skin, are they Arab or African?. There are others who have a black father, who married the daughter of a Arab man, and they have a light skin, are they Arab or African? If you also say that we are from Africa because our country is in Africa. Do you know that the word Africa(n) comes from Ifriqos bin Qais bin Saifi, one of the Kings of Yemen. now if we agree to this, then the answer to your question can be: one Somali can be African, Another can be Arab, and Another Somali can be Neither. Now everyone can choose who he is. If someone claims to be Arab, why should you care? but if he tells you that you are Arab and you believe otherwise, then you can argue with him and prove your case, that you are not Arab. You don't need to prove that he is not Arab. what is important is that We have a great culture, history, and due to our location in the world (center of the world) we have very rich and diverse culture and ancestors. Humans evolved in our area of the world, this also means that when people began to spread around, many of them passed through East Africa, for example the Berbers of North Africa is said to have came from Somalia, the Tuaregs of Mali also came from africa, And Many others. What is important is that we are all the children of Adam and we can all agree on that. At least I hope so, there are some who claim to be from monkeys, I hope their aren't any Somalis who believe we are the children of a Daaxuur. I THINK U MADE VERY GOOD POINT MAN . SINE SOMALIS I HOME TO PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT DESCENT,ARABS,IMDIANS AND AFRICANS AS YOU SAID BEFORE WHY CANT THEY ACCEPT BEING ARAB NATION SINCE MOST ARABD NATIONS HAVE DARK SKIN ARABS HENCE HAVE AFRICAN ANCESTORS AND STILL CALL THEMSELVIES ARAB NATION LIKE OMAN,YEMEN AN,SUDAN,EGYPT AND SAUDI. I MEAN I COPULD GO TO SAUDI ARABIA AND SAY I AM SAUDI BECAUSE THEY HAVE DARK SKIN SAUDIS..I AM SURE THEY WILL ASK ME MY PASSPORT 4 PROOF RATHER THAN WERE MY ANCESTORS COME FORM. AND ALSO WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO REMEBER IS SOMALIS IN MIDDLE EAST ESPECIALLY WHEN I VISITED EMMIRATES THEY WERE ALL CLASSIFIED AS ARABS AND THE ONES I MET THEY TALK LIKE THEY ARABS AND NATIVE EMMIRATES DONT CONSIDER THEM AS AFRICAN NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMALIS THINK THEY ARE BALCK. EVEN WHEN I HAVE BEEN TO EGYPT THEY ALWAYS VIEW AS NUBIANS RATHER THAN BLACK,THE FUNNY THING WAS I HAD THIS EGYPTIANS FRIENS WHO HATED THE NIGERIANS AND HE USED TO COME TO ME AND TELL ME HOW HE HATES BLACKS I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT WHAT HE SAID ..BUT IF YOU LOOK AT FROM HIS POSITION YOU WONDER WHY WOULD AN EGYPTIAN TALK BLACK PEOPLE LIKE INFRONT OF SOMALIS..THE TRUTH IS THE ARABS DONT SEE SOMALIS AS BALCK OR ELSE THEY WOULD HAVE LABELLED THEIR DARK SKIN ARABS AS AFRICANS BUT SURPRISE SURPRISE THEY DIDNT AND WE ALL KNOW HOW RACIST THE ARABS ARE AND STILL WOULD NEVER DARE TO EVEN CALL BALCK THEIR DARK SKIN ARABS. YOU GO AND TELL THE MAN WHO EXATCUED THE SIX SOMALIS IN SAUDI ARABIS THAT HE IS BALCK..YOU WILL THE LAUGHING STOCK IN SAUDI!!!

this is my opinion, i am not black as 21st century definition but if you are talking about black because my skin is then i will accept that i am balck and african. the problem is the arabs define black african as slave and because of that i will never accept black especially in middle east. most somalis do accept their balckness and africaness but the trith fact is we are not black interms of todays definition and our ancestors were not slaves and you have to remeber that when you as somali say to a white person you are black he or she immediately think of you as bantu ie descent of slave..and for that reason i will not accept the black as my ethnicity..and that is why most african muslims who have same as us are almost arabized especially the muslim one. nubians in egypt are almost arabized and egyptians do not consider nubians as bantu race or jareer..and most nubians are proud people who will tell you that they are differenr form the egyptians up northern egypt but at the same time not jareer like their ancestors. if people like nubians who their ancestors once looked like bantu today dont accept to be called black because they have arab blood,why somalis are trying to be black when you hardly see somalis and jareer eating and chatting on the streets..infact i know most somalis look the bantu as different race. and also i dont know why somalis avoid arabization sice arab isnt a race at all but geneolgy linkage(blood line).