Dear Silent Sistah, your poem made huge sense. Thanks for the deep meaning you provided us, masha allah. I think you don't lack anything, because you have everything important in your disposal.

My final answer to this question is "SILENT". NO COMMENTS AT ALL! Ibros, (Alle-ubaahne)

Originally posted by Princess_Sexy: What a bunch of wimps. Alle-ubaahne Not every tradition in the Somali culture is suitable for every individual. .(and BTW, that comparison holds no water) As far as the mere-values comment goes, childbirth is a blessing that should be celebrated by both parents, not just tolerated. I don’t think many of you men understand the impact of your presence, or the impact of your absence. As far as I’m concerned, that “no-show†practice becomes the base of a “no show†husband/father in other situations. And many of you guys are misinterpreting the “being there†part. You don’t have to watch the actual birth (well at least in my case). I can understand, its only natural that it may gross you out. But standing there beside me is a whole other case of its own. You may not think your doing much, but it’s the little things that can make difference…...keep that in mind. Sister, My position is clear as to where I stand from the Somali culture I always adhere to, But can't you share with us what culture you coming from, since you disregard the moral and ethical standards of Somali culture. I look forward to reading your remarks pertaining to the culture you stick to for supporting your arguments. Ibros, (Alle-ubaahne)

My father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather, my great-great grandfather and the greatest of all my great grandfathers, None of them had to go closer their wifes when giving birth, so as to display a sense of love, or whatever these contemporary western-minded girls consider is "Real Man". Why couldn't all of our beloved great grandmothers ask for our grand fathers to experience the process of child delivering? I realy don't understand why we always have to take the footsteps of the evil cultures, or the so-called mere values of those we brought us here in the west! Look at the difference between how a western man expresses his love, comparing to a somali man: A western man can give his wife flowers (all flowers must be cheap, cause every dummy carries a bunch of them) but he can't pay her food when they go to a restaurent; on the other hand, a somali man can give his wife all that is in his disposal to please her, but he can't kiss her in the public. do you see the distinction?

From a traditionalist point of view, he must be out, and learn the results out side the scene. That is what I think is proper, in terms of, acting upon the dictates of our beautiful culture. Ibros (All-ubaahne)

Shoobaro, Walaahi waxaa tahay nin oday ah oo sharaf leh. Xikmadaada waa i deeqday walaalkiis. Laakiin xageyga inaan dhalinyarada, gaar ahaan, kuweena qaldan saxo waa arin iga go'an oo aan marnaba laga quusaneyn. Sidaas darteed waaku mahadsantahay sida sharafta leh ee aad talida iiga siisay arinta kusaabsan "Barashada Afkii Hooyo". Ibros, (Alle-ubaahne)

Originally posted by OG_Girl: Alle huh :confused: Speak to me language I understand English or Arabic please if you want to address me. Thank you in advance. Salam Ar tujubaan, ama luuqad fasire ayaa loo baahan yahay, si aan isku fahamno aniga iyo OG Girl. Ar yaa jooga meesha, ar wuuuuuuuuuuuuw! ar u kaadi amaan carabiga aqaan............ alah markii ugu danbeesay walax bartood waan fahmi jiray, yaa sug bal: Kayfal xaal marka hore, OG Girl?

OG, Girl, I would like to read your position get supported with more reasons as to why somali men are not friendly to girls.

OG Girl, Abaayo taladaada runtii uma fiicna wiilka, marka hadii aad iska aamustid soo kama fiicna intaad talo qaldan siin laheed wiilka yarka ah? Professor wuxuu gartay iney ceebtahay qof inuusan ku hadli karin luuqadiisa hooyo, marka wixii ceebta uuku sheegay miyaad uga dhigeysaa wax fiican? Waxaan oran lahaa ilaah ha u fududeeyo walaalkeen luuqadiisa hooyo, anagana sidoo kale. Runtii Luuqada Soomaaliga waa luuqad fiican oo qofku ku sharixi karo wax walba, waliba luuqada Soomaaliga waxaa ka buuxa caqiidooyinkii Islaamka, gaar ahaan, markaad eegtid dhanka suugaanta gabayada iyo maahmaahyada, ama xigmadaha kale aan leenahay. Ugu danbeyntii, OG Girl, wax qalad ah ha iga fahmin waxaa tahay walaasheey oo aan sidoo kale jeclahay inaan tusiyo wanaaga luuqadeena hooyo oo aan barano iskuna fahamno. Mahadsanidiin, Ibros, (Alle-ubaahne)

Shoobaro, Please, easy for the brother. We are here to assist him by all means, not to discourage. Many somali children are really in his position now, where they can't properly communicate in the host country's langauge nor their mother language. Brother, check this link, by reading this book about the sad experience of somali children: http://www.irinnews.org/webspecials/Somalichildren/

The Ten Principles of Hassan al-Banna. 1.) The Unity of the Ummah. He considered it in itself a primary and important goal that we must strive for. "Do no disagree, then you fail and lose the wind (in your tail." 2.) The Agreement on Principal Matters. Such that we start by considering everyone who declares shahadah - La ilah illaAllah, Muhammad arrusulAllah - as our companion and part of the Muslim group. 3.) Assume First that You, Not Your Muslim Brother, May be Wrong. And see how you find the truth impartially. 4.) The Manners for Disagreement. That you should be as keen about listening to your brother's evidence and argument as you are about giving your evidence and argument, and be pleasant and smiling whether the result is for you or against you. 5.) Avoiding Arguing, Self-Righteousness, and Belittling of Others. Al Banna said: "No nation went astray after being guided, except after it fell to cursing and arguing." And: "He will have a place in Heaven that leaves arguing when he is wrong, and a higher place in Heaven if he leaves arguing when he is right." 6.) The Possibility of Mulitiple Correct Answers. He referred to the Prophet telling the sahabah to pray Asr in Bani Quraiza, how some of them prayed Asr when it's time came, while others prayed it when they reached Bani Quraiza after sundown, and how the Prophet praised both parties. 7.) The Group Participation in Agreed Upon Matters and to Excuse One Another in What is Disagreed Upon. He emphasized, "We all agree on prohibiting alcohol, adultery, and gambling, and we agree on the duty to govern according to Quran so let us invite governments to implement it; we agree that honor and respect are due to Muslims, so let us impart these ideals to Muslims, we agree that jihad is the means to accomplish honor so let us train the individual, and to raise children with the necessary spiritual and physical training." 8.) Thinking of the Danger of the Common Adversary. He reminded Muslims of the present external enemies who do not differentiate between Muslims or different views or different national origin. The enemy considers Muslims enemies of his religion, and their homelands a prize to be dominated for its resources. He emphasized the need for unity to deter aggression. 9.) Opening the Avenues for Work and Productivity. He recognized the duel purpose of working hard, to produce more and to stay free from the evil of idleness. He encouraged members to excel in schools and jobs, and to seek earning from lawful sources and to shun laziness and dependence on others. He encouraged them to fill in duties that others have not even identified, such as visiting brothers far and near, volunteerism, and to allow time each day for examining how they have done for the sake of Allah. 10.) Sympathy for Those Who Do Not See the Light. Rather than being angry with them or exposing their shortcomings. He never attacked his accusers or distractors on personal matter, but rather sought Allah's help in making His message clearer to those who were listening. What do you think guys? A worth sharing set of principles, or what?

One brotherly advice for Mr. professor: always interact with the Somali people in Somali langauge and make sure you find some reading materials where you can gain more somali vocabularies as well as reading comprehension. Go ahead, start now, cause it's a doable thing!

profesor, I urge you to learn your mother language in the first place. Now, here is the translation from boolbaro: Brother profesor, all I know is that sixir is not good, bad and taboo. It is an undesirable major sin. With it lies every sin. Islamically, it is an irrelevent to have it on practice. Though the Somali culture accomadates the usage of sixir through numerious means, for instance, booramaha, fuquburaalaha, ruuxaamaha, wadaadada, abaay sitida, or nasrada the things that take predictive arts (faalka= the art of prediction) and other bad things. However, they use for different purposes, but whichever it might be, our religion has forbiden both the usage and the practicality of magical believes and things that pertain to it. By the way, does anyone of you know what boorano or abaaysiti means in english? Very hard to translate in english, though. lol I will consult with my English-Somali dictionary.

Cajiib MMA, your integrative words, (somali into english), makes me ponder of your high linguistic creativity, esp. on how you form sentences and make sense out of them! Fiiri, meeqo jeer aa kabahaaga ka carartay markii eeyga madoow ee cidaha jidka-warshada agtooda dagan kusoo ceersado? Eey oo dhan hal dabeecad aan ku ogahay: ciyaalka yaryar waa iska waabsanaayaan, lol.

Many Thanks To J11, Right, Islam is an undeniable motivational factor that empowers the believing person to an unpredictable level of strenght.

An African man from non-Islamic cultural backgrounds told me once, Brother you as a Somalian have something to die for, religion, language, culture, solid integrity and a historic place called Somalia, but we as Africans of western values do have nothing of our own. They first took our language, and secondly, our religion, and finaly our cultural believes and history. Because of that significant remarks, I believe we (Somalians) are always in a position to appreciate the bounties granted us by Allah.

Waxaan haayaa eray Soomaali ah oo runtii cajiib ah markaad eegtid macnihiisa iyo hadba sida uu u dhaco: DHIG = QORID DHIG = WAX AAD MEEL DHIGTID ama SAARTID DHIG = DHIGTA GURIGA EE AQALADA BAADIYAHA

An interesting debate, Masha-Allah. I remember reading a paper discussing about the strategical vast space of farming available in somalia. It read, the 700 million hectars of farming land in Somalia can cover the agricultural needs of the entire african continent. I don't know exactly how 700 million hectars of farming land looks like, but I think tells us something worth discovering so as to overcome the struggle to sustain our people in terms of food amenities. I think the best instrument to use for changing the mindset of our people and the misconceptions relating to the farming lifestyles, is to encourage people through understanding the significance of Islam and the obligation for the Muslim person to become always a productive member of the community. I believe without sticking to the western social engineering skills, we can create a productive culture where our people can set a constructive objectives that are compatible with Islam. There must be numerious ways in Islam that can empower our people for understanding the value of agricultural practices and the dependancy of farming at home. Yes, with the meaningful course of action to prepare our people as farm-oriented sociaty, we need to embark something that can skilfully change the mindset of our people. Therefore, Islam can surely play that role effectively if the given objective was to steer our people to the agricultural direction.

Inaa Li Laahi Wa Inaa Ileyhi Raajicuun! Alaha U naxariisto, aamiin. More sadder is the fact that he died in this country, which is more critical, indeed. May Allah save us in our presence in this country. I know and truly accept death, because it is what surely awaits everyone of us, but it is really hard to imagine the harsh consequences for those of us who die here out of any Islamicaly justfible excusses. The quranic verse indicates as follows: “Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): “In what (condition) were you?†They reply: “We were weak and oppressed on the earth.†They (angels) say: “Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?†Such men will find their abode in Hell — what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way. These are they whom Allaah is likely to forgive them, and Allaah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving†[al-Nisaa’ 4:97-99]

Golden Girl Abaayo, I think most people in xamarjadiid can only recognize each other if they were in the same age or residing in close proximity. The time we lived in xamarjadiid was between 1983-87. From 1987 on we moved to Hurwaa, where my family are still residing. In xamarjadiid, I remember several friends, among others, including Cumar Xiito who lived the house next to Baar Hilaac, Daa'uud Cabdullahi Xirsi and his father who used to chase us with his Mooto everyday. Also, Ducaale they owned Farmashiye Faanoole, next to ducaale was Yuuyuubis cidii dhuxusha gadi jirtay. Wait a minute..... yeah, Xasan Shuluq iyo walaalihiis, they had Construction material store on the opposite of the so-called Dagmada Xamarjadiid. There was a famous guy by the name, Dhagaweyne, most of the youth used to meet under the shade of big tree, in front of his house. It was the first time I saw a girl called (Wiilo), who was an active soccer player. I used to go Dugsiga Hoose/Dhexe ee Wabuu-Shabeele, and later on, I was transfered to Maxamuud Xarbi which was the next building. I can't forget that period because my family suffered major loss of property and financial breakdown: the entire wealth of my father had gone with the fire that inflicted on Bacadle Market. And as a result of that, my father sold our house to gain little profit, so as to buy another house and sustain the family.

Very interesting story! Do you have another one. by the way, I recently read an excellent book called Prison Writings: my life is my sun dance. By Leonard Peltier, who is a Native Indian.

Section6ers, Who is that girl posted along your message? She appears to me Somali, right? If yes, then she must be Saado Cali, surmisingly. I hope my eyes don't fail me to visually recognizing what the picture indicates.

W/S sister, I used to live in Xamarjadiid, near by Farmashiye Faanoole, which is the opposite of Baar Hilaac. I was young at the time, but i recall most of the people who surrounded where I lived in. So, ask me the people you knew in Xamarjadiid. I'll try to respond, insha allah. And finally welcome to the Nomadic Forum, am new here as well.

Originally posted by Jumatatu: quote:Originally posted by Man Of Freedom: Israel has a genuine reason to have Nuclear capababilities in it's arsenal since it is embedded in heart of it's enemies. Are you by any chance applying for a job with the US state department and u need to proof illogical conclussion...or worst have you been watching to much Fox Newsnetwork...? Jumatatu, You really snatched that question out of my mouth, lol. I was exactly thinkin in line of that question. You see, the guy is proposing himself to qualify at least a position where he can serve as a loyalistic parrot agent.

Man of Freedom, NGONGE has really answered your question, but let me add this to you: Why can't you talk about our insecurity as Somalians for the past fourteen years, especialy how our children's future were shattered by warlords along their western supporters who stir up the situation everytime it is about to calm? I think we've enough issues to react in our back yard, and if you are asking our extra reactions, then we've no reaction to white man's problems!