Feebaro, lol Maya duqa shabaq ma jiro, ee waan yaabay nooh. Juxa waxay igu noqotay qoftii la baxday oo kale "Cabdiyo" marka waxaa moodaa xoogaa magaceeda iyo qoraalkeeda inuusan is laheyn. Ani waxaan juxa kula talin lahaa magaceeda iney ka dhigto sidaan oo kale: Juxiyo ama Juxeey. Markaas waala fahmi karaa iney tahay xaawooleey. Macna maleh, koley gabadha dan kama lihi aniga, ee Feebaro jooji janbalka aad naga dhex tuureesid. lol Ok, Nabadeey hee F.G: Juxa, abaa waan hilmaamay inaan ku dhaho, "Barasho wanaagsan".

Ok, Maddam Juxa, where is your given name? Btw, I am a man, man of principle, indeed.

Originally posted by juxa: ^^^^^^^^agree. it would be nice if he was there. i could use the emotional support. but if he said walaalay i cant, i know he will be there in spirit maybe i can have his mother or mine or sister. they more helpful. me and my future are planning big family, so there are other ways he can show his gratitude right sweetie? Your name confuses me sir? Are you male or female? Am suprised indeed, because your name juxa implies the famous comedian guy in Arabia. And your writings sound very much womanish. Something is going on in there! :confused:

(DAGAAL OOGE ARGAGIXIYE) qofna ha usheegin yaah! shiiiiiiiiiiiish. The other word was, PEACEMAKER

Eedo Classique, When I say eedo, I mean your educational rank, which I believe deserves my humble respect. Eedo, you wrote, I believe they better be seperated and not mixed. Another critical point in line with the concept of separation of STATE AND CHURCH. Eedo, I still respect you, but because of your views, your educational rank is getting questionable now. I think in Islam there is no such separation of science and Diin. They go together, and are an inseparable knowledge. Mafahamtay EEDO?

Classique, You wrote, Religious and Scientific explanations. . So in your definition, Islamic religion is not in the science category, right? I think you need to reconsider what is science and what is unscientific on the bases of the other educational reality: The Islamic Knowledge. I feel sad when I see a Muslim western educated person who is looking Islam as something less than the so-called western psuedo-science!

muunaa, what kind of picture you get first? Can I see it so as to check it? lol waa kula kaftamooyaa abaa, to be honest with you, I have no idea where to obtain that link, sorry abaayo.

I extremely oppose the idea of educational stratifications between the couples. I don't expect my wife to respect me on the bases of my degrees. The question is absulately anti-our-culture. And I strongly agree with (Vicking), he/she has offered a classic example. Education or the level of knowledge should never become something worth of considerations in my personal point of views.

Oh sorry, the debate was wrapped up for good. Meeqo dhibcood aan ku reenay, KOOXDA DHAQANKA LEH 5, KOOXDA DHAQAN LA'AANTA 1. I knew that they couldn't win on the bases of such copy-cat principles from western cultures. lol

NGONG, I think the sister is asking what is the perfect system of governance that can produce a satisfiable results for the people under it? Tell her in details that it is Islam. Sullen Sue, Abaayo, to be honest with you, I was never and will ever be a sexist. All I was trying to say is to admit my ignorance pertaining to the customery lifestyle for the somali women: It was hard for me to digest that our beautiful women do have a similar interest in politics with men. Am I clear now for any ambiguities? Take it tartiib, Ok. lol

The name of the Somali Forum should be something like, TACLIINTA iyo HIDAHA, or GOLLAHA SOOMAALIGA. Let me try to be more creative than this.... KABARO AFKA SOOMAALIGA. What else? Sug bal..... SHEEKO IYO SHAAH. And the rest of the other names are underway, soon insha allah.

Nazra, you look young to my eyes, do you? lol I think this topic is not suitable for the underage people, right?

Dear Sullen Sue, and OG Girl, I am very impressed how well you two are intermingled, and yet disagreeing while having no intense negative feelings in return of the disagreement of the other. Interesting! I think this is the first time am seeing Somali girls discussing about Politics and at the same time engaging deeper analytical views for delving much about their experiences and so forth. Masha-Allah. That is realy a good thing, I believe. Abaayooyin, Let me share with you this story I once had a group of Eedooyin-like women. One day my aunt asked me to drive her to another state so as to purchase something from there. So, I did. When I come to pick her at her house, I noticed that she was not alone but three of her friends were with her. I drove them towards where we intended to go, and in the course of our trip, we had nothing to talk about. Everyone was almost silent. So I decided to at least to become a catalyst for a general topic so as to discuss while en route to the state we're going to. I picked the current warlord's conference in Kenya as the topic for me entertain these Eedooyin. To my suprise, the four Eedooyin become more than politicians. They deeply discussed about everything about the history of each and every warlord, somali history, the problems we as somalis have here in the west, and finally the absulate solution for our problems. Walaahi, that was the time I raised my hand in total respect for the degree of intellectualism they displayed, because previously I used to think off them as innocent people who are deaf about the reality and the political spheres of the country and elsewhere. Who said in order for one to become a politician, one should go to school and study the art of human polity? If you think about those Eedooyin, none of them went to school or read in any newspaper to comprehend the world, and yet they are engaging an advanced level of political idealogies! Cajiib, May be Sullen Sue and OG Girl are another Eedooyin-to-be girls who are on the verge to grasp everything about politics, lol. Am joking for this one, OK.

Rudy, Don't you know that Somali language is Nasty-free? And indeed what you inserted here is fully nasty oriented language; something our culture considers very offensive. May be those people with (ciyaal ziiyo mentality) can tell us the exact informal somali interpretations of that song.

Each to their own though, but for me inshallah my husband will have to (I’ve had a change of heart) enter with me. He MUST appreciate the process and have some sort of understanding about the pain and suffering we go through. Inshallah it will make him more appreciative. Dear Rahima, Can I be that person, the husband you wish for in the future, because that is the only reason I can withdraw from my traditional stance. Ehehehe, am joking may be, Ok. Anyway, let's consider the conservation of our culture.

Waagii hore soomaalida isku fikrad ey ahaan jireen. Wax walba oo laga hadlo weey isku raaci jireen. Qofka khilaafka badan waxaa loo arkay inuu yahay qof xun. Laakiin dhibaatooyinka aan aragnay baryahan, gaar ahaan imaanshihii qurbaha galbeedka, waxaa ka mid ah in xitaa hadii laga hadlo JANADA waxaa soo baxaaya kuwa naga mid ah oo ku dhahaayo JANADA WAA LAGA FIICAN YAHAY! Yaab anagaa aragnay! F.G. Hada maxaa laga rabaa luuqadeenii dhameed ee hooyo?

Laakiin hala ogaado, xisaabtana ku darra, nin hadii uu jaceelka ku cusub yahay ama uu ciyaar-bilow yahay, wax walba oo la siiyo wuuku farxaa. Arintaas waxaa kusoo dagtay maahmaah caan ah, Geel laba jir soo mar Ibros :cool:

OG Girl, I think you bombarded your sister with huge disagreements. Plus you have no recommendations as to how you see is the better discourse for governance and political systems. You said nothing is perfect. That is what they say all the time. I think Islam is perfect in governance. And one reason you can agree is that if Allah is perfect, then His words are perfect. And that gives us a perfect way to conduct ourselves. Right? I am tired too, because of what they stand for!

Rahima, Yes abaayo, as you put it, As for Somali culture, it is not the Qur’an brother I totally agree, but that doesn't make the imitation of western cultures sacred. Rahima, if you look at our religion, you can't find any verse or hadiith that commands men to attend the delivery of their wives. So, the question is where did that come from? I think it is obvious that the idea of attending the delivery of ones' wife was derived from western values. In fact, the prophet (scw) once said in an authentic narration that this Ummah will follow the footsteps of those before them. And the companions asked what he meant "them". He replied, "the jewish and the christians". All am saying is this, they have a culture, and we have a better culture. Therefore, let's not attempt to borrow and adopt their values, because in reality we're the one that will lose if we deviate our cultural values. Ibros

Princess Sexy, Walaal, I understand your point, and there is nothing of misunderstandings whatsoever to my side with the issue at hand. I think am greatly advocating the total adherance to our beautiful Somali culture, and you (and of course, the people that are in line with you, in terms of the view points you incline to) are simply pushing for changes to qualize our sociaty to that of the western values. Abaayo/Aboowe, can you tell me where in the history of Somali people we've seen a man in the presence of his wife's delivery. I think that is only accuring now, and we need to fight against that happining in our sociaty. Don't misunderstand me here. If circumstance dictates and need comes, then its Ok. I've no problem helping my wife. But for the mere imitation of western culture, I think that is when am obliged to preserve my culture by all means.

That is an excellent move to launch a New Section for Somali Langauge, Masha-Allah. I personaly welcome that move. And may Allah reward your efforts. Let's initiate constructive discourse where we can educate our people in setting forum pages where they can exchange their views.

Baashi, You really make me laugh, lol! I don't have any discontempt with the position, but I hate working as a public adminstrator. Your creativity to forming such non-existant organization impresses me, indeed. Keep up the good works, bro. N.B. did you forget Ms/Mr. Vicking?

Oh, sorry, I didn't see lazygirl's remarks pertaining to the reaction of the other person. Hey, lazygirl, am another lazyboy, indeed. lol I think you are fair for everything about the American Press. Domination is the very sigle most problem that many Americans are complaining about, at least these days. There is a growing awareness for that, and things will change soon. Even the jewish educators on the field of journalism are coming to the point of major conflicts, based on they some of them see as the interest of jewish socaity, while others are considering the domination is the absulate intention they fought for. Read this book titled BAIS, by Goldberg. 30 years of journalistic experience led him to blow the inner systematic lies and fabrications within the ranks of CBS newsroom officials. I know they own the news and some of the major publishing companies, but they don't own my analytical capacity to filter closely and criticaly whatever they fabricate. I once wrote this long somali article about the media deceptions, and the methods they use to make a reality of their own that doesn't exist: Maxaa Ka Taqaan Saxaafada Galbeedka? Waxaa Maalmahan caada noqotay cajaa’ibta aan kala joogsiga lahayn ee aan kala kulano guud ahaan saxaafada reer galbeedka, taasoo si bareero ah uga beensheegto dhacdooyinka caalamka ka jira gaar ahaan, muslimiinta. Bahalnimada saxaafada galbeedka ma ahan arin ku tumid kadis ee waxaa jirta taarkhk iyo kacdoon ay salka ku hayso, lana kowsatay xligii soo ifbaxa madbacadaha iyo telegraph-ka oo ah qalabisgaarsiineed oo kara gudbinta qoraalada iyo masawirada. Waxaana 1844-kii hirgashay daabacaada jaraa’idada kusoo baxa cadad fara badan, gaar ahaan, Mareykanka iyo Yurubta. Mid ka mid ah raggii sida wayn uga faa’iideystay wuxuu ahaa Joseph Pulitzer oo xiligaas ku guuleystay inuu soo saaro muda yar gudaheed cada ka badan 250, 000 oo jaraa’id. Waxaa maanta loogu magac daray Maraykanka biladda qaaliga ah ee la siiyo suxufiga sida xad-dhaafka ah u muujiya howl-karnimo. Balse waxaa is waydiin mudan arimaha ka caawiyay saxaafada inay heer sare gaarto, waliba ay noqoto isha ay sida gaarka ah uga biya cabaan guud ahaan dadwaynaha galbeedka. Marka hore bulshada reer galbeedka dhaqankeedu dabiici ahaan uma arkin dhibaato xanta, hadalka macna-darada ah, fadeexada iyo sheekooyinka dhalanteedka ah. Sidaas darteed, saxaafada waxay noqotay miro ka dhashay natiijadii dhaqanka bulshada iyo dabeecadihii ay ku hanwayneed oo lagu hormariyay qalabka warbaahinta. Marka labaad, waxaa jirtay fursad uu oqfka muwaadinka la yiri xaq wuxuu u leeyahay inuu kucabiro ra’yigiisa hadba wuxuu dareensan yahay, balse ay saxaafada u adeegsatay hab xeeladeysan iyadoo dadwaynaha lagu madadaalinayo. Warar iyo akhbaaro kala duwan oo aan qofka ku xamaarayn inuu ficil qaado ama macna wanaagsan kala soo baxo, bulsho ahaan iyo siyaasad intaba. Marka sadexaad, xiisaha iyo jacaylka ay dadka u qabaan helida akhbaarta iyo wararka iska soo dabadhaca ee maalinlaha ah, taasoo saxaafada siisay door xad-dhaaf ah oo ay ku samayso wararka. Iyadoo ay saxaafadu tixgalinayso xiisaha dadwaynaha ee ku aadan wararka, waxaa dadka warka sameeya (suxufiyiinta) ka go’an inay xitaa hadeey ka fursan waydo sameeyaan warar been-abuur ah iyo sheekooyin xaqiiqda ka fog hadana ku dhisan malapawaal iyo qiyaas. Tusaale ahaan, siyaabaha been-abuurka ah ee wararka .......... Sorry guys, I couldn't find the rest of the article. I emailed it to myself, but I only find that portion of it. It is hopefuly in one of my many floppy dics.

J11, I heard The Guardian and The Independent Newspapers are very moderate and neautral. They cover every delicate issue with how it is. I don't know much about the BBC heads, but I think it is never partial enough according to my assessments for how they obviously refrain from being caught in state of disloyalty to the west and in particular to the British sociaty.

Speaking on behalf of Qacboro, he will not be there.