Mr. NGONG said, This was a non-believer who criticised a religion. He did what non-believers often do. The “Muslim†reply was harsh, savage and probably not Islamic. I say probably, in case I’m wrong. Though I’d be surprised if his murder was confirmed to be legal in an Islamic sense He used three words that I regarded very critical to the efforts of those who defend their religion in any acceptable means HARSH, SAVAGE, AND NOT ISLAMIC. And in response to that, Baashi says this, “Ngonge (if u don’t mind yaa Raami), I’m with you on this one sxb. I gotta tell you Ngonge you are one of the few nomads in this site that I enjoy reading their thoughts. Simple, articulate, eloquent, and to the point, some of your posts are more than awesome sxb. Plz contribute more, if you would, in Debate section of the forum Indeed, am very confused about the flip-flopping state of these people! Our religion is under attack round the clock, and none of them is acting in defense of it. Those who acted are smeared on their backs. No wisdom, no courage and no meaningful position. I can see the absense of sound knowledge in their writings, and thus they are running around and calling each other 'articulate, eloquent and awesome'. Walaahi aduunkaan dadka qaarkiis waa wax lala yaabo, cajiib. Ilaahoow nahanuuni, adaa hanuunka bixiyee, aamiin.

Walaal vicking, The issue of voting is generaly considered to be an impermissible one, unless otherwise there is an important maslaxa or necessity for the Ummah. I can hardly relate or depend on to sh. Qartawi's opinion on voting, especially in countries of non-sharia laws, because there are clear indications from the Quran that warn the consequences for taking part of Taquut; anything other than Allah. I can reffer you many Islamic books that covered a great deal of political participation in an unislamic systems, but check this site, www.islaam.com and go to lectures, scroll down to the speakers list, then click Salim Morgan, the title of the lecture is "Islamic Political Process". I find very interesting how the shiekh is grounding his evidences on the issue of voting in America. enjoy the lecture, bro/sis.

Assalaamu Caleykum aqyaarta. First of all, let's deeply understand the intrinsic aspects and the intentions of the west when they say anything, as in this case, about integration or assimilation. I think there are two forms of integration/assimilation (the two words for me are in the same line of definition) (1) value integration/assimilation and (2) people integration/assimilation. I think as Muslims in the west, our physical integration occurs everyday in the form of normal interactive dealings with the people of the west. We do this because we live and share the non-muslims with one environment. This form of integration or if I put it "volentary physical assimilation" doesn't lead to any tangible mental impacts. Therefore, the recommendations of the Center of Strategic and International Studies were not intended to address physical integration, I assume. But more to encourage on values integration so as to maintain a unification of cultural values in favor of one value, i.e. the dominant cultural value. I deeply understand the objectives of the west, especialy its campaign to set one common value that will enable for its sociaty to properly function one way. I am afraid this will never happen because Muslims at large are well aware and gaining of course some political maturity to detect the traps of the west, which is perpetual and coordinated to set up the Muslims. This growing awareness within Muslims will make their (West) integrational attempts more impossible and failing as a consequence of the West's known vicious intentions as well as its tarnished reputation. There are many instances we can offer about the hidden and sometimes open agenda of the west's concerted efforts to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims, but its yet unclear to see any historic momentum they attained in this regard, because a racialist policy doesn't ever win a satisfactory integration. One of the respected forefront chairman and subcommitee on homeland security has said once, "Just turn (the sheriff) loose and have him arrest every Muslim that crosses the state line". Can his brother ask for any meaningful integration with the Muslims? What about this well known columnist's remarks after 911 which perfectly implies their dearly inclined integration, "We should invade (muslim) countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". That means we can only make them like us if we exercise that coersive theory. It never happen in the history of human beings that a soceity of well moral and constructive ethical standards who is taking the footsteps of an immoral and highly decayed one. The Mongols who forcefuly invaded the Muslims were finaly swallowed without any force by the high disciplinary Islamic culture, and that has led to the Mongolian forces to accept Islam smoothly. As Brother Malcolm X has said interestingly about the notion of integration "the only integration I embrace is that of coffee and milk." Therefore, I think its crystal clear for many people that we (as human beings) are in the final stages of total disintegration in terms of values and moral grounds. Look at the extreme desparities of everything, political disparity, social and economic disparity, moral disparity, and so forth. We are, indeed, heading to a direction that is only known by Allah, and whatever predictive assessments we make, the chances are no one can surmise anything in an unprecedented world of realities. Ibros (Alle-ubaahne)

Ok ameenah, my too-young-looking sister. Tell me about your wedding, please!

ehehehehe, that is funny indeed! Ameenah, look, you take off the picture, that is a tricky way to tackle my peircing curriosity, lol Look, is that supposed to be a poetry? I like though, its perception, perception and of course the irresistible perception!

Shabella, Now you are trying to degrade my financial well-to-do integrity and personality. Please, let's delve into the matters of our concern if there is any need whatsoever in that regard, or else cease your degrading assaults against me, OK. If you think white man alone is rich, then you are absulately ignorant about the essence of wealth and richness!

Shabella, Look abaayo, tell me the closest in proximity "xawaalo" or remittance in your area, just to proof my filthy richness! come on, don't let your preconceived judgments collide against this opportunity. You like money, which is plenty at me, and I like gorgeous girls. So let's make the deal now. :eek:

Shabella, Abaayo, I think am the right man for you. Please hurry for jumping head-on to me, I promise our wedding is going to become the headline of most major newspapers in the world. Am inflicted with excessive wealth with no plan to do, so I guess you are fortunate to decorate it with yourself. I like wasteful-spenders and extravagant girls.

Miss Moderator Ameenah, you look young from what I see on the displaying picture, so don't you think you hastened to marriage? I can detect your high level superior intellect, but physically it appears to me that you are incapable to handle the burden of marriage. Am surmising here with my assumptions, sorry if I pressed you hard. I am in my twenties, and still suffering from the marraige anxiety. this fear may lead to me to a position where my family attempts to step in and decides for me by offering the prettiest chick of the family so as to overcome the chronic singleship. I think am waiting for that thing to happen! I find interesting the benefits of arranged marriage; no hasstle and no shukaansi. That is cool.

Mutakalim, You always fail to understand the underlying concepts of any subject by engaging some trivial and unimportant matters. Your failing philosophy displays this incompetent impression of you! assimilation and integration are nothing but the same words in literal sense of the whiteman's linguestic books! I understand the meaningless advocacy you wage for the secular west and its psuedo idealism, but none of those things are acceptable within the Somalis. I discussed with you a while ago about the concept of existantialism in which you insisted the existance of Allah is technically and intellectually unverifiable because your western science says so! You take that argument to your mentaly imbalanced scholars as well. Such people of your likes irritate me when I see their faulty reasoning which is nothing but to pretend white man by acting as their beloved rep. agent. That is so sickening, indeed! Please let these charming people of ours enjoy here by ceasing your meaningless advocacy and smearing back our Islamic values, can you?

Classique , I need to learn Arabic, abaayo. And I see that you are very much versed the Arabic language, so do you think you can benefit me at least partialy of what you know about that beautiful language? I once asked for an advice from an Arabian guy, and he said, "if you want to learn Arabic language so effectively, you need to marry an Arab woman". That has realy discouraged me, indeed. What would you suggest me to do for learning Arabic without encoutering its grammer, because I heard the grammer is more confussing than the conventional unstructured forms.

Marka ugu horeysa waxaan halkaan mahadcelin buuxda uga soo jeedinayaa dhalinyarada sharafta leh ee uu J11 ka mid yahay, oo dhexda u xirtay iney nooleeyaan luuqadeena hooyo. Walaalayaal, howshaan aad inoo horseedeen waa mid runtii qaali ah una baahan fakar iyo iskaashi maskaxeed. Sidaas darteed hadaan isku dayyo inaan wax ka iraahdo aragti ahaan erayada lasoo bandhigay qaarkood inaan ka jawaabo, waxaan oran lahaa sidatan: Pink = Jaalle-Xigeen Institution = Xarrun. Tusaale ahaan, Economic Institute waxaan ku fasiri lahaa, Xarrunta Dhaqaale. Telephone = Hadal-Qaade. Tusaale ahaan, hadaan soomaaliyeeyo, "Ma iisheegi kartaa Hadalqaadahaaga tiradiisa"? Maroon = Boor, oo aan ula jeedo midabka boor xigeenka ah. Calendar = Eray ka fiican Wakhtisuge uma haayo aniga, marka gabartaas runtii waa ku mahadsan tahay sidey noogu faa'iideysay. Chart = Khariirad, ama Shaxan Waxaan rabay inaan idin weeydiiyo, erayga Dulsaar la yiraahdo maxaa lagu dhahaa English-ka? Mise jiraa eray la macna ah oo English ah. Sababta aan idiin weeydiiyay waxay tahay markaan qaamuuska English-ka baaray waxaa iisoo baxday eraygaas inuusan jirin, waa aragtideyda inta aan ogahay. Bal ii faa'iideeya hadaad wax ogtihiin, aqyaarta sharafta leh.

Originally posted by Gaasira: According to Professor Maxamed Cali Nuux, Professor of African History (who is also a linguist and former Dean of Lafoole), Af Maay and Af Soomaali are one and the same. So, in reality there is only Af Maay and Af Maxaa Tiri/Tidhi, both of which are Somali. He studied the origins of the Somali language and found that the Somali language is close to (or originates from) Oromo and Afar languages. Afar is the oldest of the three followed by Oromo and then Somali. I can’t think of the title of professor Nuux’s research at moment (this was his Ph.D. thesis for UCLA), but I shall find it if anyone is interested. I don't buy the arguments that tell us to believe our language or as Somali people were originated from Oromo or Pharoans/Faraaciinta. That Professor's thesis must be a bogus, because if you read the book that is titled Taariikhda Soomaaliya, by Prof. Liiqliiqato, you find different stories about the Origin of Somali people, which I believe is in contridiction with what the western-educated talking heads preach. Nomadically, Somalians are more stable in the primitivity of the culture and nomadic living standards, while the other ethnicities in the Horn had been facing different stages of cultural fluctuations and norms because of colonial invations and alien influences.

DraGon, Are you here to uncover the tactics of Miss OG Girl? Come on, that is not a relevant behaviour. Let's assume that everything she wrote belonged to her, but what happen after all I said, forward your agenda and world views, and yet she prolonged in silence! OG Girl, my waiting session is over, I guess.

Chrisma, Finaly I've got someone on my side, masha-allah. Many thanks to you sister. By the way, Qacbaro, you need to look at the condition of the Quranic Schools at home: the majority of the Xaafidul-Quraan are girls. Therefore that tells you their role in Islam is exceedingly upredicatable in terms of shiiqnimo, and so forth. And you should be proud of their attainments, my brother.

Qacbaro, Sax waa runtaa, gabdhaha ciyaalka hala joogaan, raguna badarka ha raadshaan. Howshu waa sidaas.

Dear Besbaaso, Our excellent prophet, (scw) said, in a xadiith narrated by Abdullahi ibn Cumar Al'caas, "The world is nothing but a temporary conveniences, and the greatest joy in this world is a rightious woman". Therefore, I strongly would like to have a righteous wife, who can enable me teste the joy in this life. I need not the kind of wife who knows nothing but the western way of life. Am a simple Somali man. My demands are doable. I am only excercising within my rights as a Muslim. That is all, abaayo. By the way abaayo, can you read this article? It simply sheds some light on the characteristics of a Muslim/Somali woman, OK, deal done! http://www.islamhouse.com/en/books/pdf/en2294.pdf http://www.islamhouse.com/en/books/pdf/en2294.pdf

Originally posted by Qacbaro: alle ubahne i agree she is one of the girls who are islam minded 24hrs in here. although most of the girls here have clean heart and they all are good in their way... but bro there lots of sisters who are religious just like rahima in here.. 1. sisade 2. concious manipulation 3. Buubto and many more that i don't remember now.. Yes, brother Qacbaro. She, rahiima, suprised me once I read about her position on the Somalis who were attending the recent Olympics in Athens, and since then I closely observe her remarks, which I believe arouses my curiosity. Though, am new here, I think I'll gradualy learn the rest of the other sisters who are in line with Rahiima, in terms of Islamic knowledge. My question to you, brother, "Is there Baro-family in this forum?", I always read from people that complain about those brothers who have the B-A-R-O at the end of their names. enlight me of this question, pls.

Rahiima, You are the girl! The only Islamicaly-versed girl in the forum. Masha-allah, the future victory of Islam resides what the likes of Rahiima produce for Islam. In other words, It takes good mothering to bring out the best of humanity. Our girls who are educated in the western institutions are seen thesedays as more than the devote girls who kept the entire Quran at heart, only because those girls are western minded, subxaanalaah, that is a tragic, alien concepts invading and deluting our pure thinking pattern! I am sure most of this forum participants don't consider (xaafidul Qur'aan) or the person who knows the Qur'an by heart, an Educator. But a psychopath who studied the decietful and the most meaningless art of psychology, English, or politics is known as, (ka leexda waa aqoonyahankiiye, Jaamici, or macalin-sarre). :eek: I agree with Rahiima, what matters is nothing but the Islamic education. Take a look at all the killers and fraudersters who spread the curroption on earth are highly educated in the secular studies... does that make a sense? Of course to them, esp. their wives and so forth, but to us, Muslims, it doesn't supposed to be the yardstick to judge when it comes education. Why can't we ask, who should be higher in piety, or who is more human being and honest when it comes to marraige?

Ok, OG Girl Now, tell me your application of the sharia governance? As of now, am here to read whatever you submit thru this forum pages.

OG Girl, I disagree strongly abaayo. EU can never be a modal for the Muslim Ummah. I don't know if you are familier the current economic complications of the Euro monatery. There are an emerging new disputes as to who should decide and balance the overall ecomony of EU, bankers or government financial institutions. One of the major factors that brought the EU members together was to expand the economic activity within the envisioned european territories, and that is appearing to many analyst as an impossible reality, because of the underlying gigantic problems pertaining to the decision making aspects and the powerful nations who are subjugating others to accept their strategies. My point is this, EU is not a role modal for the Muslim ummah, period. Our role modal is clear, the Quran, and the traditional prophetic ahaadiith. Ma fahamtay, hadda?

Our # 1 public health priority should be tackling the foreign imported deceases. Its a very sad reality that Somalians are introduced experimental drugs, some are even expired. Think about the junk expired food they (UN Agencies) donate us! Each and every so-called humanitarian assistance is an attempt to further complicate our well-being as a sociaty. I beleive the civil unrest is outweighted by the other health crisis in our country. Let's find a meaninful solution to solve the overwhelming problems we're faced now.

Originally posted by Qacbaro: mash'allah feebaro ur maah maah killed me.. Well, Qacbaro, your Somalisized-english reminds me the guy who said to his wife, "I open you, because you cut my leg".

Originally posted by besbaaso: somealien....sis....thank you for stating this view....i said almost the same thing and i ended sounding like some western influenced chick.....lol @ different opinions...... much respect Dear Besbaaso, Most of us, here in the west, are partially influenced by the western people we interact with. So don't think that our opinions can't reflect the mindset we're given on the bases of cultural assimilations. By the way, do you like Malcolm X? here you can listen many of his interesting lectures on many aspects, www.brothermalcolm.net Enjoy it, ok.

Devil's Activist, You wrote, Do you know how much education costs these days? "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance" You remind me that bumper sticker. But anyway, I think none of you guys are talking about the Islamic education. Education in most of your common definitions is the so-called secular/material and worldly studies. The real education is the study of Islam. It is what matters in both lifes! Did you say Edutainment, or Islamic Education?