Originally posted by Garab Tuujiye: Lol ale u baahne... waraa shaqo la'aan intee kaa badatay baa waxaa keentay hada in aa magaceega daqartid...geedyahoo wijigiisa aad u qabtid "dooli marqaamay" you most def'need ILAAHEEY..lol.. waraa sxb aniga wax kama qabo gabdhahaan xiranaayan waxa ku dhagan aslong as ee la xiran xijaab.lol..dhar aa u qabtid in lagu kor "tole" aygoo xiran, intee soo xirtaan ee xijaab kusii qabanaayaan. Markaasee kaa horkeenayaan "salama caleykum"..jaaaaaaja..wiligee salaantaas qofkama qaaday anigoo fiiris baabah kaga dhigay..lol na'mean... wareer badanaa!!!!!!!!! Garab Tuujiye, Saaxiib hadaan arki lahaa dooli marqaamay waan kula qosli lahaa, oo waxaan dhihi lahaa aleylahey ninkaan wuxuu sheegay wax cajiib leh, laakiin waan ka xumahay inuusan jirin dooli marqaamay, xitaa aan wali lagu qorin jaraai'dada kasoo baxa meelaha qaadka lagu iibsho. Fiiri, hada waxay kaaga dhagan tahay soo maaha naag la fiirsho oo indhaha laga kaarikeesto? ehehe, abti maa iska guursatid hadeey xaajada sidaas tahay, maxaa kugu wato inaad meel ciriiri ah wax ka raadisid. Mideeda kale mawaadan ka baqeyn in sida aad naagaha u fiirsaneysid lagaaga fiiriyo naagtaada, ama cunugta aad dhali-doontid, ama ... ama ... ama and so forth? War iyo dhamaantiis, waa kuu jeedaa shactaro inaa wax kaga dharagtid aa rabtaa, laakiin been makuu sheegaayo saaxiib shactaro iyo indha-indhees wax naag looga qaadaayo ma jirto, ee masaajidka kuugu dhow is gee, oo imaamka ku dheh, adeer waa iiga cadahay hala ii kaalmeeyo qoftoo macquul ah oo iga fiican ha la igu qabto. Then, wareerka waaku daayay, adiga iyo indha indhees maalintaas aa kuugu danbeeso. Hadii kale, iska soon, si ximada ku heeso kaaga dhamaato, OK. That was your simple brother Alle-Ubaahne.

Garab Tuujiye, Magac xumidaa ninyahow, adaaba ka daran gabdhaha aad sheegtay oo xirta dharka ku dhagan. Waxaana ka siman tihiin adiga iyo gabdhahaas hal arin: Aduunka maanta maalin uu ka dhar badan yahay ma jirto, sidaas ey tahayna waa aragtaa gabdho xiran wax aad is leedahay talow ma dharkii baa ka yaraaday, sidoo kale, adiga magacaaga wuxuu ilaah magacyo fiifiican badiyay ma waxaad ka dooratay inaad la baxdid Garab Tuujiye oo macna qalafsan xambaarsan. Wareer badanaa! lol

ehehehe, I realy find the author of this particular forum very interesting. I read it two times, and I couldn't make any sense out of it. Is she for freedom or against freedom? Can anyone help us here understand the intended meaning so as to proceed and debate about her (assumingly) interesting topic. Walaahi I like her English, at least she is trying hard to make a point. Let's engage this subject and delve in from different perspectives.

Interesting! Your defense skills had totaly disappeared, right? Ok, Professor Drinker. I let you go if you chosen that way, but watch out your faulty integrationist believes. Watch out, as well, your drinking and writing habits. Watch out the danger of integration advocacy. And finaly, watch out the consequances of what you do today for the Hereafter. Wishing you the best luck, insha allah, and be mindful to restrain your slurrs from others. Because, caayda aa taqaanid iney dad kugu dirto maahee wali qofna kaama celin. Dagaalkeena was prompted by your choice of abusive words, therefore, I brotherly advice you to overcome your ciyaalnimo attitude. May I say forgive me forgive you?

ehehe, The toxic in your head is still causing you to swirl around and jump to my already supported case against your weak and defenseless arguments. Man, you need to respond or else admit your mental stagnation on issues of black and white. Mr. Professor, I know you like people calling you professor, but in my definition, your professorship stands for drinking and writing for the advocacy of integration. By the way, did you KNOW the converted Somali guy in the article? I imagine you were somewhere in the Arabian countries before you moved to England, (as indicated on your membership tag in SOL), to submit for your dearly inclined integration with the white man. Am very interested, as well, to know your genuine position on Ayan Xirsi. I know she is your supposedly hero for integration in the fullest sense. I sense you are always afraid to admit your alliegancy for those infamous people, but sometimes in the midst of your drunk-writing, certain fullproof words slip of your unprincipled mouth, and unfortunately that reveals the danger in yourself as an extreme integrationist. I would say to you, please take your heels away from these forums since you can't persuade anyone with your love-based integrationism. I don't think anyone is interested to listen your marginal, outcasted and wicked philosophy of integration. You have no valid credibility in your once-up-on-a-time people, Somalis. You lost in the forest of white society, pushing and pretending round the clock to knee down for their values. You finaly had chosen for yourself to live in a toxic life, and dream for the advocacy of integration with a society that doesn't approve your infinitely unproductive self. Please, don't despair, there is always a way out from the self-inflicted mess you are in now. Just ask for help, and stop your meaningless adherence to that suicidal idea of western integration. Also, cease your destructive habit of drinking and writing once and for all. And whatever credibility that you've lost in this battle, may be I am glad to restore it for you gradualy by spreading substantial advertisements of good news about you. Now, its your personal responsibility to retreat from that serious and degrading direction, and come clean from the believe of integrationism. I know you dislike about my truth, but remember I once was this guy you had in faith of his idealism. I can become a cytalist for your correction. But again, you need to consider those progressive guidelines to save your self from further damages, ok. Good luck Professor NGONGE!

The following news article is a tragic direct result integration. This guy is a Somali of Arabian background; I meant he spent some time of his life in Arab countries. I am realizing now that the integrationist people can do everything for the love of the west. Check this Gaal's story and how unfortunate he happen to be: Freed Somali Christian Arrives in New Zealand 'It was God who saved me,' Haji declares. By Barbara G. Baker | posted 9/6/00 Yesterday, four days after they flew out of Yemen, Somali Christian convert Mohammed Omer Haji and his family arrived for permanent religious asylum in Auckland, New Zealand. "This is a very far place here," a sleepy Haji told Compass by telephone today. More than 24 hours after their arrival, the Somali refugee said he and his wife Sarah were still sleeping off the four marathon days and nights they had spent in planes and airports between Yemen and New Zealand. After the initial leg of their journey to the Eritrean capital of Asmara, they were routed through Jeddah, Bombay, Singapore and Sydney. "Really it was God who saved me," the former Muslim told Compass. "I am happy that all the believers prayed for me everywhere, Christian people," Haji said. "It's a miracle that I am free." Haji, 27, was released from a Yemeni prison in Aden on August 24, seven weeks after a local judge threatened to execute him for apostasy if he did not return to Islam. The case was halted in the courts after it was reported in the international press. After extended negotiations with local representatives of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), under which Haji had official refugee status, the government of Yemen agreed to allow Haji and his family to be deported for resettlement elsewhere. A refugee living in Yemen since 1994, the Somali had converted to Christianity two years ago and adopted the name George. He was first jailed last January by Yemeni security police, who reportedly beat him and tried for two months to coerce him to return to Islam. Haji was later rearrested and put on trial in June for apostasy, a capital offense under the strict Islamic law observed in Yemen. "There is no religious freedom in Yemen," Haji commented. "Nobody knows about Jesus, and it's a sin to believe in Him." The former Muslim had been given a one-week ultimatum at his July 5 trial to recant his faith in Christ and return to Islam, or face execution. Four days later, he told Compass, the judge at a closed-door July 9 hearing on his case offered to "give me everything I wanted" if Haji would come back to Islam. "I don't want everything, I want Jesus Christ. I don't want anything else. If I die, I die with Jesus. He died for me and also for you," he said he told the judge. Although UNHCR staff were present at this hearing, Haji's court-appointed lawyer was neither informed nor invited. According to the Somali refugee, one of the many miracles he experienced while in jail for his Christian faith was actually forgiving the Yemeni policeman who had beaten him the most. "That man, he beat me so much," he said. "But I forgive him, because of Christ." Haji and his wife and son are being housed temporarily at the New Zealand Immigration Service's refugee resettlement center in Auckland. Several local churches have applied to sponsor the Haji's resettlement process since the New Zealand government offered the family asylum in late July. Do you see inside the mind of Integrationist People, they are realy all in love with everything about the White Man.

Professor Drinker, Caayda jooji hadaa rabtid in lagula hadlo, ok. Or else the upcoming chants will drive you more tense until you can't help but drink your western drugs for the good of remaining disoriented in the real world. Why can't you respond on my tons of questions if you were serious about debating. A dishonest traitor always knows nothing but to drink and escape the facts. That is too bad, Mr. Integrationist! Are you being patient so far? Look here, how many fingers do you see, (from my hand), just testing if the toxic in your mind has faded or not. Please don't drink and write at the same time.

Waa runtaa saaxiib, aniga waxaan dhihi lahaa aduunyo gadoonkii ayaa soo dhawee hala is diyaariyo oo ilaah haloo toobad keeni inteeysan qoraxda dhinaca kale kasoo bixin. Wax walba waala arkay waxaa dhiman kaliyah calaamadihii waaweynaa, markeey kuwaas bilowdaan, am sure things will drastically horrify us in the worst unpredictable scenerio.

All prophets of Allah were humans, does your philosophy consider them as diametrically selfish? If so, I wonder why you let those psychotic and unprincipled thinkers think for you!

Femme Fatale, ehehehe, your common sense impresses me indeed. Professor NGONGE, Are you insane here! Wait a minute....... Did you say I still have faith in you? The fraudulent wicked that you even consider him as the biggest ignorant swat! Remember I was your most despicable and irritating person in the forum. Is it possible that you wrote such statements under the influence of some drugs, (assuming that you preffer Vodka, the russian type of drinks which compell drinkers to excessively rely on it). Tell me, saaxiib, to be a westerner you need to be a proud drinker, since drinking is part of the culture you embraced. [True/False]. Like you know the somalis, you can't be Somali and not drink tea, right? Remember the famous Somali saying that says "Rag waa shaah iyo sheeko." Now, I have to be frank with you and decline your unworthy praises. Inform me the least reason, if any, to accept of your mindless praises when you harshly exercise your all-out assault on me. What happen to your Professorship, Mr. Westerner!? I thought you were more intellegent than that, how come you dismiss our animosity without any legal settlements, ehehe, i.e. without withdrawing from your westerner attitude and rejoin your long forgotten Somalis. Doctor Drinker, you can enjoy the slurrs you normaly throw at me, but not attempt any more praises, because each praise reveals your inability to stay on course and being resolute. I understand how remarkable you are, in terms of your loyalistic pretendency of western culture. And that is what matters here. Oh yeah, you selected that without anybody forcing you to it. I admit your honesty side for the west, but from my perspective, it makes you a major traitor. I concern your rapidly evolving personality and multi-dimensions. One side of a traitor while the other is an stoogy, combines this double personality of hypocracy. Well, you are an smart traitor here, cause you take that risky for a reason, just to expand your financial horizons. Your dramatic catchup with the western values deserves this big salutations. Let me know in case you attain something out of that deviation. At least your choices are not limited to spokesman positions, but you can as well apply for spy positions. Aren't you a fortunate that you are a linguist who speaks perfect Arabic. Its hot and of course a growing field. These should count as of now and then enhance your fading esteem, right? Finaly, Mr. NGONGE, whatever I say to you doesn't reflect my wrath against you, and you know what I mean for that. Most of my remarks pinpoint directly to your formless phillosophy rather than your personality. I certainly said traitor and stoogy to you, but that only applies the philosophy you adhere to as well as the mentors who brutally shaped yourself this way. My only remorse is that we are beginning to suffer from the colonial influences we resisted strongly, in a place where the resistance of my fellow NGONGE proved so futile for some materialistic reasons. Saaxiib, do you disagree that you sell off your ethnicity in the daylight? For what reasons? Let me soften my words, are you happy with where you are now? sorry, I can't visualize the bliss, if any, of integration and assimilation with the western cultures.

I wonder what is your faith, Professor. You call me fraud or fraudulist, cajiib, did you support that allegation against me? I don't want to insult you here, I know the rules and regulations of Somaliaonline. I respect those brothers who supervise the content of the forums, as J11 and his respected leutanents in the line of service. I don't want to be terminated from the system; may be you do, because I can see your vigelant to write unwisely and get away with it. You enjoy the impossibilities, oh yeah, that is true especially when you act as the unquestionable figure around these premises. May be you joined here long ago and had never seen anyone confronting your ostensibly weak arguments. Well, I advice professor to never batrey your weak and fragile propositions. You accuse me believing in Islam and being a proud Somali, do so, I welcome your dissatisfactions of my culture, but show me your borrowed western culture. Am sure you are not even loyal enough to defend western culture. Can you examine your weak and confused bondage to the west. May be you can do some self-help programs. You said 'am patient', tell me why you throwing the cheap vulgar at me, by calling me a fraud. I understand your unrefined remarks are never worth of attention. For now on, I should take the gallant path for not reacting to any of your boorish statements. Because you've being a repititious and weary advocate for integration. Ok, Professor. am not going to complian about you, I am man enough to disregard your western pretentiousness. And I don't either blame or mock because of where you had fallen in, it was the result of an early inferiority which has became subject to western culturations. There are many former Somalians who exactly took your course. They are all one thing in common; they suffer from authenticity and loss of both mental and physical identity. Aan kuu soo duceeyo, saaxiib. I am simply trying to examine your culpable fragility and weak arguments, and don't let that hasten to ruin you fabuluos day at the office, ok .

Yes, my respected Professor in the above. It seems that you stripped out from yourself the priviledge for being a proud Muslim and Somali. Too bad, indeed. Plus, I don't appreciate glancing at the true color you display now, but please allow us to have the opportunity to benefit from your expertise as a longtime integration-striken advocator. I know you can share with us something here, come on now Mr. NGONGE, present your case with some rationality. Am I pestering you, or dragging your immaculate reputation on the ground? As you said everytime in your postings, "its all about words on the screen". Consider this request and let your composure down while educating us the implications of western integration. Also, inform us please if there is any concievable advantage in integration and how long does it take one to fully develop in western influence after exposed to integration? Who can be mentaly prone to integration, ignorant people, kids women or the miseducated sycophants? I have questions to ask after you post your subsequent reactions, and please do so objectively to make us understand the pros and cons of integrationism since you are the expert. Your Dump Student, in need of your help

besbaaso, What action?? Do I know that action?

Plenty of good ones here!!!!!!! then you are bound not to complain about them. Mine is not anywhere around here, she must be somewhere in rural Somalia. and I am going to get her soon after I fully relocate my entire capital to Somalia, Allah willing.

Besbaaso, you sound one of those girls who are tired of these boys in the next door. And yet you expecting them to earn your hard-to-earn honor! ehehehehe, Look abaayo, you better visit back home and pick one of the remaining and rare men of old-version qualities. That is where the best is at, ok. and yes, quantun leap is right, you also need to refurbish your good qualities and work on your talents to gain the best around you. Just offering my fullproof suggestins to you......... forgive and forget if I offended you, ok.

Very sad and tragic one, indeed! Waan kugu raacsanahay Hasna runtii, in caruurta soomaali intii gaalo loo geyn lahaa lagu dadaalo sidii loogu raadin lahaa qoys muslimiin ah ama Soomaali ah. Sababtoo ah waala ogyahay dhibaatada ey caruurta ka dhaxlaan nolosha gaalada, sida kufsiga, faraxumeynta, maandooriyaha, edebxumo, iyo gaalnimo oo waxaas oo dhan ka daran. Let's invoke prayers for those families in crisis, because at least our prayers matters most if we can't be at any help to them. It realy saddens me when I heard such things, but the ones to blame are nothing but the criminal warlords and the so-called contributors (qaaraanka qabiilka) for the warring factions. May Allah eliminate those AIDS-like (The violent and non-voilent racists) people among us who fuel and perpetuate the atrocities against our innocent people in everywhere. Aamiin

Asalaamu Caleykum, I guess its time to proceed the debate of integration and assimilation. And here I will quickly discuss about the fact that integration is not the primery tool and instrument for us, (Somalis) to succeed in the west. I believe, the loss of our cultural and religious values lies under the disguise of integration and assimilation to a sociaty that doesn't have the value that is compatible to our standardship of values. The west in general don't have an acceptable cultural elements for us to integrate as far as I know, and if any of you knows other than that, you can educate now. But before we even discuss about integration, why we shouldn't consider where the west stands our unwilling integration to their sociaties? I think its very important to look at the initial reason that has brought many of us here which is the forced displacements of our homeland, due to the civil unrest. There are many reasons to believe that our displacements were mainly responsible by the west, but am afraid that is not the debate at hand, therefore, we may shed some light on that issue later. Most of us came here without having any legitimate sociatel approval or permission to settle other than the western governments' interest driven by the demand of major corporate company's need to bolster their economy with cheap and slavery-wage workers, as immigrants like us who had contributed to their growing ecomony in part. If you check places in the west where somalis are concentrated in large numbers, you find the work force sector is doing much better than the other sectors. A prime example for that is the State of Minnesotta, in the U.S. Prior to the arrival of somali immigrants in the west, there were many black and muslim minorities who were refused for many reasons to integrate to the dominant culture, and their historical experience is self-evidant in terms of the different stages as being disliked and unwanted memories of setbacks they had to pass through for the mere idea of integration. The west has being the sameness of meaning with the term racism, and for instance, every time the white America took fight to other nations, it has to deploy thousands of blacks for the mere and yet undelivered promises of integration, among other things, and equal opportunity. Bear in mind that these blacks were Christians who have done everything to qualify the unexisting category of white integrationism, but finaly become very dissatisfied of their deceptions. Now, if we come to analize the proposed integration of the America's think tank institute of international and strategic studies, there is no doubt that their intention is no different to that which they decietfuly refused the African-americans. However one attempts to seduce and flirt with the easy acceptance of western culture, the undeniable result will be something of an automatic disposition of racialism and rejection. And don't tell me there is any distinguishable dissimilarities in nature between christian whites in various corners around the world. But we have to ask why we (Somalians) resist this offer of integrationism. First of all, our culture is very much twisted with Islam, and given our historical resistance of any foriegn culture, we can never exchange a healthy culture for a decayed one. Personaly I consider the somali culture very healthy, because it has no outside influences; its authentic and original. If one assumes the Islamic elements of our culture as an Arab influences, then I should ask that person to bring forth the cultural differences of Arabs in one hand and the somalis on the other, by detaching Islam. Do you see my point? Oh yeah, we apparently differ culturaly. But anyway every culture that is being characterized with Islam is a perfect culture, because Islam is a perfect religion. It perfects everything. Therefore, our culture before it was dilluted by the notion of tribalism was a perfect one, and I think we're on the final realizations to purify ourselves from such tribal stagnations. Secondly, our culture deserves to be preserved and even embraced by others (non-somalis) because of its rich values from many aspects. I understand how few narrow minded individuals among us are linking failure in the west as a lack of integration, which I think is a gross lie, but integration was not even one of the slightest reasons that enabled the first generation of Korean Immigrants in America to become financially independant. It was indeed a hard work plus productive efforts to sustain for their lives in a country of racism. I personaly have experienced some brothers who solely stayed here in America for less than three years and successfuly leading a productive life that is free from working any company; they are self-employers in definition. Does that amaze you even when they can't speak english, and yet interacting others through sometimes symbolic gestures or sign languages! Ehehe, runtii. However, integration is probably the interest of those who are inferior and can't overcome the fear and worrisome state in mind. I don't think anyone with a sound integrity and morale can go ahead and accept the meaningless membership of integration. Certainly not me! We don't need integration, we need an integrity preservation so as to preserve ourselves with spiritual superiority. Spiritual Superiority? That is taqwaa, God consciousness; its what differentiates between the desirable qualities in men and the undesirable qualities. N.B: Can I ask Professor NGONGE to englight us with his expereinces from white/foriegn integrationism?

I guess a very important case to study about the subject of internet disorder is the Paltalk users. I sometimes join in there, and find many people who are very obssessed in paltalk and overly use it. Most of them, i believe, had already developed the internet syndrome, which they mainly utilize the chatting sections. The excessive use of internet, from somali perspective, I think has alot to do with the quest of searching friends, and that indeed plays a significant role. I sometimes hear people marrying after meeting over cyber chattings. Somalis are not alone in this case, however, stock brokers do develop this type of disorders, since their work revolves on the internet. Yes, we need to find some solutions for these emerging problems. And one of the effective solutions to tackle from the excessive use of internet is to discourage people from this habit, by linking some fear to it. That fear could be blindness, gradual loss of memory, and so forth. Oh, I guess, using a lie to solve a problem is another big detrimental. eheheh, Maybe you guys can come up an effective remedy for this alarming concern.

NGONGE, Nice try, mr. professor! Let's postpone the war on words for tomorrow, saturday. lol

Haye vicking, Where abu Hanifa is saying that, no killing, just imprisonment? I guess you can't prove what Prof. NGONGE has failed to prove. I will listen whatever you present, but be ready for any rejections if that will not comform the purest sense of Islam.

ehehehehehe, that is funny, indeed. So you grew up in Arabia! Very interesting. Fiiri saaxiib, why do somalis who were raised in Arab countries have always the tendency to intermingle suddenly with the whites and come up this western-wanna-be attitude? Walaahi been makuu sheegaayo, I see the worst somalis are those who grew up in Arabia because they whole-heartedly assimilate to the western cultures! Am talking about a large disproportional number of born in arab or influenced somalis. I read this book, the autobiography of Edward Said, a palestinian thinker, written by a western educated somali scholar of Arabian background. The first thing you can detect of his writtings is the love affair he has with the western culture. I wonder why this excessive inclination towards western culture exists with somali arabs and not others. Does this inferiority reflects the treatments of real arab experiences? tell me saaxiib, walaahi am very amazed how simple our people of arabian backgrounds are. Somalians are known for one thing: superior resistance of other cultures. I don't hate Arabs, and have no any problem with Arabs, i.e. the muslim arabs, but I don't like following their culture. We have Islam in common, and also certain cultural similarities. But I think its part of the compelled assimilations that many of your fellow arab-influenced folks had inherited which follows in the same trend when they arrive in western territories. Saaxiib, you finally disclosed yourself, and that draws me some laughter, lol. By the way, I don't want to perpetuate this criticism-like observations, but since you are like my brother, please revive your Somalinimo and be couragious enough to develop the typical superior self-confidence that were attributed to us, as sociaty. Ok, Mr. NGONGE, Professor of Everything. Its all about to remind your fading esteem and long-forgotten somali culture. Nabadeey

Look saaxiib, I fully respect you as a muslim, and somali brother. But I oppose the entire philosophy you stand for. You think the killing of that criminal was wrong, according to your western-minded perception, and I think it was absulately the right thing to do. Because he offended our religion, period. Not only that is my opinion, but its also how our religion rules such cases. If you don't believe me, ask the people of knowledge. Its obvious that you are more than wrong here. And indeed we are fortunate that your position is marginal and off the mark from the majority of muslim community. Now, let's come back to the issue of integration and assimilation and allow others to proceed the debate. I think its unsatisfactory to further delve in our disagreements, because of the underlying fundamental differences of our views. Can I say ask you one thing? Are you one of the so-called highly integrated new wave of somalis to the dominant western culture? How do you see yourself, less than somali and more like western? Because everything you say revolves the western values and how their thought pattern functions. I don't mean to offend you here, I simply would like to know where you stand from the Somali culture.

Mr. NGONGE, It seems that you are legitimizing something that is very much in contradiction with the teachings of Islam. In Islam, there is no dispute whatsoever as to the treatment of Murtad. The quran and the Sunnah speak precisely about the exact punitive justice for murtad without any discrepancies. And my question to you is how come your little knowledge doesn’t relate to any references on the bases of Islam? Where did you get that? According to the wide spread consensus of the Ulumaa, it was said, †The punishment prescribed by the shari'a for apostacy is death.†Check the many books of the major scholars under the subject of apostasy, you find numerous instances where there is clearly ruled the punishment of the murtad. So far, I can’t see where you took the so-called disputes between the scholars on the issue of murtad punishments. Let’s not talk about views or what some people think of something outside the Islamic premises. I don’t mind talking about the analysis of certain views, but the subject we’re engaging here is at religious perspectives, and there is no room for us to exercise our surmises and personal point of view. Therefore, its always a wise thing to refrain from such mischievous falsehoods over Islam. This is a warning for you and I, in case we mistakenly overlook the consequences of that. Now, you said, “The film maker was not a Muslim†therefore, he, “is not the first ever non-believer to criticise Islamâ€. I found two gross mistakes from here. First you implied the gaal as a peaceful one, and dismissed his hostile warring blasphemy. And secondly, you painted his major blasphemy as nothing but a simplistic by extenuating and minimizing his blasphemy as criticism. I think you know English more than me, but tell me why you choose criticism instead of blasphemy? Or may be in this case you are a self promoted human rights activist, which I don't mind, but please, speak of the truth and be objective. The gaal has done what even many non-believers viewed as a major violation, of course, in any religion and law. Look my brother, in physics there is a newtonian theory which says every action has a subsequent reaction. I can say the film has a purpose and so do the killing. You mentioned Amar ibn Hisham, as known as Abu Jahal, while comparing to the assassinated filmmaker. First of all, Abu jahal lived in a period when Islam was in its infancy, and according to Imam Bukhari, Allah’s prophet was protected from the harms of Abu Jahal, and his likes. He once attempted to harm the prophet, and on his way to do so, he saw the hell before the prophet. Secondly, when the prophet, (scw) was in Makkah, the focus of Islam was concentrated on Tawheed, i.e. the pure monotheism. Later in Medinah was the time when the jurisdictions were revealed and along that period were introduced the punishment, among other things, of those who throw blasphemy/critical insults to Allah (sw) or his prophet, (scw). Therefore, this filmmaker(gaal)has never lived in that period where Islam was ineffective in the Arabian Peninsula and there was no jurisdiction for such things, which I think your comparison is asking that to happen, rather things had occurred in a time when everything is in place, and its only in the responsibility of Muslims to act accordingly in the dictates of Islam (some did it, and others failed as the test goes on) under any circumstances, no matter what the odds are. And by the way, I don’t think it’s acceptable to throw a blasphemy and get away without facing any legal reactions. Legal reactions? Yes, in one of the famous narrations, it says, whoever can stop a wrong doing, let them do so by their hands, if not, by their tongues, and if not, by their hearts, which is the least of imaan. this I believe applies to the case at hand. But anyway, there are both legal and historical precedents in Islam for such cases, as the killing concerns. I would suggest you to find out for your self and at least read the biography of the Prophet, in relation to his orders against the poet in Meddina who used to penetrate his critical blasphemy to the Prophet and Islam in the form of poems. Finaly, I am not judging here anything, am simply relating the Islamic judgment on this issue. I guess I can be wrong on certain things, but am afraid your assertions in the above are anywhat correct.

The following article is an example of what appears to be the direct result of integration and assimilation at best. I took it from Addis Tribune Online newspaper from Ethiopia. The author I guess is namely a Somalian, but with the Ethiopian mindset and thinking pattern. The Minority Christian Ruling Ethiopia (of Melez Zenawi) expects us to distance our religion in terms of practice, while they are fully proud of their religion. But this guy knows little bit about the facts on the ground, which is that Islam is an inevitable reality to prevail in Somalia. Thwarting the Menace of Islamism in the Horn of Africa By Bashir Goth It is attributed to Jomo Kenyatta, one of Africa’s finest sons, that the white man came to Africa with a gospel in hand to show the black people the God that dwelled in the heavens; and while the Africans were searching for God in the sky, the white man robbed their land. Today in Somaliland and in Somalia, there are people who claim to have found a new God and a new religion other than the God and the religion that the Somalis have been worshipping and bowing to for centuries. Their aim is to make the unassuming populace busy looking for God in the sky, before they rob them of their rights and their freedoms. The analogy may seem odd, but looking at it more carefully one can discern the truth of it is not far fetched. The white colonizers of Africa first sent the priest, a man of God who preached brotherhood, love and peace on earth. Once the nerves were numbed and fears mitigated, came the gun and brutality of human avarice – the covert agenda behind all ideological prologues of justice, equality and brotherhood. The real irony, however, is that the victims of such stealthy onslaughts always emerge as the staunchest defenders of their victimizers because the propellers of such crusades are clever enough to always go for the hearts and minds of the poor, the naïve and the faithful. It is along these lines that both Somaliland and Somalia are today under the grip of a horde of Wahhabi/Salafi Islamists who are on the march to re-convert Somalis to their newly-found Islam. The tragedy is that these neo-Muslims have not only made inroads into the fabric of the society but have exposed their menacing claws astonishingly to the inexplicable absence of any media focus with the exception of few unintended stories sometimes slipping through the gridlock, making their way to newswires and inside pages of newspapers but never to the banner headlines. It was in one of these rare instances that Al Jamhuuriya, Somaliland’s oldest paper, reported on 20th October 2004 about a group of 65 Islamists who submitted an appeal to the Vice President’s office, asking him for the suspension of the reconstruction of the national theatre. According to the paper they described the theatre as a home of vice and obscenity, claiming that it was because of the vices and blasphemy that were taking place in the national theatre that brought God’s wrath on the people, referring to the destruction, genocides and suffering Somalilanders met in the hands of the military dictatorship. This is a shameful and a criminal attempt to absolve the former regime of committing any crimes and to discredit people’s struggle by trying to convince them that their suffering and plight were self-inflicted injuries that befell on them due to their deviation from God’s way. These Wahhabist/ Salafist prophets want to portray God as so petty, so philistine, so banal and stoic who is enraged and punishes people for going to concerts, enjoying music and whiling away their toil by dancing. This is their god and definitely not ours in whose Compassionate and Merciful attributes we invoke Him every day. In another story, the Somalilander website Awdalnews Network reported on 16th Sept. 2004 about a group of Islamists calling themselves the Committee for the Promotion of virtue and Prevention of Vice, a replica of Saudi Arabia’s moral police, asking the Mayor of Borama, capital of the Awdal region, Somaliland, permission to open a representative office in the town. They already have established their offices in most of the major towns of the country. The same story of Awdalnews also reported about the convening of a three-day congregation of the Islamist Tabligh movement in Hargeisa on 15th September 2004 with delegations coming from all parts of Somaliland, Ethiopia and overseas. This was the third to be held in Hargeisa since 2002. And if the recent arrest of the ring leaders of the terrorist Al Ittihad cells in Somaliland who killed foreign humanitarian workers in the country, could be taken as a sign, one can see how entrenched these people are into the fabric of the society. As it is now known the two terrorists had real professions, one working as a pharmacist and the other as the manager of a telecommunications company in Buroa. This speaks volumes of the grip the Islamists have on the economy of the country. Thanks to foreign financing from Islamic brotherhoods around the world they own the bulk of the country’s business, they run Madrasas where they teach their venom in every town and village of the country, they control our telecommunications, their long-robed, long-bearded moral brigands patrol the streets and denude our unsuspecting mothers, sisters and daughters with their prurient looks and tyrannize them under the guise of religious purity. Affirming their grip on the economy, education and dominating mosques’ pulpits, they now want to go for the last bastion of our nation’s soul and identity, our refuge at times of suffering and plight. They want to deprive us of one of our last freedoms, the right to sing. They want to silence our music and our poetry, smash our centuries-old drums, break our mandolins, slit the throats of our female singers (already one of our nightingales Marwo Mohammed was stoned to death in Hargeisa in the early 1990s) and deny us to reconstruct our spiritual shrines – our theatres. Just remember Taliban’s religious lunatics destroying the historical sculptures of Bamian and denying people to laugh. Somalis know through their age-old culture that life without singing is dull, dreary and not worth living at all. As Africans music is in their blood. Everywhere and on every occasion they sing. They like to while away the toil of life with songs, drums and music. They sing in the fields when tilling the land, at wells when watering animals, in the ranges when grazing their animals. Even their beasts and their livestock, their cows and their camels, their goats and their sheep comprehend and lull to the whistle, tunes and humming of their herder. The Wahhabist/ Salafist attack on music and women is not incidental. They know the power of music and women’s role as cultural custodians of the nation. They know that they could not win the hearts of people and particularly the youth as long as music fills the airwaves and as long as young mothers sing folkloric lullabies to the tender ears of their children, handing down centuries-old legends, superstitions and mythologies to future generations. It was the Greek Philosopher Diogenes who said “Discourse on virtue and they pass by in droves. Whistle and dance the shimmy, and you've got an audience.†The Islamists know that the soft power of music and the lullabies are more powerful to win hearts and minds than the shrieking voice of the firebrand Imam who advocates hatred and stoic life from the pulpit. Now with Somaliland’s parliamentary election drawing close, it does not take a genius to predict who will be looking at us in the face when the new house of deputies convenes sometime in April in 2005. Having chosen to co-habit with Islamists for so long and trying to gain international attention for its nascent democracy, the government would have no choice but to concede to the majority vote and handover power to the second Islamist/ Wahhabist government to ever come to power in the Horn of African, the first being Sudan. The other option would be to follow the Algerian route, declare the vote null and void and plunge the country into a religious war, a route that the people of Somaliland can neither afford nor allow to happen. In Somalia, the situation is even bleaker with Islamist courts maiming people’s limbs and sending them to death in Kangaroo courts and giving refuge to all Islamist fugitives and criminals. It was in Mogadishu that the killers of the foreign humanitarian workers in Somaliland were arrested by the CIA before they were handed over to Ethiopia which in its turn extradited them to Somaliland. I remember when I wrote the long essay “Against the Saudization of Somaliland†end of 2003, some of the otherwise supportive readers rebuked me for dedicating the essay to the memory of the humanitarian workers who were killed in Somaliland at the time. They were of the thinking that it was impossible for Somali Muslims to commit such heinous crimes. The recent arrest of the culprits who happened to be members of the Al Ittihad has since then vindicated my position. I know it is hard to swallow for my fellow Somalis but what many of them, who commonly live abroad, do not know is that the moderate, integrative and inclusive Islam in which they grew up is rarely practiced today back home. It has been taken over by a Jihadist brand of Islam spread by disciples of Wahhabism and Salafist marauders. The greatest challenge that the newly elected president of Somalia would face in the capital is not the warlords as many observers may like us to believe but the Al Ittihad terrorists who exploited the political vacuum to own all businesses and run powerful militias. With the newly-elected President Abdillahi Yusuf Ahmed, who is known to be a trigger-happy fighter with a strong disliking for Islamists, Somalia may have got the man it deserves to return it to normalcy through the barrel of the gun. But it is the peaceful and democratic Somaliland that Islamists may find an amicable environment to thrive and prosper. Looking at the recent history of Islamist movements, it is only in democratic countries or political vacuums that they find their safe havens to operate but never in dictatorships where despots call the shots. Knowing the dangers that may result from such political void, the IGAD countries and the international community have invested money and energy to establish a government for Somalia. But in order to bring quick results and to pre-empt any future plans of the Islamists to abort and fail the efforts of the international community, it is imperative on the African Union and the world community to strengthen the hand of Abdillahi Yusuf against the Wahhabi/Salafi/ Ittihadi enclaves in Mogadishu. It is also equally imperative on the IGAD, the AU and the International Community to give Somaliland the recognition it deserves and extend urgent economic assistance to enable it ward off the menace of the enemy within that would otherwise not only threaten Somaliland’s nascent democracy but would spill over to the entire Horn of Africa to frustrate peace building efforts in Somalia and work as a safe haven for Jihadist groups in neighboring countries. Until then, we Somalilanders will try to ignore to look at the heavens in search of a new god but will hold tight our musical instruments, rebuild our theatres and continue to be enchanted by our artistes’ famous prologue, the lyrics of the celebrated Somali playwright Hassan Sheikh Mumin,

Mr. NGONGE, First of all, Ciid mubaarak, and let's postpone our disagreebale stances for another time, where we can fully engage the issue of Ayan Xirsi. Because that is where am concerned in your remarks. And until next time, I wish you and your family the best enjoyable ciid mubaarak, . S/C