OG_Girl, Eedo, I don't think you understood what I wrote in the above. Please reread again. If you can't speak Somali, that doesn't mean you are not a Somali or Muslim. Arabs are non-somalians and they are Muslims. But here we're talking about the inseparable identities between Islam and Somali Dhaqan. Ok. I admit my ignorance, but do you admit your unquestionable high level intellegence and knowledge? Eedo, dhaqankeyga wuxuu leeyahay gabdhaha yaan waxba laga sheegin, hala amaano. Diinteydana sidoo kale. NGONGE, Haye professor. Masha allah, your Somali writings is very impressive! Why couldn't you display that good impression long ago, cause that would earn you some credibilities from us. Anyway, Do you love Gaalo? Aniga ma jecli gaalo sidaan horay kuugu sheegay, kaligeyna maaha, wixii Soomaali ah, isla markaasna Soomalinimada ka dhab tahay, waa neceb yihiin gaalada. I understand your unconditional love for Gaalo, cause they taught you something, and you suddenly programmed yourself with their mindsets, behaviours, culture and so forth. Plus you push the idea of integrationism just to destroy our Dhaqan and Diin. Your plots were uncovered! You speak Arabic as you told me before, now I would suggest you to go to the Arab community and persuade them your hidden Agenda: the integrationism.

Jizaakalaah akhii for your invitation to this very important post. And May Allah reward you for it. Let me share with you this story, insha allah. One day, I went to Ohio for my cousins wedding. We spent there for four days, Alxamdulilah. I met this brother that I know very much, the Imaam of the Somali-adminstared Mosque in Atlanta, GA. So we're in the Mosque, and in the midst of our normal talks, we saw one man praying closer to where we sitting. And the Imaam suddenly said, that brother should be having a Sutrah. I said to him, that is ok, because people can see where he's praying and the chances are no one can pass before him this time since the Masjid was quite lone. I guess it was between Duhur and Casar times. Any, the imaam asked one of us to go and place a sutrah in front of the praying brother. I sometimes ask myself why do people pass before the praying people when the masjid is quite full and the spaces are very limited, isn't this Hadiith applicable to these people? Thank you brother for reviving the sunnah, and I think discussing about the forgotten Sunnah is one of the major Xasanaad/good deeds for the believers. (Alle-ubaahne)

Masha-allah, Shankaroon. Caqli badnidaa ilaahoow ha iga kaa qaadin, dirac baa tahay runtii. Gabdhihii hore ee Soomaalida wax ka deeqsinimo badan, alow alle! Maantana kuwa noo jooga, hmm, ilaahoow ceeb astur. Aamiin.

Masha-Allah brother! you are absulately right on that wake up call. Everything you said above is true, people are totaly migrating away from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Oh yeah, that is more true if you are looking at today's Muslims from the quranic perspectives. O Allah, help our people understand the beauty of Islam, and guide them on the correct path. Aamiin.

Originally posted by Hibo Nuro: quote:Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Aniga waxaan aad u aqaan soomaaligii lagu hadli jiray KUN SANO KA HOR. Waxaan idin barayaa marka kalmado waagaas lagu hadli jiray oo aan hada socon. Soomaaligii Kunsano Ka hor...............Kan Hadda xuu qowtag ahaad = Sidee la yahay maanta dhirfalqadin cur = Caano ma heysaa Reklumaasi fowfow = Waan ku Jeclahay Dhurugshum = Kaalay aan ku dhunkadee labaxkirwan = Nabadeey lolzz walahi luqad cajib ah waye :lol: :lol: EHEHEHEHE, ANIGA XITAA WAAN KU QOSLAY SIDA AAN UGU HADLEYNO SOOMAALIGA IYO SIDII LOOGU HADLI JIRAY KUN SANO KA HOR. AH AH AH AH. LOL ANY QUESTIONS? MISS. HIBO?

Viking wrote, Alle-Ubaahne, You sound like the Christian clergy-men of Europe in the middle-ages with your response; they thought that an inquisitive mind was the playground of the devil. Saaxiib hadana ma waxaan iskugu yeereynaa magacyadii gaalada iyo kuwii ugu danbiga badnaa! Subxaanalaah, ilaah ayaan ka magan galay waxa aad ila rabtid inaan noqdo. FF aniga kuma sheegin wax xun, laakiin sideedaba sheydaanka waa naloo sheegay inuu dadka ku shaqeysto oo xitaa ka hadlisiiyo, marmarna qalbigooda kusoo rido waxyaabo xun xun. Viking, Waxaan u maleynayaa diintaadii baa ka aradantahay ee ilaah haku soo hanuuniyo wadada toosan, aamiin.

JustCause, First of all, my nick is Alle-ubaahne, not Alle. Alle is Allah in somali language. So, please don't associate me with Allah, that may sound Shirk. Secondly, I don't know your cultural backgrounds, but I know exactly that my somali culture is not different than my religion of Islam. May be in English language the term culture implies something else. But luuqadeyda Hooyo, Dhaqanka Suuban iyo Diinta Islaamka isma diidaan. The prophet (scw) used to change the negative aspects of the culture. The rest were always left because they had no elements opposing to the essentials of Islam. Therefore, you don't paint my Somali culture with the current stupidities taken place many parts in Somalia. Your examples are definately off the mark, especialy when you compared the Indians and Pakistanis. Pakistanis and Indians have nothing in common, they differ ethnicaly, religiously, linguisticaly as well as culturaly. May be you were mistaken by their physical appearances! Also, Egyptians are not only different in terms of religion, they differ ethnically as well as culturaly. Each of those countries' you've mentioned are composed in various social fabrics, and you don't embarress yourself by speaking about things that you have no idea what they are in reality, ok. I can see your dissatisfaction for being a Somali, it probably goes in line with the stances of the integrationist professor, Ngonge. No problem, but I am here to enlight you with historical facts pertaining to where Somali Culture has blended with our Islamic belief. Tribalism is not part of the Somali culture, if you believe otherwise, well.. am sorry for your UnSomalian perspectives. Read the history of Somali people; in particular, read Prof. Liiqliiqato's astonishing book about the history of Somalia. There are many books I can offer you, but the fact still revolves that our culture is purely Islamic and those Reer Magaal people you see today are not culturaly Somalian in any sense. You right for some extent that people change their culture, but does that mean the essence of the culture was entirely changed as well? No, come on, be just here. Islamicaly speaking, people change their religion by adding some Bidco rituals, (Innovations). Does that mean the whole religion was changed? I don't understand realy how you want to discredit our culture by belittling its significance as being a pure culture of Islam. My definition of Dhaqan/Culture is that, Dhaqan contains some deep seated and an uncompromising set of believes. The pure cultural fitrah that I believe in doesn't go with anything except Islam. It was derived from Islam. And everything that was derived from Islam is part of Islam. Therefore, the well-meaning Somali Culture (Fitrah) is no different than Islam. For instances, a good follower of Somali Culture does the following, he does good for the parents, he connects the family members, he helps the poor, he sides with the victims, he opposes and despices the gaalo, he loves peace and respects the neighbors, and the list goes on and on. You also mentioned about the proximity of the Arabian culture to Islam, but you forget that Somalians were Muslims before most Arabs had became Muslims by the sword. I don't think you can dispute about the validity of that statment. Read the Siirah of the companions of the prophet, (scw). The first migration was to the land of Habash, Somalia. And that with the subsequent migration has led many of the inhabitants of Habash lands, (now known to us as the disintegrated five Somalia), to become voluntary Muslims. To me, dhaqan is what you live with, and Islam is my everyday Dhaqan. By the way, am still Somalian, and that Somalinimo has more ingrediants of Islam than any culture. Is that hard enough to digest? I think the reason that we can't understand each other is because some of you guys are western educated and were already instilled in some western doctrines that are completely at war with my representation of Somali Fitrah/Dhaqan which is in action with Islam. Finaly, let me say an important point here. If one were a Somalian but doesn't practice in Islam, that person is automaticaly not Somalian. According to the Dhaqan we adhere, we call him Gaal. For us, (True Somalians), Gaal doesn't have any distinctions of color, ethnicity or certain geographical locations. Gaal is Gaal, period. If you practice in my Dhaqan (The True Somali Culture), then you must be a 100% Muslim and belief in Islam. Other than that, you never qualify Somali. This is not a one-man's culture, its the culture/dhaqan for millions of Somalians who lived before me and practiced Islam in the strictest version of it. Wixii danbi ah, ilaah hanaga cafiyo. Aamiin. Ibros (Alle-ubaahne).

^^^Adeer, how come you say Somali culture and Islam are not the same? Where is your evidence? How did you know that, cajiib. You never practiced Somali Culture and you saying the two are not the same. How can you do that when you are even a subjective and harsh opponent to your race? You want to apply here the idea of divide and conquer, by separating our culture from Islam, and then insult our culture, which can be a direct attack to Islam! I know you learn that from your dearest darling west. Bes waaye, majiro maanta muran iyo dood. I leave your westernism alone, for the day. OK

Aniga waxaan aad u aqaan soomaaligii lagu hadli jiray KUN SANO KA HOR. Waxaan idin barayaa marka kalmado waagaas lagu hadli jiray oo aan hada socon. Soomaaligii Kunsano Ka hor...............Kan Hadda xuu qowtag ahaad = Sidee la yahay maanta dhirfalqadin cur = Caano ma heysaa Reklumaasi fowfow = Waan ku Jeclahay Dhurugshum = Kaalay aan ku dhunkadee labaxkirwan = Nabadeey

Hasna, Pacific Northwest, where is that? It sounds closer to my territory of where I live. Can I see you abaa, I need help for English. I can't speak or write english especially when I see white people. They are so scary. I feel terrorized! Help me here, how can speak english in the presence of white people? :confused:

Bismilaah, Waxay ila tahay arintaas waa fiican tahay oo meel diinta xageeda dhaheysa waa xun tahay ma jirto. Sidaas darteed, ilaah la tasho hadii aad talo fiican rabtid. Sideen ula tashadaa Allah? Waxaa jirta salaad la yiraahdo Istiqaarah, waa laba rakaco, iyo duco. Hadii ilaah kheyr qalbiga kuu galiyo, go ahead and do as you positively feel it, or else leave it as your heart feels the discomfort of it.

Femme Fatale, I think those questions are an evil-inspired Questions, so don't complicate your little mind. Believe in Allah, and do what you're told to do as part of the obligations imposed on you, and then leave the rest blank. That is all. Islam is a religion of reason and for pure rationality (fitrah), but bad reasoning are part of the sheytanic plot to complicate the mindset of the humans towards his Creator. Do you understand my Dhibic?

Brother Nur, Its your turn to take for that big question. Thanks to Allah, we've here a good brother in knowledge. May Allah (sw) protect you, aamiin.

Masha-Allah, this is a good Islamic moral test. I may use this to test on my future wife, insha allah. Ilaahoow eysan ku dhicin imtixaanka... haa hadeey ku dhacdo soo maaha, maxaa u yaala hee: Waa nagu kala wad meesha.

Am writing this in response to Mr. NGONGE , The Integrationist professor who always pushes the idea of western integrationism. First of all, Dhaqan Celis is an application intended to straighten people/individuals who had somewhat deviated from the supposedly ideal culture. Its an excellent process, it helps for those who are culturaly endangered. In my understanding, I think the concept has never been existed prior the mass displacements of the Somali people. Its a new phenomenon. But Dhaqan Celis is a proven measure to restore any cultural deviations or inferiorities. Secondly, Dhaqan Celis is a hope. It restores the lost values of one who felt the sense of emptiness. Its a constructive discourse that empliments or replaces the missing cultural elements within oneself. When is it best suitable for Dhaqan Celis? I think its always good to have Dhaqan Celis even in the presence of an abundance of cultural fitness. Dhaqan Celis is for everybody, because Dhaqan has two aspects, symbolic aspect and value aspects (the intrinsic values). When you are in the west, your symbolic culture is absent. You are encircled by an strange culture called 'the valueless culture'. That culture can do alot of damages both physically and mentally. That is why many of our elders in the west are suffering from the lack of our symbolic culture, let alone our children who are gone astrayed from the culture. Its true that some of our children are deviated from the culture, but that I guess is a normal thing. Look at the Arabs, Asians, Non-Muslim Africans, they all have one thing in common, and that is an easy assimilation and integration to the dominant culture. Why? because prior to their arrivals in the west, they had this culturaly compatible believes and values that were very much flexible, but Somalis are different indeed. Our culture is solid, and firm. It has good grounds to stay on under any pressure. Resistance and Superiority are two attributions for the Somali culture. Of course, there are some Somalis who are not versed to the culture, which I think are the ones who are in question now, but those might came from houses of no strong cultural principles. For every cultural failure with those people, their parents are to be blamed. But always consider these three signs that I believe are the very first symptoms of cultural deviations, (1) The loss of langauge, (2) Spiritual emptiness, and (3) Knowing nothing about ones' History. These three elements are serious problems and they gradually occur in a sequence pattern. First the language disappears because of the dominance of another language that makes the practice of the mother language impossible. Or some other factors whereby the person lives in an evironment of the opposite culture. This indeed is the stage many of today's somalis are in, because our kids are constantly exposed one in two states: (1) full time intermingling with foreign kids at the school and (2) full time TV watching. These alone can wash away the rich Somali language. Its also an evident and a practicaly seen reality that the once one loses the language, it suddenly effects the entire system of cultural values. Once that effect takes a grip in the inner cultural values, the spiritual sense is directly sujbected to total confusion and unrest. And the person grows with an ever increasing emptiness and the state-of-nobody reality. It is what you call the inferiority. This process takes place in a very dramatic speed when coupled with a prolonged cultural disconnection. That disconnection can be a forced one or voluntary one. Yeah, I think you (the integrationist professor, NGONGE) agree with my personal observations, especialy the psychological burden that people undergo when experiencing such severe transformations, right? Please admit, I know am your adversary when it comes to the notion of culture, but at least consider these wide spread facts and withdraw adhering from the current western culture to the Somali origin. You can surely do this with no efforts; simply reclaim your identity. Ok I think Dhaqan Celis is the practice of a healthy sociaty: a sociaty that takes care of its people. There is nothing better than preserving a healthy culture, a culture of rich values and moral strenght. Personaly, I appreciate to Allah (sw) because he created me from this culture (Somali) that is very identical and inseparable to Islam. This is my culture, I love it, because its more importantly an Islamic Culture. A culture of decency and integrity. Only a true somali can appreciate the richness of our culture. Look at the term itself, (Dhaqan Celis) and tell me what does it click in your mind. You definately see this hope in coming back to the Dhaqan. The Celis-thing is always initiated by a loving person to the one in cultural crisis. Its a good quality that indicates how great is the Somali Culture. Allah (sw) is the greatest, because we do wrong, and there is always an open door for repentences; going back to Allah. How great is that! Masha-Allah. He, glory to Him, created humans from weakness, and that is why we're reserved some accommodations for our weaknesses. Thus, a good culture is the one that reserves some corrections for its people: Dhaqan Celis for the sake of Dhaqan Toosin. Ask the White West in general if they have anything (both symbolicaly and intrisicaly) similar to our culture! Even I have no idea whether they have a culture-like stuff or confussion. Check this interesting and self-evident documentry portraying for the cultureless crisis of western sociaty. [Watch] When I say Somali Culture, I mean the true pre-modern somali culture. The culture/Dhaqan of my great grandfathers. Yes, they were people for cultural authenticity. That is my intention here, and Dhaqan Celis is one of my best prescriptions for anyone who is interested to revisit back to the essence of our culture. It takes thousands of years to develop such Dhaqan of high integrity, and yet is unwaveringly on a firm course. None of these other fake western cultures are anywhat closer to the advancements of Somali culture. Oh yeah, they are all fake, cause they lack the inner meaning that determines the values. Anyway, my culture stands for the protection of my integrity, and I stand for the preservation as well as the protection of it. However, the productive quest for Dhaqan Celis is on and let the journey beging for those culturaly disadvantaged people among us, including the Professor of Integrationism.

bilan wrote, hasna's list is perfectly logic,i'm really sick people calling other people westernized or using western terms when they want to dismiss their argument, even though there was no argument just list of topics. and why only muslims? islam cares the well being of humanity in general. it would be interesting if we talk about muslim woman's rights, since a lot of muslim women are abused, because they do not know their religion and their rights. Calm down abaayo, and don't get stiff at me, please. May be you right, Hasna's proposed topic is logic from western perspective, but not our own sociatel perspective. Its always the west who dehumanize the dignity of our female by name-calling the dignity our female, (Muslim women). So, its clear if you look closely at the intentions of those people (the westerners) you simply find my genuine concerns about their racialist terms. Now, do you understand my dhibic? And by the way, don't let Prof. Integrationist (NGONGE) mislead you in the daylight.

Nur, Hadaan Ameenah dhali lahaa waan ku siin lahaa runtii, yacni sida aad nooga dhaadhicisay The Most Powerful One. Masha-Allah, I realy appreciate that, and may Allah reward your creative capacity for spreading the dacwah in an irresistable ways. Aaamiin. Ameenah, , don't worry, am talking about the imaginery "if", OK. And xaal qaado, iyo ganbo, cause I know you don't take cimaamad. lol

Sheekadaan waxay isoo xasuusisay sheeko hada ka hor nin saaxiibo aan nahay iiga sheekeeyay oo aheyd, Oday qabay gabar yar, oo subax walba markuu rabo inuu guriga kasoo baxo wuxuu dhihi jiray aaway alaabtii aan dhigtay meeshaas, markaas buu intuu guriga ku dhex ordo bey gabartu dhihi jirtay war ninkaagan digdigta badan naga joogso, guriga ha nagu dumine, anaa kuusoo raadinaayo alaabta aa sheegeysid, markaas buu iska fariisan jiray. Hadaba markuu banaanka guriga uga soo baxo ayaa meel walba xanuuni jirtay, yacni orodkii iyo show-gii uu islahaa naagta ku horowso oo tusi inaad wali adoynimo kala fogtihiin. Marka waxaan qabaa odaynimada markii la gaaro, qofku wuxuu naf ka raadiyaa yaraan, markii la yaryahayna qofku weynan ayuu isku tiriyaa si aan loo yasin ama loo xaqirin. Waa iska dabeecada Aadanaha, sidaan qabo. Iga raali ahow, sxb, maadaama aanan aqrin kurti!

^^^ If that is true, then you must be definately an expert of gay! right?

^^ Do you have to double post to make your point clear? I would give you a warning mandate if were the admin. take it easy, adeer!

Masha-Allah, Brother Nur, I realy salute your all-time high creativity for making such an stimulating fictitious stories. Waxaan ku qoslay, when you asked shankaroon's name, and she responded that her actual name was shuun. ehehehehe. War ninyahow gacan baan kuu taagay! By the way, I used to visit in Somalinet.com with the nick Caydiid. I remember sending constant emails to that Gaal called Mad Mac in defense of Islam and Somali, and it was sometime in 2001, I guess. But anyway, I realy enjoy your intriguing and skilful writings. Jizaakalaah for drawing us some laughters. lol

Ilaahoow ceeb astur. Wax ka foolxun nin weyn oo xoolo baadi ah lagu qabtay. Bal maan iska cararo intaan la i qaban..... Caku iyo doqonimadeyda, bal maxaan faraska rinji u marin waayay si aan loo heyb aqoonsan! Jacaylbaro, Haa adeer, maya, sidaas ma aheyn. Waxaan rabay inaan faraska soo daajiyo meel xagaas ah oo cows iyo doog fiican leh. Ha'i ceebeen adeer, tuug maahiye. Ma anaa tuug i leedahay? Aloow yaanan feer kugu dhufan ee iga joog yaaku yiraahdo!

HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES( Women suffering all over the world simple ways to help them and learn from their struggles. This is my area of expertise. I will take a intiative to post much about this. I disagree with that term. All humans are Ok but Muslims. So the proper term for such issues is The Muslim Rights Abuse, I believe. Yeah, if you look at the world today, you only find the Muslims are predominantly the majority that is highly oppressed and victimized. So, please don't copy-cat the western terms and use against us while having no idea the implications along such terms.

Originally posted by Ameenah: I don't know if I want this section to be as active as other sections. Don't get me wrong, it would be great if more people posted and shared their knowledge and thoughts on Islam more often but if you look at other sections of this forum people mainly tend to chit-chat about nothing. I notice that this section is used differently by nomads. People, post relevant information - ask questions, discuss issues - and move on without diluting it with unnecessary chit-chat. It shows respect for the deen. The majority of SOL’s silent readers are regulars of the Islam forum. It is I agree, quieter than usual. Maybe the regulars are busy. Its only this time that I totaly agree with Ameenah. Yeah, she is right, Nomads do have an immeasurable respect for their religion. Nacam, waa runtaa aleylahey. Waagiikale Waxaan Lahaa, (Aaheey).

That is my HORSE, Waxaa la dhahaa, XiinFaniin! I train her to hunt for lions and elephants. Next time, the training will be on Humans.