This news may be good for Abdullahi Yuusuf, because he knows if Qeybdiid is jailed for good, then his fate to escape from crime accusations or imprisonments will will very slim

Originally posted by Aeronwen: ^ I am really starting to like you, Rachel . You need to passionately love the enemy of your enemy, especially when they take your supposedly fighting role to the enemy, but always remember how ferocious and insurmountable he is in the battle ground. You can go ahead now with your ululations to inspire Rachel to undertake the formidable task.

Sheherazade, U have a poisonous, cowardly stance. Right, I am poisonous only when it comes to turning down the repulsiveness of your ever-shifting contemporary believes, but assume not cowardly at me. Many years from now, you find me firm and stable to an unbreakable grounds that lean on Islam, unlike the people you sometimes represent who are subject to anything, even the wind. And yes, you can go ahead and resort to your invisible authority now for deleting what I wrote, because all you were seeking is to provoke an argument that can lead either to deletion or demonize my views! Aeronwen, Maybe he has nothing useful to add. Miss. 3000+ poster, lol, I don't know if what you did here as well is contributing useful insights or shouting an applause for your enraged sister sheherazade! Let's wish a serious debate once after you guys cease the drumbeating showcase designed to subdue for Alle-ubaahne. Brown, Girls, You are wasting your valuable time on the flimflam he has been spewing the past couple days. Well, why can't you save your time, when you always come in the aid of these girls who are causative and inferior to my stances. As for what happen in other threads, which didn't inherit me an enmity towards anyone, unlike your bewildering cuqdad, I think I am the one who wants to save his time as of now.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Alle Ubaahne, Caafimaadaa laga hadley and no sex. May be some up there wrote something about that and I haven't read all the posts. The main theme of the discussion as I realized turned into whether gudniin of women is according to islam or not. Why don't you contribute if you know something in line with islam about the subject? Xadiis saxiix ah ma la haayaa? they taught us to ask questions and now we are doing that. Till I see that I am against it. Saaxiib xoogsade, sheeko walba waxay leedahay hadaf, gundhig iyo darfo kala duwan oo laga eego. Inkastoo caafimaad laga hadlayo iyo diinta waxay ka qabto, hadana arinta aan ka sharqamiyay waa xaqiiqo salka ku heysa hadafka ay leeyihiin dadka beeninaya jiritaanka gudniinka suniga ah. Waxaana kusoo aroortay axaadiis inkastoon hubin saxadooda. Hadaba aniga waxaa iga tala ah inaadan fahamkaaga mowduuca aadan ku koobin sida ay leeyihiin oo aad eegtid darfaha lakala heysto, kadibna aad wax kala soo baxdid. Whenever you hear about the contention of people against Gudniin, think about the freedom of sex, women's emancipation for downright causes, undermining the whole concept of Gudniin in Islamic rituals and so forth and so on. So, be careful saaxiib, don't think these people are honest in their fate of the discussion, meaning everything is for health's sake. They have a long list of bad agenda in their pockets.

^^Are these the moderates we're talking or what?

Who are the "moderate Muslims"? The term moderate Muslims is not only becoming important in the post September 11 discussion of Islam and the West, it is also becoming highly contested. What do we really mean when we brand someone as a moderate Muslim? Indeed the more interesting question is what does the word mean to Westerns, looking-in to Islam, and to Muslims, looking out from within Islam? By Muqtedar Khan, Ph.D. As one who identifies himself strongly with the idea of a liberal Islam and also advocates moderation in the manifestation and __expression of Islamic politics, I believe it is important that we flush out this “political identityâ€. In an era when who we are determines what we do politically, it is imperative that we clarify the “we†in politics. American media uses the term moderate Muslim to indicate a Muslim who is either pro-western in her politics or is being self-critical in her discourse. Therefore both President Karzai of Afghanistan and Professor Kahlid Abul Fadl of UCLA wear the cap with felicity, the former for his politics the latter for his ideas. Muslims in general do not like using the term, understanding it to indicate an individual who has politically sold out to the “other†side. In some internal intellectual debates, the term moderate Muslim is used pejoratively to indicate a Muslim who is more secular and less Islamic than the norm, which varies across communities. In America, a moderate Muslim is one who peddles a softer form of Islam – the Islam of John Esposito and Karen Arm Strong – is willing to co-exist peacefully with peoples of other faiths and is comfortable with democracy and the separation of politics and religion. Both, Western media and Muslims, do a disservice by branding some Muslims as moderate on the basis of their politics. These people should general be understood as opportunists and self-serving. Most of the moderate regimes in the Muslim World are neither democratic nor manifest the softer side of Islam. That leaves intellectual positions as the criteria for determining who is a moderate Muslim, and especially in comparison to whom, since moderate is a relative term. Both Muslims and the media are generally on the mark when they identify moderate Muslims as reflective, self-critical, pro-democracy and human-rights and closet secularists. But who are they different from and how? I believe that moderate Muslims are different from militant Muslims even though both of them advocate the establishment of societies whose organizing principle is Islam. The difference between moderate and militant Muslims is in their methodological orientation and in the primordial normative preferences which shape their interpretation of Islam. For moderate Muslims Ijtihad is the preferred method of choice for social and political change and military Jihad the last option. For militant Muslims, military Jihad is the first option and Ijtihad is not an option at all. Ijtihad narrowly understood is a juristic tool that allows independent reasoning to articulate Islamic law on issues where textual sources are silent. The unstated assumption being when texts have spoken reason must be silent. But increasingly moderate Muslim intellectuals see Ijtihad as the spirit of Islamic thought that is necessary for the vitality of Islamic ideas and Islamic civilization. Without Ijtihad, Islamic thought and Islamic civilization fall into decay. For moderate Muslims, Ijtihad is a way of life, which simultaneously allows Islam to reign supreme in the heart and the mind to experience unfettered freedom of thought. A moderate Muslim is therefore one who cherishes freedom of thought while recognizing the existential necessity of faith. She aspires for change, but through the power of mind and not through planting mines. Moderate Muslims aspire for a society – a city of virtue -- that will treat all people with dignity and respect. There will be no room for political or normative intimidation. Individuals will aspire to live an ethical life because they recognize its desirability. Communities will compete in doing good and politics will seek to encourage good and forbid evil. They believe that the internalization of the message of Islam can bring about the social transformation necessary for the establishment of the virtuous city. The only arena in which Moderate Muslims permit excess is in idealism. Today, the relationship between Islam and the rest is getting increasingly worse. Muslim militants are sowing seeds of poison and hatred between Muslims and the rest of humanity by committing egregious acts of violence in the name of Islam. In this precarious environment, it is important that everyone finds and nurtures the many wonderful examples of moderate Muslims one can still find. Chandra Muzaffar in Malaysia, Tarik Ramadan in Europe, Maulana Waheeduddin Khan and Asghar Ali Engineer in India, Khalid Abul Fadl and Louay Safi in the US, Karim Soroush and Muhammad Khatami in Iran and many many more who are committed to their Jihad (struggle) to revive the spirit of Ijtihad. Fortunately the tradition is alive globally; it needs the support and the attention of all who aspire for peace and understanding. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Muqtedar Khan, Ph.D. Director of International Studies, Adrian College, MI Association of Muslim Social Scientists Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy.

Gudniin is bad, in one extreme, but on the other extreme are people who advocate the experimentation of an illicit sex in our society through the advertisements of sex without Gudniin! These people tell us many times that the most important thing in life is sex, and therefore it has to happen through all shapes, xaaraan walaa xalaal, everything goes! Their motto in such campaigns, however, is to sell the idea of free-from-gudniin to our society, so that we take an adventurous visit to what is known as permissive society. Ilaaheey ima gaarsiiyo xiligaas, Aamiin!

It seems all girls are having a little plot against Alle-ubaahne! Bal aan iska wato hurdadeyda, jaajuus baa ii daran kaliyah!

I advise my sisters to get out of the way of this discussion because the aim of it is to find out the symptoms of this negative culture and probably to single out the suspected individuals who are steering the negative culture for their advantages. I understand the motives behind some sisters in here, but I don't blame them, they are innocents, and only used by them as instruments. Our mission knows nothing but immediate results for leading a clean atmospheric discussions. We will do whatever it takes to avoid collateral damages, using our discriminatory data, we assure hast win over the few ramnents of Eedeeysaneyaasha. We may sound strange with our commitments, but change will come as we continue striving for the eradications of those immoral-lords, once and for all.

Originally posted by Aeronwen: Are you still upset about my post-count? Waxba ha warwarin, I'm sure you'll reach my level one day. You are given a huge space, sister, to express your views, and I don't intend to proceed with anyone here except the big reckless fishes, who are the main reason for this topic. However, I would like to clarify that sometimes its not wise to engage with the people who are subject to the guidelines of the big diluters, so I selected to target them in an effort to influence their downright recklessness. Now you can enjoy here with impunity, I guess.

Rahima, This frustrates me more then anything for both you and Nur are meant to be educated God-conscious Muslim men, but in this thread to say you have both fallen short of the mark would be an understatement. I didn't mean to advocate, sister, for the continuetion of FGM in our society, but all I agreed with brother Nur is sending devient kids back to our country. And if you thought I wrongly sided with the brother, I guess to reclaim my rank at you, I now uncalled for my remarks.

Originally posted by Rahima: quote: even if that costs the wellbeing of my wife for marrying other women than her Nice . I like the way you put it. At the cost of her well-being, very nice And I mean I’m sure numbers are more important than your supposed life partner yeah . Speaking about what we're thought in preservation of our sound traditions, there is nothing ku jaban for taking the footsteps of our great grandfathers. The whole point with the partner is to produce more kids; what else are we supposed to do for partnership?

I personaly respect the moderators in this site who tirelessly work to maintain a vital site with sound qualities, but sometimes with the out-numbering quantities of posts by morally reckless elements, they surely diluted the the taste of the site. With the fame some have gained through numerous posts of no relevence to the standard of the site, it seems there is already a negative culture in place that gives them an immunity from questioning their foul tactics. The breeding ground of this negative culture are mainly aided by two things, the stoogies who are in full collaporations with the lead individuals for the negative culture, and their skillful ability to denigrate others as well as their views in alliance with their stoogies agaist anyone they deem enemy. This, of course, is very troubling for individuals who are at contrast to their views, especially when they sponsor and set topics that are intended to perpetuate solely for offending the denominations of others. These individuals are very unique in their writings for several characteristics, including that of assassinating the integrity of others, presenting themselves very improperly in dealing others, using dishonest means for debating, and concealing the facts by insisting some very unfound grounds, especially when they feel lost in debate. My question is how can one inform those unprincipled individuals to withdraw from such behaviours? What is it known to be the culture and standard of SOL debating? How can we tackle the spread of such deceptive and diluting tactics from becoming the platform we conduct our debates? Is there a proper discourse that we can create to address the growing threat of the negative culture? Let's find a solution for this issue, nomads!

Interesting, all the integrationalists are present today, including the drink-writer, who normally shows up for serious confrontations. Did I hijack the topic? It only meant for correctional purposes and remind others the infamous legacy they left back. For Castro, I would say, bring what you get, for I am sure my non-voilence fasting approach of debating is going to strike you, with your scientific religiousity at work. To my amazement, are all these happening, just because Alle-ubaahne has said something that nearly attempted to correct the downright stances of certain people who gained tremendous fame in their unacceptable manner of mandencities that were badly breeded by the stoogies in the house! Well, I know one thing they can do, that is to pool all their mechineries to produce an unceasing propoganda against what I stand for. Guess what, that will also increase my alliance and the strenght of my mission to transform this place of ultra-secularists into something that serves for Master.

Originally posted by Brown: quote:Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Aeronway: How sad its to brag about 3000 posts of no signifance when it comes to good deeds. They all exceedingly consist of xan, caay, yaan lagaa hadal badin, iyo faan, which my sister skillfuly practices daily. War Yaa ileen tano Kale. Ina Adeer, Why are you tailing inanta? Even if she has Gazzilion posts under her name, whats fifteen on you?. You don’t wanna congratulate the sister for her contributions, step out of the thread. Also iLaahey Ka baq,its ramadan and quit labeling ppl what they are not. Of all the people in here, Aero is Not one to indulge in Xan & Cay. I have read almost all of her 3000 posts, and I have yet to find Xan & Cay. Matter of fact, am challenging you to bring 1 Xan & Cay in Aero's 3000 posts. It’s a challenge. Go on indulge yourself. War Gabdhaha ka xishoo, nin weyn baa tahaye. Its only the likes of such people who promote and encourage the spread of such bad behaviours/characters, when I indeed favor for an immaculate atmosphere of mutual brotherhood where every word counts, or against you, especially, when one knows the detriments of uttering non-sensical remarks in the promised Day! Keep going around, Mr. Brown, and help others multiply their efforts to qualify all the negative attributions! I know what you call the xishood is no different than dayuusnimo, and lack of sound conscience. But I assure you that I will not discontinue from discouraging my fellow nomads by showing and revealing the despicableness of what they embark at times. Does it work? it doesn't matter as long I am pinpointing the negative culture. What is so clear from your above remarks are elements of mere loyalistic impulses, which doesn't weight any importance. And if you think I am blind from the perpetual and easy to detect mischieves among the well-known nomads, than I guess you are trying to cover the sun with your poor palms. Ramadan Kariim, adeer.

^^I am sorry to say, with such ideas, civilizations such as ours become non-existant, if that idea is put into practice! I can only talk about one child through adoption when I checked all possibilities to having more children and none has worked.

Aeronway: How sad its to brag about 3000 posts of no signifance when it comes to good deeds. They all exceedingly consist of xan, caay, yaan lagaa hadal badin, iyo faan, which my sister skillfuly practices daily. I pray to the Almighty Allah, in the blessings of this month, to redeem your faults and all past mischeives. May He also guide yourself from straying to the world-wide web, and its implications. Aamiin

^^Watch out, man, she changes like a weather to suprise her overwhelming enemy, tacticaly!

Curling Athena: That you rely on Insurance for risk assurances, I rely on Allah by doing my best to marry as much wives as possible for the multiplication of my self and family. Now, I can only help you if you mean to join the family willingly, by taking the third seat, before another girl arrogates.

Originally posted by Aeronwen: Oh and Alle-Ubaahne , I have no doubt that your post count would have surpassed mine a long while ago had you no had your two previous usernames banned . I think they call it Infestation Control . [/QB] At least this indicates how you took advantage the confinment you experienced as the result of Online addiction syndrome that many suffer here in SOL, except my likes.

^^By taking a life insurance, it presumes that somebody is in state of fragile confidence and moral crisis.

^A deligent look at your name enabled me to see the Moderator sign, and for that alone is a wise reason to back off before you throw my shoes up! I am out now, sister. Ramadan Kariim

Actually, that question is too reflective on a person,(Caano Geel), who worries about the duties of Allah, (swt), who is there to feed, cloth, educate ulimitedly, as though we can be the reasons, but HE is the prime sustainer for all our needs. By grasping that concept, you would halt to reason the way the non-muslims attempt to pre-calculate the sustenance for a forthcoming child. That is why, I guess, they believe in Life Insurance.

Originally posted by sheherazade: AU, I do not seek to be appeased. I'm not convinced by this post, chopping penises off won't make it any better. Worse. The fundamentals of the idea itself are flawed. U say: the young ladies who bring about the demise of our social reputations by illicitly using their reproductive organs. Aha, thought so. Social reputation at alleged stake. Nailed it on the head. Not. Ngonge, . Sister, only your preceeding statements before this gave me the impression that you learned to forward your feelings before your reasons. But try to emphasize the problem at hand, rather than worrying the Campaign of Waris Dirie in which she vowed will eliminate the practise of Fircooni in her absense of the country!

Professor NGONGE's views on social issues are always closer to insanity than to solving anything. His take on this issue, I guess, reveals some signs of recovery from the previous intense stages of his bout. Now, let the wise direct and correct the gentleman!