Go back to somalinet and your clan bashing ways. I'm in no interest in talking to one who dismisses the great sacrafice made by abumansuur and godane and others of their caliber, because of clan association. Pathetic!

Dabshid, Saaxib don't fall for the Pr of those defeated. Alshabab are compassionate group who are passionate in getting their honor back. You see a person living in abraod doesnt have much at stake but our people back home do, and they are deserpate for home made government that works and serves justice among the powerful and the weak and doesn't allow one group to have dominant power over the other. Alot of ex warlords are upset and are calling alshabab a brutal force LOL the irony.

Twisted Logic, Somaliland settled their difference, have elected leaders (good or bad) and have one voice. If one needs to talk with somaliland, they know exactly where to find them. However in southern somalia. You had waring factions, warlords and special interest groups having unchecked power over the people. They killed, they looted, they destryed. It's not Alshabab's fault that your warlords have been eating people alive for more than a decade.Had they realized the importance of peace and reconcilation in sorting their difference, maybe the ethiopian invasion wouldn't have happened and the innocent lives of xamar would have preserved. Because of decade and plus of warlordism, anarchy with no law and order, it's impossible to bring peace to the south unless first the obstacles to the peace are removed FORECEFULLY for once and for all.That is the aim. You already see the ethiopian troops were defeated, the somalis in xamar welcomed that. The death of today occured when amisom troops shelled bakara market, though not first time that has happened. Just like the ethiopians, they're also an occupying force that need to dealt with. You may hope to see your warlord uncles back manning their isbaaroyin, but as I said, there is no chance of that happening. And if you couldnt' bring peace for xamar for more than a decade, peace will be brough TO xamar. Ps. Calling the people who just liberated your **** to be eradicated is not a way to 'reconcile'.

Umm exactly that is why I said these innocent people lying on the streets are victims of AMISOM troop's shelling of the bakara market. Thus my heart goes out to those who were killed and I mean it as well as I said the same thing to those killed in Hargeysa bombings as well. The cost of war is high and causes alot of stress to many, but the overall objective when reached, will be worth it. Also the ethiopian forces are no longer a threat, they've been taken care of. The attack I called a while back was on their bases they had in Mudug which was well known. I hope to see the old man being brought to face justice, but he ran away unfortunately.

LOL who is talking to you. Don't get paranoid.

Twistedlogic, Did you get bored of your clan bashing session in somalinet? Duke, Ethiopia has no military base inside somaliland nor are they occupying it. What a desperate comparison to compare a region which enjoys home made peace and stability to the tragedy in the south. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Alshabab is only an enemy and a nightmare to anyone who tries to kill and occupy somalia and the warlords who help them pave the way, abdullahi Yusuf case in point. Rayaale kahin is a problem himself as well as Puntland leadership, they will be dealt with in different manner Insha allah. If I can remember, Puntland does also turn over innocent somalis over to ethiopia. So don't dish out stuff like that around.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^That makes no sense, if the issue is about Ethioiopia why not bomb Berbera? The issue here is the deaths of civilains, the excuse before was Ethiopia there is no excuse. "To fight until a single foreign soldier remains in somalia"_alshabab moto. I don't see ethiopian troops been singled out here. This includes amisom, the warlords whom are all an obstacle to long lasting peace in somalia. duke once again you're a qabalist and well known one around this corner. When Muqdisho was experiencing the six month stability, what where you doing? You were hating on them, refering them to as clan courts etc.. When the ethiopians delivered your uncle warlord Yey on their tanks to muqdisho and massacred thousdands along the way, you were caught saying somalia is back. It's clear enough who genuinely cares for the good of the people and who has hidden clan motives.

Duke, You're proven qabalist. You were celebrating when xamar was being bombarded to the ground, I'm not suprised you would wish the same onto somaliland. NabadNabad, LOL@sarkhaanland. I'm sorry Abdullahi Yusuf is defeated and humiliated along with his helpers from ethiopia. I can see why you hate alshabab. NO doubt. I will agree to see alshabab tear down the port of berbera, if you also agree the same on boosaaso, galkacayo and the whole of puntland. do we have a deal?

LOOL. Well I were a warlord and I was the biggest dude in the block and having criminal monopoly by way of isbaaro on the people, and then all of sudden justive league showed up defeating the 'mighty' armies of ethiopia within matter of 2 years; I would also be upset indeed. I would be really furious knowing that my isbaaro is no long gone. NabadNabad, Hargeysa and berbera are free and peaceful somali cities. I do not wish any harm on them, however if those cities were under occupation shelling the markets and raping the women, then I would have carried the same messege that is to never surrender to an enemy and to always fight for your right, dignity and the choice to have a say in your own country. It's understandible that the cost of war in both human life and infastructure is high, but the right to live with some dignity in your own country far outweighs. The warlords have been killing for more than a decade, I did not see many protests over that. But you and I can never see an eye to eye since you don't know who your really enemies are. The Ugandese, burundis and the defeated xabashis were peace-keepers and these alshababs are criminals who need to be eradicted. that is your view. That my friends is holla lot of crap.

"laf cad ayey toobin ku hayaan" somali proverb.

You're misinformed walal. Your people are victims of foreign occupation. Allahu naxariisto dadka rer Muqdisho ee dhibtu haysato. It's very unfortunate.

Dude why you gotta post that? These innocent people are victims of continues foreign occupation. If you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at the so call amison forces who have killed these somali people in cold blood. Ha noqon sidii dadkii 12ka indhood lahaa, ee 11 ka mid ah ehelkooda ku eega. Dadka dhibta wada iyo kuwa dulmiga ladagaalamaya kala saar. Alshabab or any other resistance group has nothing to gain from killing their own, but A ugandese or brundi soldier has.

Looks like Embaghati sequel. I agree the part where you said those who use to insult the 4.5 are now taking advantage of that same divisive formula. Which is not only hypocritical but also shows how weak these people's religious convictions are. They were against it when it did not serve their purpose but are now for it, because they know they can get same amount of attention from the International community as the exile warlord in the hiding. Very weak people.

Seems like xaaji xundjuf's words. lol

It's feel good art work specially the ones of the blue sea. I love it. Great job mr. Afey.

I'm qabiil-free. I don't discriminate at all and would marry anyone from any qabiil regardless.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Sharif did not order armed wing of the courts to go to war. The war was niether planned nor prepared for. It was they who initiated the fight in an effort to prevent any deal with the tfg while Ethiopian forces were present in Baydhabo. The consequences were clausal and far-reaching. Oh really? I see you're not very enlightened yourself. Listen to this, this should help. Iska jaahil bixi saaxib. Prof. IBBI on pre invasion of 2006.

Ok nothing from good ole Xiimaye.LOL "cudurka kaa gala fardahaa, hadii laga guboo dameer, dawo lama gaadhayee"

Hargeisa and gorowe? Do tell us how that is possible, I'll rely on your reasoning if you put forth one that is cheweable.May I also point out that you lost the plot by perhaps not deciphering what I wrote. If not, don't ruin my thread with the usual thread hijacking that many here are accustom to. thanx. ps. jimcewanaagsan.

Yes it's doable and can be done hustle free if sh. shariif is up to the task. He know the dril, he knows what alshabab wants. The conference must offcourse be inclusive with exception of warlords such as those I constantly mention here. Again, it's pointless to point out who controls where and what, as long as those who control the areas are part of the process. Kismayo by alshabab, beledwayne by uic, merka by alshabab big deal. they're both somali movements. PeaceAction, Leave my thread plz.

Muqdisho, Beledwayne, Jawhar, Kismaayo. Hadii nabad daacad ka tahay that they see peaceful somalia, somaaliya is awfully big enough for them. Publicity and foreign sponsorship is another thing.

Ladies and gents here we go again, Sii soco soo saco crew are at it again. They never learn, never listen that doing the same old things will only result the same outcome. It was 2004 that Abdullahi Yusuf's TFG as for previous foreign manufactured entities was built in foreign confort INN, around formula 4.5, made out of members of ex warlords and criminals who have not contributed the progress of anything since dawn of this era. To no suprise it failed miserably but not without causing the lives of thousands of inncoent somalis, I have no reason to believe that same formula(dibad mareen out of touch entity) that has failed more than I can count will bear a new outcome this time. The only time that somalia got to see relative stability was 2006 six months which was heavely while it lasted. The warlords, who in otherwise act as government members were routed, rule of law returned, and people were fully in support. It was swift, not costly and quite successful until broken up by the same people who are running around with files pretending to have a peaceful plan for somalia. There are certain pre conditions for successful government in somalia: 1. Must be locally funded and operated. No Imbagahti, no Addis, No Djabouti. No way. A government for somalia, by somalis within somalia. 2. All actors of the resistnce must be present specifically alshabab(who took the lions' share in liberating somalia) 3. No foreigners who were involved in somalia' conflict and human suffering can be physically or indirectly be present. No way my enemy wants to be have inclusive and just government. 4. No ex warlord, criminal of any guilt can even be given considerations for contention or any spot in the new government. They do not deserve the honor of the people. 5. Hallmarks of previous entities must be abolished, specifically the formula 4.5.

Yeah kinda like somaliland right? not bad idea at all.

Qudhac, lol The old man wants minyaro but he aint getting her. dhab yal xururuf.tough luck mate.

Originally posted by Poker: Does that mean Rayalle shouldn't be listed asthe chairman of UDUB? How about Ahmed Yusuf Yasin? What is his post withing the party besides of him being the VP of the country. Can you give me the correct list of these parties, please? I know the UDUB chairman passed away recently. The listings are correct. It's just that second slot of Kulmiye was open for contention. Muuse biixi was elected gudoomiye kuxigeen which neccarry isn't vice Presidential slot, that is the only thing not correct as JB implied. So mr. zaylici from Awdal is the official candidate for VP candidate for Kulmiye. JB, It's open thread bro. You're welcome to add your piece.