nah, I won't bother.

my favorite is----------, darn there are none I like. Well let me just say I like Nameless nick.

assalamu calykum, very funny Walahi, Some times I wonder, it would be easier for him to say that, to just offer truce, because his approval rating is at all time low, somewhere in the 30th percentile. Thanks Soo maal. assalamu calaykum.

Originally posted by General Duke: Thats terrible news, one always supected out of 600 mulims, but now its out that our fellow kinsmen have been draged into this war on terror.. fellow kinsmen? How do you know they are your fellow kinsmen, or you meant fellow countrymen sir? Please explain your points one more time about "the war on terror", and that sort of thing, because I might have percieved them little differently. Assalamu Calaykum.

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, mr. Naxar Nugaaleed first and foremost welcome to the site, we glad to have you. Although I agree with some of the points that you have made, I must also disagree with some. If you think that using the term "Somaliland" will offend people here, then I think also using the term "Somalia" is also offensive to some nomads. You must realize that here in SOL, we have little agreement, or at least from part that I can use the term Somaliland as a way that points out a particular region, from there there can be nomads who might disagree with me and say use the term Somalia when refering to Somaliland, and there are those who say use the term Somaliland as Somaliland is an independent state. Each side tries to prove their standings and raises some points of what is and what not, but at the end of the day, there would be nothing proven in respect to time. If you think by using the term " Somaliland" is offensive and you care so much of not offending anybody, then you oughta be inclusive when it comes to not offending others from the other side of the aisle as well. Some of the pictures that you have up there point out the times of Dictator Siyad Barre. I must respect whatever intentions that you have in posting some of those pics, particularly Xaawo Taako, and Zayid( Allah ya Raxma), because both people were great Somalis no matter what anybody says, but the pics of the soldiers were taken at the time of the Brutal Dicatator Siyad Barre, and they are extremely offensive to some nomads including I. So you might want to consider that, before you can expect anyone else to do the same for you. Most nomads here try to glorify his/her home region or clan, therefore, let us not blame one particular group of people for the tribilst crisis facing us all Somalis. Finally, you don't build a home by starting from the roof, you must first build pillars to hold it, and you shall agree with me that some of the pillars are crambled and need to be build up, and hence they don't locate in the north or Somaliland, so who is it to blame for our problems brother. Shall we start by blaming Somaliland for creating self governance and peace or shall we blame the warlords who after years of blood shed seem to be getting more blood thirst??. I think any rational thinking human being knows the answer. The unifacation of a nation is minor problem, because at least you would know where to start, compare to not having a peace at all, so let us take one step at a time, and first take care the problems in the south while encouraging those who have peace to continue on. Peace, Assalamu Calaykum.

Originally posted by ThePoint: I don't get some of the commentary. Posting pictures of a region(or independant state as you may view it) has nothing to do with whether you accept it's self-proclaimed independance. All it shows are signs of progress and advancment which every well-intentioned Somali should admire. I don't support Somaliland independance but I have nothing but admiration and good wishes for every improvement they make. Can't we just leave it at that???? very well said, now there is forward thinking brother.

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, Asmaya mission accomplished sister, where to go for ruining the thread. Bal aan isku dayo in aan dabo qabto hada caanahay daadisay walaalsheen Asmaya. To Ibti, Scarface, you wanted to know how much they cost, I think it depends whom you go to ask. Well if you ask me my favorite contractor is Daryeel Construction company, then Lucky Star construction company. But Daryeel has built the majority of those buildings. There are also more. Check out their website. http://www.daryeel.com/services.htm or http://www.daryeel.com/ also check out the outdated but still looking great buildings of Lucky Star. And Lucky Star http://www.lstarconstruction.com/home.html You compare and decide. If you are not serious about buying or building a home, then just enjoy the pictures fadlan. And please brothers and sisters, I urge you to stop this nonsense that we all have encountered before, it's not new debate, it's the same old tired arguments that we've been hearing in the last---- I don't know---15 years.

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, It's true that fruit and vegs are imported from the South, but the fruit in that pic is called Ruman, it grows everywhere. The vegs and fruit such as Watermelon are imported from the South although they grow in Somaliland too. But who said Somaliland can't exist without fruit and vegs from South, more suitable would be that Somaliland can't exist without Allah's assistance. I get your point anyway Nabadshow walaalo. Hey Nazir, good job posting those, thanks walaal.

Assalamu Calaykum, Hey brothers and sisters, have you forgotten about the crisis happening in Chechnya, where the Russians murder innocent civilians everyday. Please read about and know about it,it's an obligation for you to know of what is happening to your brothers and sisters in Chechnya. Prague, March 1, 2006) - Czech politicians should take advantage of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to ask him, as have their counterparts in other European countries, other questions than those connected to oil and natural gas supplies. President Vaclav Klaus, Premier Jiri Paroubek and Parliamentary Speakers Lubomir Zaoralek and Premysl Sobotka will be meeting today and tomorrow with a man who is suppressing freedom of speech and democracy in Russia and who is also directly responsible for the genocide of Chechen people. The visit is taking place when attacks against civil society in Russia are gaining momentum and where several people, labeled political prisoners by renowned international human rights groups, were convicted or imprisoned (Khodorkovsky, Lebedyev, Murtazaliyeva, Dmitriyevsky and others). This visit also coincides with the armed conflict underway in the Northern Caucasus with killings, torture, kidnappings, illegal arrests and enforced confessions being routine. In 1999-2006, under the rule of Vladimir Putin, tens of thousands of people were killed in Chechnya and hundreds of thousands became refugees. Despite the use of brute force, the conflict has not been stopped. On the contrary, it has spilled over into neighboring republics, accompanied by terrorist acts and bloodshed like the Beslan school siege in September 2004, the investigation of which has yet to be completed. The Russian authorities do not hesitate to use various tools to promote these policies, including misusing national and international law enforcement systems; suppressing political and civil opposition; staging undemocratic elections; and prosecuting journalists and activists who speak out against these practices. And Vladimir Putin himself does not hesitate to support and award the local leader Ramzan Kadyrov, a man whose subordinates commit gross violations of human rights even though they’re obligated to protect them. It is in the interest of the Czech Republic and European Union that the Russian Federation is a democratic country. Therefore, we call on Czech politicians to promote this by having a truly open discussion with our Russian guest. Assalamu Calaykum. Source: Prague Watchdog Tolerance a obcanska spolecnost NESEHNUTà (NEzavisle Socialne EKologicke HNUTI)

assalamu Calaykum, Yes, I do understand that these images don't carry any benefits for anyone, but the only reason I have posted them is for anyone who wanted to know the Somaliland army for any reason to just see what they look like,not necesarily their cause. Remember everyone, there are also many other pics in that site itself. if you scrol down to the bottom of the page and click where it says "Daawo Sawirada" of any place such as Hargeysa, Burco, Berbera, Las Anod, Cerigabo etc. The title was just to get the attention of the folks obsesed with military stuff but nothing more. I have precautioned everyone, but unfortunately many nomads seem to ignore that and rather took the low road. So brothers and sisters let us not get too excited with the fact that we are seeing bunch of trucks mounted with .50 caliber machine guns,because I am sure everyone of us have seen those before in some where or here in SOL. In further details, since we have made this thread out of something that wasn't intended for, I might have to ask the admin. or the moderator to delete it for good, so this fiasco can end for once. Assalamu Calaykum.

Originally posted by Azmaya: and please be extremely cautioned that I am in no way trying to create conflict and arguments among the nomads in here, so please give your opinion and move on. Oh really? Is that your intention how considerate of you thanks for the pictures (but my comment probably better left unsaid now). but i say have backbone, stand up for your beloved somaliland :rolleyes: Its not good to flip flp, I mean can u get any more frank about your intentions The Red Sea , From: Hargeysa, Somalistan :rolleyes: O Lord, I don't mean to disrupt your happy community, stop kidding yourselfs, be FRANK! I BELIEVE IN UNITED SOMALIA! NOT somalistan, puntlandstan, kismyostan, or what have u I tend to have big mouth n too many opinions, I can't help it boys. salaamz ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, Listen very carefully sis. What can you do if even my intentions were the other way around? I was looking at pics on the internet when I ran across these pics therefore I thought I shared them with you people. Listen if I wasn't proud of Somaliland, I wouldn't have said anything about Somaliland, however the contents of these pics are not meant to be the way you have percieved them or understood. They are merely for you to just see them and MOVE ON. I am not a flip floper and I have no reason to flip flop, by the way the pictures don't tell anything on where I stand, because If I have posted these images to just rab it on your face, I would have said so without any hesitation. So come down sister and stop judging me here.The other thing is that you don't even know me so why don't you hit the road and see a Psychiatrist if you have the problems that you have mentioned. Finally, I know you believe in Somali unity and I have no problems with that, so tell me where I said or denied Somali unity little lady without over heating yourself. Once again PLEASE LOOK AT THEM AND MOVE ON, if not just don't see them at all. To Abdi, you are right the pictures are combine together to make them seem they are at the same place, however the army truck is just the way it appears,when they were posting it on the internet, they must have made some imagery mistakes in scaning them, because how do you know if it hit the brakes while it was moving fast, therefore created dust. To all others who would like to just see some pictures, please just scrol down to the bottom of the page and click to see many other images not just the army, but a Berbera, Borama, Burco, Las Anod, Ceerigabo, Saylac, Shiekh, Gabiley, and more. Assalamu Calaykum.

they are there, having you see them? I am not sure about farms, but Hospitals, such the Edna Adan Maternity Hospital is there.

Assalamu Calaykum, The text of the pics. are large so just click on the address below, and please be extremely cautioned that I am in no way trying to create conflict and arguments among the nomads in here, so please give your opinion and move on. http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/somaliland/jiidahore.html Peace. assalamu Calaykum.

Very true and important issue that we need to think about indeed. Thanks for the reminder sxb. North.

Just enjoy it walaalo, don't drag politics into this. Somaliland is a region whether it's a country of it's own or part of Somalia. I think you know what I mean. Assalamu Calaykum.

Check them out. For those of you have seen it before, be patient or may be glanced at them at one more time in case you missed any moments before. http://gallery.somali-info.com/index.html Enjoy. Assalamu Calaykum.

Assalamu Calaykum, I would have responded to it in how you put it with " open mind", but I sense Mr. Nayruus has some other intentions that I wouldn't want to get involved, check out the words that HE highlighted and tell me what they mean. We have seen such articles posted here before and they don't usually fair well here. So good luck finding an "openminded" person to respond to this "good" article in a "rational" way. :rolleyes: assalamu Calaykum.

Assalamu Calaykum, I have found this article on the web and I thought it would create some interesting discussions. And I have drawn the conclusions that the Africans he is refering in the article are to be those who considered themselves to being Arab decent, mostly in the horn. The Arab-African Relationship- Racism, Denial & Mistrust Ahmed M.I. Egal — ...USA — 18 April, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction The peoples of Africa and Arabia are closely interconnected by geography, kinship, history, religion, trade and culture, yet today, in the realm of international politics and diplomacy, they are separated by a yawning chasm of mistrust. The important question is why Africa and Arabia, which have so much in common and which, on the face of it, should form such natural allies in global politics, are in fact distant in the main and often antagonistic to each other underneath a thin veneer of surface amity? In point of fact, ten (Mauritania, Morocco, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Sudan, Djibouti, Somalia and the Comoros) out of the twenty two members of the Arab League (AL) are located on the African continent (the Comoro Islands are located off the East African coast) and are, therefore also members of the African Union (AU). Both Africa and Arabia, in the main, threw off the yoke of European colonialism during the latter half of the 20th century and both suffered from the arbitrary drawing of national boundaries under the imprimatur of European conquest. These inheritances of artificial national boundaries lead to the rise of similar nationalist responses, i.e. Pan-Arabism and Pan-Africanism, in both regions. The de-colonisation era of the 1950s and 1960s saw the rise of nationalist Arab and African leaders, e.g. Gamal Abdul Nasser (Egypt), Ahmed Ben Bella (Algeria) and Kwame Nkrumah (Ghana) among others, who saw a natural Arab-African alliance taking a leadership role in global politics through the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM). The struggle to liberate Palestine from Zionism and South Africa, Zimbabwe, Angola, Mozambique and Namibia from apartheid was viewed as one and the same and it united the nationalisms and international politics of Africa and Arabia. Indeed, in a historic UN General Assembly in the late 1970s, Africa and Arabia united the overwhelming majority of the Third World behind them in passing a motion declaring Zionism a form of racism. Thus, was the ruling, theocratic paradigm of Israel equated with the odious racism of South Africa’s apartheid and the close friendship between those two pariah states born of shared ostracism in the community of nations. The question this paper seeks to answer is how and why the Arab-African relationship declined from this peak of collaboration and fraternity to the present frigidity and mutual suspicion. The Demise of Leadership One of the reasons underlying the distinct cooling of the African-Arab relationship is certainly the passing away or fall from power of the nationalist leaders that initially cemented it, notably Kwame Nkrumah (Ghana), Gamal Abdel Nasser (Egypt), Ahmed Ben Bella (Algeria), Mohammed Ibrahim Egal (Somalia), Sadiq Al Mahdi (Sudan), Abdi Karumeh (Zanzibar/Tanzania) among others. These visionary leaders were replaced, in the main, by much lesser men with little or no vision of a strategic, anti-colonial alliance of Third World countries underpinned by an African-Arab axis that focused upon the decolonisation of Africa and Arabia. Of equal importance is the fact that many of the replacements of these independence leaders in Africa were military officers who came to power through coups d’etat instigated or encouraged by one or the other super power. Thus, the anti-colonial impulse driving African and Arab diplomacy became subsumed in the capitalist vs. communist geo-political rivalry of the East-West blocs. The surrender of the anti-colonial nature of the struggle for Palestinian nationhood to the East-West geopolitical rivalry was more marked in Arabia than was the corresponding struggle for the independence of the African countries mentioned above. After the 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbours, the front-line Arab states (with the exceptions of Jordan and Lebanon) consciously adopted a pro-Soviet stance in response to America’s clear and overt pro-Israel policy, while America’s traditional allies in Arabia, principally Saudi Arabia and the oil-rich Arab Gulf states, sought to punish the US and its Western allies by quadrupling the price of oil overnight. Thus, the Palestine-Israel dispute became an essentially Arab-Israeli conflict with the two protagonists lined up along an East-West axis with each superpower supporting one side of the conflict. While the UN was the forum for the each side to present their case and seek the moral and diplomatic initiative, it was a clear fact of realpolitik that resolution of the dispute would only come from superpower intervention and disposition. The anti-colonial nature of the dispute and the sway this factor held throughout the Third World was still evident in the plethora of General Assembly resolutions passed in favour of Palestinian rights and statehood, and the numerous vetoes the US had to employ to shield Israel from Security Council resolutions that sought to censure it for its denial of Palestinian rights. Despite the clear support of the overwhelming majority of the Third World for Palestinian rights, the 1973 Arab-Israeli war cemented the transformation of the Palestine-Israel conflict from an anti-colonial struggle into Arab-Israeli proxy, regional conflict between the superpowers. Israel won that war largely because the US commitment to Israel trumped the USSR’s commitment to Arab victory, as evidenced by the massive airlift of US arms and materiel to Tel Aviv, not to mention the US’s dire warnings to the Soviets about US action should Israel’s internationally recognised borders come under Arab threat. The superpower primacy in the Middle East conflict is clearly demonstrated by the fact that the disengagement of forces and the eventual ceasefire was agreed between Washington and Moscow, and not between Israel and the Arabs. By contrast, the struggle for national self determination in southern Africa remained anti-colonial in nature despite the efforts of many in both the West and the East to reformulate it into an American-Soviet conflict through proxies. Thus, during the 1970s and 1980s, the liberation struggles for self determination in South Africa, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and Angola were able to secure massive public support in the West despite the antipathy of many Western governments. Another factor underlying African-Arab estrangement under this heading of leadership demise is the effective withdrawal of the Arab members of the AU from African diplomacy after the exit of the nationalist leaders listed above such as Nasser and Ahmed Ben Bella. The successors to these nationalist leaders saw the future of their countries exclusively within an Arab axis and not equally as part of an African grouping. Thus, Arabia and the AL became the principal focus of the regional politics of the Arab members of the AU, while they paid lip service to African regional politics and the AU. The only exceptions to this general trend within the AL members of the AU were Sudan and Somalia which were both active in African regional politics for their own different reasons. Sudan, while seeing its destiny within the Arab world, was faced with the civil war in the south where Christian and animist Africans demanded autonomy and a share of power from the Muslim, Arab speaking north. With the discovery of commercial deposits of oil in the south, the north was unwilling to relinquish its power over the south, while the military dictatorship ruling Sudan increasingly sought to legitimise its grip on power through appeals to Arab nationalism, adherence to Islam and religious purity, which further alienated the non-Muslim Africans of the south. The Sudanese regime, thus sought to play an active role in the AU to forestall African criticism of its increasingly brutal suppression of southern aspirations and the human rights of its African citizenry. To the Arab world, Sudan very effectively played the card of Arab nationalism and religious solidarity which were well received – more on this later. The case of Somalia is quite different. The Somali people don’t have Arabic as their mother tongue as the do northern Sudanese (in fact Somalis have their own language – Somali – which belongs to another family of languages (Cushitic) which includes other north east African languages e.g. Danakili, Galla, Oromo etc.), although Somalis are overwhelmingly Sunni Muslims. Also, while some Somalis claim descent from the original Arab sheiks that brought Islam to East Africa, they do not consider themselves Arabs in the same way as do the northern Sudanese. Indeed, it would be more accurate to depict the Somali perception of their relationship with the Arabs as first or second cousins. The decision to join the Arab League was taken by Somalia’s pro-Soviet dictator, Mohammed Siyad Barre, in 1973 for essentially economic reasons when it became clear to him that while his Soviet patrons were a willing source of arms and military training, they would, or could, not provide him with the financial largesse he desired. Barre was successful in his aims and Somalia’s accession to the AL resulted in a massive inflow of bilateral and multilateral Arab funds and capital into that country. Needless to say, most of these funds were appropriated by the ruling elite to finance their rapacious appetite for luxury goods and services as well as for arms to maintain their ruthless grip on power. Thus, by the 1980s the Arab-African alliance and solidarity that was fashioned by the nationalist heroes of the 1950s and 1960s had atrophied into estrangement with each bloc largely going its own way, although lip service was paid to mutual solidarity at international forums such as the UN and the NAM. It is very interesting and telling that no head of state of an Arab, north African country (except Muamer Ghadafi) sought to host an AU summit meeting, or its predecessor OAU, and so become its Chairman, although nearly all of these countries have hosted AL summits. Culture & Identity – Racism & the Legacy of Slavery The ten ton elephant in the room in any discussion of the African-Arab relationship is the rampant racism festering in Arabia within the lingering legacy of slavery. Unlike the West, where slavery was an economic construct upon which the mercantile and agrarian power of European imperial, colonialism was built; in Arabia slavery did not form the base of an organised, economic system of production of goods and services. Rather, it was a largely cultural phenomenon whereby ownership of slaves denoted the wealth of the slave owner much as did ownership of gold, and therefore, his or her standing and status within society. It has sometimes been argued that Arab slavery was somehow more humane than Western slavery, since the former was more of a cultural construct than a purely economic one, and thus slaves were often treated better in Arabia than in Europe and the Americas. The truth is that African slaves were as much a commodity to be bought and sold in Arabia as they were in Europe and the Americas, thus this facile and self serving argument needs no refutation here and is best left to wither on the vine. It is a fact that slavery was abolished in some parts of Arabia as recently as the 1960s, and that until this day the term “abid†(slave in Arabic) is routinely and casually used by many Arabs to denote blacks, without the slightest compunction or awareness of the insult. It is also true that in those Arab countries with significant black populations, principally Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, and the Gulf States, that blacks tend to be at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder by all measures of development and advancement, i.e. education, employment, home ownership etc. The second half of the twentieth century witnessed the de-colonisation of much of the Third World and the simultaneous enfranchisement of minorities and extension of civil rights to all members of society in the West. This wave of liberation and empowerment of oppressed peoples, which was vigorously resisted by vested, sectarian interests, underlies the success of democracy and representative government over totalitarian communism and the demise of the Soviet empire. This tidal wave of emancipation and extension of human and civil rights has passed Arabia by entirely and the Arab world continues to be bound by the chains of ignorance and xenophobia, particularly in relation to race and prejudice. The most egregious example of this overt Arab racism in international diplomacy is the case of southern Sudan. During all the years of the savage, civil war in that country, neither the AL, nor any Arab country ever sought to mediate between the Khartoum government and the rebels in the south to seek a peaceful solution to the humanitarian disaster unfolding in that sister country. While the AU was also slow to take up the issue, by the mid-1980s, it had initiated talks between the protagonists and indeed it was this AU initiative that eventually resulted in the peace deal that ended the war. What is truly sad and pathetic is that to this day, many prominent Arab pundits continue to persist in seeing the peace agreement between the Khartoum government and the SPLA as a dastardly scheme to dismember an Arab country that was/is orchestrated by a Western (read American), Christian and Israeli cabal. These myopic pundits are completely oblivious to the historical, racial dimension to this conflict and the inherent justice of the cause of the southern rebels in fighting for their civil and human rights. The AL is now applying the same callous and misguided myopia to Khartoum’s latest assault upon another distinct group of its citizens in Dharfur. What is particularly inexcusable here is that the conflict in Dharfur does not have a religious component, since both protagonists are Muslim, although it does have a racial one in that Sudanese Muslims of African racial origin are fighting for their rights against a Sudanese government lead by Muslims of Arab racial origin. Once again, Arab nationalism and racism trumps African human rights and civil justice. The Role of Islam – Alienation & Denial Unlike Christianity within which developed branches that sought to reconcile slavery and racism with the teachings of the Bible, e.g. the Dutch Reform Church of South Africa, Islam was from the onset clearly opposed to slavery. Indeed, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) purposely selected Bilal (a freed African slave) as the first muezzin to call the faithful to prayer to demonstrate the equality of all Muslims (and therefore mankind) before their Creator. Thus, while slavery certainly persisted in Arabia after the advent of Islam, it could never be cloaked in bogus religious rationalisations since a fundamental tenet of Islam is that all of mankind is “abid-allahâ€, i.e. slaves to God but to none else, indeed Islam prohibits Muslims from bowing subservience to any entity but Allah to whom they bow in prayer. This direct conflict between the egalitarian teaching of their faith and the entrenched racism of their cultural legacy of slavery presents Arab society with a social and psychological schism – a cultural schizophrenia, if you will. On the one hand, there is the religious impulse of Muslim unity, or the “ummah†(i.e. the unity of all Muslims often referred to as the Muslim nation or Pan-Islamism), while on the other there is the cultural, Arab identity from which the abid is distinct, inferior and excluded. Thus, co-existing within the Arab, Muslim identity is both adherence to an egalitarian, inclusive faith and an overtly racist, exclusionary culture that has never addressed its xenophobia and oppression of minorities head on. Any African or person of colour, who has lived or visited the Arab world, can freely attest to this psychological dichotomy, or cultural schizophrenia, which is widely prevalent in Arabia. This racism is not confined to Africans or people of African descent, but is also applied to people from the Indian sub-continent, Asia, the Pacific and Latin & South America. Interestingly enough, people from Europe and North America, or the “white†world are subject to a reverse racism since they are viewed as dominant and superior. One African, Muslim intellectual, who lived in Arabia for many years, recently opined that the tacit, but practised, racial hierarchy in Arabia was more layered and variegated than the apartheid system of South Africa. At this juncture in history, with the rise in the Arab and wider Muslim world of an armed, anti-Western, political movement that cloaks itself in a narrow, anti-historical, fundamentalist interpretation of Islam, and the corresponding rise in the West of reversion to a crude and xenophobic imperialism, the contradictions between the inclusive nature of Islam and the unaddressed racism underlying Arab culture are becoming ever more acute. Nowhere is this dichotomy more stark than in Africa, where the new fundamentalist, jihadists are actively seeking adherents among the Muslim populations. Their exhortations for jihad against the Western infidels are largely falling on deaf ears among Africa’s rapidly growing Muslim population, with the notable exception of the failed state of Somalia. In this sad and largely forgotten country, a decade and a half of anarchy have created an environment in which a desperate citizenry will clutch at any straw that seems to offer even a faint hope of stability, while heavily armed, mercenary militias are available to the highest bidder. In the long run, however, the jihadists are doomed to fail since they have no vision for development and socio-economic advancement, and only offer a theocratic autocracy and a backward, feudal social system that is alien to Africa. Conclusion The Arab-African relationship is destined to remain mired in distance and mutual mistrust until both sides muster the courage and faith to speak honestly to each other. The Africans must stop biting their tongues in fear of losing Arab aid and financial largesse and address the issue of Arab racism directly and forthrightly. For their part, the Arabs must be willing to look inwards honestly and frankly and address the issue of race within their societies as well as and the racial dynamic of their international diplomacy. They must also frankly and openly put to their African counterparts the requirements Africa must fulfil to be a full partner for Arabia in forging a new strategic alliance, not only in the political arena, but also in the economic one. The combination of Arab capital and African land and material resources could create an economic powerhouse to rival both Asia and Europe, however this cannot be even contemplated, much less realised, until both sides eschew the present dialogue of the deaf and initiate one built upon honesty, a willingness to consign the past to history, and a desire to forge a new future. Ahmed M.I. Egal 11 April 2006

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, Nacayb iyo cudur aan daawo lahayn ayaa kaa buuxa ninaw. Wax kale oo aanan maqal mahaysaa sxb. peace.

Mr. Code talker, make some sense before I can respond to your post sir, waa hadii aad aniga ila haystay hadii kalena wadada cab sxb.

assalamu Calaykum, Aniga laftaydaa ayaa yaaban sxb. Suldaanka, You don't have to be the one to respond to my reply since I am not only addressing those whom we hail from the same region but rather all. I can comfortably say the issue in Somaliland is easier to deal with, because there is peace and prosperity in Somaliland. I am only glad that is happening. However, the point that I am trying to explain to you exactly is that people are always better off being United for they are stronger and have more credebility if they are together. I don't agree with the lame arguments that Somaliland and Somalia used to be two seperate nations before the British and Italians came, when the truth is that Somalis were always one people in one nation and the British and Italians divided the nation and therefore created border lines that we call terretories today. I know that you going to go into some sort of history written by an British or Italian. My question is what is the benefit for them in dividing the Muslim people? One should not be fooled by the evil plan of dividing Muslims. The evil has prevail in dividing the Muslims nations, because the Muslims including Somalis have failed to realize the trap the was designed for them. Everyone knows the failure in Somalia (South), and I am not really following the nonsense posted by Caamir, but in reality terms, we must realize, if we are those have peace in Somaliland, that these are our brothers that deserved our rescue from themselves. Instead of capitalizing the turmoil in the South, we should be sending help of any quantity to try to help out our brothers in Moqdisho and else where. This sort of action wouldn't be a one done voluntarely but rather it's an obligatory on us, because they are part of our family and one shouldn't watch them while they are suffering in the hands of blood thirst warlords and the the evil plan of the current warlord government in Somalia. So Mr. Suldaanka, I am really surprised, global Isamazation would be great to have, but that seems to be far from reality, but first let us start with Somaliland and Somalia. You cannot tell me that you are for United Muslim world, but then to refused the unifaction of only one ethnic Muslims (Somalis) let alone the whole entire Muslim world. Let me try to list the benefits of unified Somaliland/Somalia/Galbeed/Jabuti/NFD: Bigger land, Bigger population, more dominant power in the horn, more respect from neighboring countries, more respect and name from the world, better oppurtunity of reaching new heights (two heads are better than one). and the best of all-- one big Islamic nation inhabited by ethnic Somalis, now that would good to have. May Allah bless the Muslims and forgive our sins. Peace and stability for all. Assalamu Calaykum.

Originally posted by nameless_chick: Assalamu Calyakum cajiib maxaa kudhacay macalim bada cas (majacalid bada guduud) Yaa arkay maal mahaan macalimka dhan oo class kaan ka ah? Maficin yahay ama waxbaa ku dhacay? Class kaan waxaay rabaan macalim kajiro oo wax baaro class kaan. Sidee ahay afka somali sidaan ucqoraay? If you can't understand me too bad. assalamu Calaykum, I am here Ms. Nameless chick, I was just waiting for you to respond, because I didn't want to replay what this thread went through previously, apparently some people just want to chat when this is a class room with legitamate teacher (me), a sub. teacher (Miskiin Macruuf) and a student(Nameless chick). If there are other students who want to register this class, they need to do so in the front office. Anyways Miss chick. You did well on that writing and I did understand what you meant in 100%. However there were few mistakes, so let me rewrite what you wrote. Here it goes---- Cajiib maxaa kudhacay macalim Bada Cas? Mise Bada Guduudan, majeclid miyaa in lagugu yeedho (waco) bada Guduudan? Yaa arkay maalmahan macalimkii dhamaa ee fasalkan, mafiican yey mise wax ayaa ku dhacay? Fasalkani wuxuu rabaa macalim wax kadhiga. Sidee buu yey Af Somaliga sidaan u qorayaa? Well I think you think you did good job, and ignore those who say Nameless can't learn who to write Somali. Well the writing you just displayed there sticks to them.

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, Hello my fadhi ku dirir brothers. Refering to little conversatins you had, I would say it's very important as well as it should be in everyone's priority to have a unified nation that regulates under the Islamic law. I am for that only, any other form of government is in extreme error, and yes that includes the democratic system that many brag about around here. Assalamu Calaykum.

Originally posted by nameless_chick: Assalamu Calaykum IB abaayo angiga waxaa bartay hoqaa afka somliga sida looqoro. Adiga meeshee aaday weekaan, maxaa kugu dhacay? I think thats how to write it. Assalamu Calaykum, Masha Allah, kadaa ms. Namless ahayd halkaa ha udhaafin, that is enough for her for the day, she can't handle much more than that. One more thing have little confidence in yourself, don't say "I think that is how to write it", because you got it girl. :cool: IB, you wanted to know how much she has acquired since you been away, well there is your answer, and I have no doubt that you wouldn't be able to tranlate or understand what she said there unless she has tranlated to you in English. Ms. Nameless, I understood perfectly of what you said there, keep it up, you got an A+ for that response. Assalamu Calaykum.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: And the basic Soomaali colours are: Cagaar [green] Gaduud or as the macalinkiisa would like you to say 'cas' [red] Baluug [blue] Jaallo [yellow] Madoow [black] Caddaan [white] lol, look at my subtitute teacher steping it up, nice going sxb. Akhyaar. However, I do also have some additions to your list of the names of the colors in Somali. Here are mine, mostly the same though. Caddaan=white Madow=black cagaar/doogo=green bluug=blue cassaan/guduud=red. that is why it's better to say Badda Cas rather than Bada guduudan, or is it just me here? soosali=purple basali=pink. mayay=gray daruuri=cloudy Huruud=yellow (Jaale is bit Taliyanish eh) Lastly, miss nameless, some Somalis say Casaan=white, but it's not correct way to say. Assalamu Calaykum.