Originally posted by Allamagan: [QB] Honestly speaking these words above don't make any sense to me at all however I heard people saying it is "sleep" Hurdada am I right? Waar waa balo, they do make sense, otherwise you wouldn't have guested right or did you randomely cracked it away? Googaa, Wax KUN BAAL LEH OO AAN BIRQIN KA BOODIN KARIN. top that;) This is lively thread, I like it alot.

ETHIOPIA-SOMALIA: Scores killed in inter-clan fighting in northeast HARGEYSA, 2 Jun 2006 (IRIN) - At least 39 people have been killed in four days of inter-clan fighting in Daroor, a remote township in the Somali Zone Five region of Ethiopia, local sources said. The region is near the border with Somalia's self-declared northeastern republic of Somaliland. The clashes, which broke out on Monday, pitted the Habar Yonis against the Idagaale after the two sub-clans disagreed over the construction of a water reservoir in the area. Both are from the Garhaajis clan, whose members are mostly found in Salahle district of Somalia's Togdheer region. It was the first time that such skirmishes had occurred in this area between the two sub-clans, Sultan Mohammed Sultan Abdikadir, a traditional leader said. At least 34 people wounded in the clashes were brought to hospitals in Somaliland's capital, Hargeysa, and Burao town, some 350kms from Hargeysa, medical sources confirmed. "We have been informed that some [of the wounded] are still in the clash-hit area and we are mobilising health personnel to visit that area and administer treatment to those wounded," said Osman Qodah, Somaliland's health minister. On Thursday, three peace delegations comprising Somaliland ministers, legislators, members of the opposition and traditional leaders left for Daroor township to try and reconcile the two sub-clans. "I am saddened to learn what happened in Daroor, several lives were lost and many more wounded. As leaders it is our responsibility to embark on this mission and try to stop the fighting and bring peace between these two close communities," said Somaliland opposition leader Ahmed Mohammed 'Silanyo'.

Paragon, I agree with you. Anyone who applies religion into this as though whatever Somaliland is doing is SIN and everyone else who is for "unity" is righteous is utterly wrong. Abdullahi Yusuf, the President of TFG is a warlord for your information folks, so are you telling me his cause is righteous one. Same can be said about Riyaale Kahin and Somaliland. The fact of the matter is it's all for anything that benefits the well being of oneself. National pride,love, and unity has eradicated from the heart of all Somalis. The only thing left is Qabiil and yes nation can be based on qabiil, such the TFG's is divided among qabiil not based on leadership qualifications. Codetalker, Puntland didn't donate any weapons to the TFG. The weapons were from Yemen for Abdullahi Yusuf and his government through the Bosaaso port. That is just fact, I thought you were following the reports,

Originally posted by Maakhir: But, It was Bargal and Alula in the North Eastern region that Italians used air bombardment in April 1901 in a punitive expedition to stop the penetration of the North Eastern Sultanate into Obbio. REALLY!! Did warplanes existed back then? Besides the history has Taleh for being the first place in Africa to be bombarded from the air. You can probably tell us more of where you have gathered that peace of history from. In addition, regardless of where you stand on the Somaliland issue, you must admit that war between Somaliland and Somalia is highly evidable, that is the main point that author is trying to make in his writing. Whether he might be viewed as traitor or not, he chose to go where he could get some green from and that happens to be in Somaliland right now more so than other regions such as Puntland. The point of the article isn't trully focusing on seccesion, but rather that Ethiopia-Eritrea type of conflict is evolving between Somaliland and Puntland which could danger his region Sool more than others. This is clearly evident through the situation in Sool right at this moment. The discussion should be what to do about it, rather than saying Somaliland is to blame and this and that. What can we do about it, what is the solution to this problem?

assalamu Calaykum, May Allah rest his soul in peace and forgive his sins. there is a lesson in this for us all to not be out that late at night knowing that there is possiblity of the same thing happening to us. I agree with "Aniga waaye", it's after that party which was also held near or on University Ave. in Minneapolis that might have been the starting place for the violence to occur. As stated in the report, the brother went to St.Paul college, which I have also went to for one year and that is probably where I knew him from. May Allah rest his soul in peace and forgive his sins and his family as well as all of us. Assalamu Calaykum.

The fighting between the two groups has been halted, Thankfully. Waa ilaahay mahadii. Xabad joojin rasmi ah oo lagaga dhawaaqay colaadii ka dhacday Daroor Posted by: qaran Waxa maanta lagu dhawaaqay xabad joojin rasmi ah,oo ku saabsanyd colaadii u dhaxaysay labada beelood ee walaalaha ahaa ee ayaamihii la soo dhaafyba ku diriraaya aaga Daroor ee Kinilka Shanaad ee Itoobiya. Xabad joojintan waxa xaqiijiyay gudidii dhexdhexaadinta ah'yd ee gurmadka meeshaasi u tagy, sidoo kale waxa ay ku guulaysteen in ay kala fogeeyaan labadii ciidan ee diriraay, iyada oo lakala dajiyay laba goobood oo kala durugsan xaga qaarna fadhiisin looga dhigay Aarjoog, kuwa kalena fadhiisin looga dhigay Kaam Ugaadh, labadan goobeed ee lakala geeyay ayaa qiyaas ahaan isu jira 15KM. Magaalada Daroor ayaa waxa hada hoganaaya waftiyo dhaqameedyo iyo ka kala socda xaga Itoobiya iyo Somaliland, gudida dhex dhexaadinta ka wada mashaqadan ayaa shaaca ka qaaday in ay maalinta barito ah ay gali doonaan qaybtii labaad ee wada xaajoodka waxa maalinta barito ah ay labdii beelood ee colaadu dhex martay keeni doonaan 25 oday beel kastaaba halkaasi oo maalinta bari ah Kontonkaa, 50 odayba maalinta barito ah lagu dhaarin doono si ayna rabshad danbe u dhicin, taasi oo ay labada dhanba isku waafaqeen una xalistaan dhibkooda. Dhanka kalena waxa sugan amaanka dhamaan agagaasi oo la keenay ciidamo ka socda Itoobiya oo si buuxda ula wareegay amaanka agagaasi ay colaadu ka socotay, magaalada Daroor ayaan wax hub ah iyo colaad ahi ka muuqanin gabi ahaanteeda iyo agaga kale ee u dhaw dhawba kadib markii lagu guulaystay xabad joojinta. Kadib dhaarta barito ee xubnaha la dhaarin doonana waxa la guda gali doonaa sidii arimihii dhacay oo dhan loo soo wada af-jari lahaa looguna dhamynlahaa wada hadalo taasi oo labada dhanba ay ka muujiyeen niyad sani iyo walaaltinimo. Arintan ayaa dhamaan laga soo dhaweeyay gudaha iyo dibada Somaliland iyada oo lagu guulaystay in aan dhiig danbe si dhayel ah ku daadan waxa ayna farxad galisay dhamaan dadka reer Somaliland. Dhacdadan ayaa ah tii labaad ee mudo yar oo kooban ka dhex qaraxda beelo walaalo ah oo ka tirsan reer Somaliland, dhacdadaas hore oo iyana ay golaha guurtidu ku soo guulaysteen xalinteeda. Hadaba qaabkan dib u heshiisiinta ee hilaabmay ayaa waxa uu u eegyahy in loo maaraynaayo ama loo maraayo qaabkii loo xaliyay colaadii tan ka horaysay oo iyagana min 25 oday laga laga dhaariyay jilib kasta oo ka mid ahaa labadii beelood ee ka tirsanaa beesha *********** oo iyagana la soo afjaray colaadoodii dhawaan dhex martay kadib dadaal iyo dhexgal ka tagay xaga Somaliland lagu xaliyay qaab walaalnimo iyo is afgarad . Khilaafyada noocan ahi ee la xalinaayo waxa ay fariin cad u yihiin in ay wax ku qaataan dadka ku diririraaya dalka aan jaarka nahy ee Somaliya oo ay daacad ka noqdaan sidii ay khilaafkooda u soo afjari lahaayeen, Ilahayna ha garansiiyee lakiin tan iyo tii ka horaysay ee la xaliyayba waa tusaale fiican oo ku dayasho mudan. Qarannews24 Hargiesa Somaliland

Assalamu Calaykum, Few months back there was a conflict that took place in the further Southeast of Ethiopian controled Somali zone five region which involved two subclans from Puntland(Galkacayo) and another from Gedo region leaving death and destruction. In more recent, there was a conflict in Buuhoodle district of eastern Togdheer which involved in two sub sub clans after one clan claimed that a member of their clan was bewitched by a man from another sub clan and as result 12 people died from that conflict. In the last five days, there has been a fierce conflict involving between two sub sub clans from the same clan in Zone five region resulting in 24 deaths and 40 injured. All because of small things such as "this is my land not yours" or "you can't drink from this well of water" and extera. It's really unfortunate that Somalis have found the blood of their brethers something easy to spill . Even the closest of Kins are showeing no mercy to one another. Today you are my kin and tommorow you are my enemy is a way to define their mentality. But in truth it's as Somalis put "kaadhimay oo kugu dhimay". Please stay tune to the reports and pray that Allah ends this conflict as well as others around the greater Somali regions. [Xaaladda Deegaanka Daroor Oo Maanta Degen Ka Dib Ergooyin Kala Duwan Oo Gaadhay Somaliland.Org — Hargeisa, Somaliland — 1 June, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hargeysa (Somaliland.Org)--- Xaaladda Deegaanka Daroor ee kililka shanaad ee dalka Ethiopia oo dagaal socday seddex maalmood uu ku dhex maray laba beelood oo ka soo jeeda Somaliland ayna ku naf waayeen dad gaadhaya 25 Qof kuna dhaawacmeen 40 meeyo, ayaa maanta degenayd, sida uu shabakadda Somaliland.Org u xaqiijiyey Maxamed Cabdilaahi Xaaji Xuseen oo ku sugan magaalada Daroor. Maleeshiyaadka ku dagaalamay deegaanka daroor ayaa kala durkiyey ciidamadooda ka dib markii ergooyin culus oo iskugu jira salaadiin, siyaasiyiin, culuma awdiin iyo aqoonyahano badan oo ka kala yimid Hargeysa iyo Burco ay gaadheen deegaanka Daroor. Muuqaalka Deegaanka Daroor iyo Gawaadhida Ergada Ku Sii Jeeda Dhex dhexaadinta Labada Beelood (Photo Somaliland.Org) Xaaladda ammaanka ayaa ahayd maanta iyo xallay mid aad u xasiloon iyadoo gadiidkii istaagay ee iskaga gooshaayey dhinacyada beriga iyo galbeedka daroor ay maanta si caadi ah u furmeen, waxaana maanta halkaasi ka bilaabmay wada hadalo u dhexeeya odayaasha iyo waxgaradka deegaanka daroor oo ka soo kala jeeda labada beelood ee ku dagaalamay deegaankaasi, waxaana wada hadalkaasi dhex wada wufuudda culus ee halkaasi ku sugan, iyadoo dadweynaha deegaanka daroor ee ay labada beelood ka soo kala jeedaanna ay si weyn usoo dhaweeyeen xallay ilaa shallay ilaa maanta ergooyinkani ku soo qul qulaayey deegaanka daroor. Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga KULMIYE Oo Gaadhay Deegaanka Daroor Halkaasna Saxaafadda Ugu Waramaya Goor Dhawayd (Sawir) Labada Guddoomiye ee Xisbiyada Mucaaridka KULMIYE Iyo Ucid Axmed Siilaanyo iyo Eng. Faysal Cali waraabe oo hadda ku sugan iyaga iyo wefdi ay hogaaminayaan ayaa saaka waxay kulano la yeesheen odayaasha labada dhinac iyagoo iskaga dabqaaday sidii heshiis iyo xal kama dambays ah looga gaadhi lahaa MOHAMED ABDI HASSAN (DIRIDHABA) Somaliland.Org, Hargeisa diridhaba@gmail.com

PEACEFUL SEPRATION BETWEEN SOMALILAND AND SOMALIA IS ALTERNATIVE TO WAR: While many of the world press covered the on-going war in Mogadishu, an almost state of war was looming last week over Las-Anod, a disputed town between Somaliland Government and Puntland Administration of Somalia. Entirely un-noticed at the moment, the Las-Anod dispute could develop into Ethiopia-Eritrea kind of War between Somaliland and Somalia in the near future. Peaceful negotiation between Somaliland and Puntland could be an alternative to war over Las-Anod. It was a Grand traditional ceremony in Las-Anod town, located nearly 500 km south of Hargeisa, capital of Somaliland, where a powerful traditional leader, Garad Jama Garad Ali, was crowned in front of a huge number of high rank politicians from Somaliland, Puntland and Somalia. The attendees held entirely different political views on the future of the Las-Anod town in particular, and the disputed Sool and Eastern Sanaag regions in general. The event, although very much traditional, has attracted a huge number of politically diverse politicians, and made possible for the first time in more than a decade to bring them together inside Las-Anod town. The presence of such high profile politicians like the 2nd Deputy Speaker of Somaliland House of Representatives, dozens from the powerful Somaliland Kulmiye opposition party, as well as the former prime minister of late Somalia Transitional Government, Mr. Ali Khalif Galaid, was not easily comfortable to the Puntland interior Minister, Mr. M. Xaab-sade, who was the main organizer from the Puntland Administration. The President and the Vice president of Puntland were both present in the ceremony. Though most of the officials have now left the town, they left behind an important message; war between Somaliland and Somalia (puntland) Administrations is inevitable in the near future over Las-Anod town. â€No body else can put a flag on Las-Anod, but we should look for peaceful resolution.†said the Puntland President, Mr. Adde Muse, in the ceremony. Three divisions from the Somaliland Army had already being deployed in Adhi-Addeye, just 23 km west of Las-anod town and have been there now for two years. "We are free and will remain so," said the Somaliland president, Dahir Riyale Kahin, last year. "My country will not talk to Somalia about unity, but we may talk about being good neighbours." He warned. Puntland Administration, on their side, maintains strongly armed militias mainly in and around Las-Anod town. In the case of war, the population of Las-Anod will, therefore, face extremely precarious humanitarian crisis. The majority of the population, estimated as 35,000, will be forced into displacement inside or outside both regions. Most of the suffering will be faced by the innocent women and children in Las-Anod town. There are strong excuses for both administrations in a war over Las-Anod; Somaliland is defending itself within its own international borders including mainly Sool region, and part of Eastern Sanaag inhabited by ***** Sub-Clan. Puntland, with the green light from the President of Somalia’s Transitional Federal Government (STFG), Mr. Abdullah Yusus, on the other hand, is defending Somalia’s territorial integrity at one point, and at the sametime, fighting for preventing the break-up of ***** / ****** clan territory between Somalia and internationally recognized Somaliland. Somaliland is currently better equipped militarily and economically than Puntland administration. But nevertheless, Puntland will certainly seek military and logistic support from the Somalia’s Transitional Federal Government in Baidoa. Can this potential conflict be avoided in a region already troubled with mass refugees, internal displacement and frequent droughts? Some observers say that, the Africa Union should intervene in before the situation gets worse, warns International Crisis Group (ICG) – a world think-thank security agency in a recent report. Some African countries, including South Africa and Ethiopia, are sympathetic to Somaliland's claim for international recognition, but reluctant to cause a diplomatic reckon, ICG added. Western nations are even more cautious until, perhaps, the outstanding Las-Anod issue is peacefully resolved. The African Union (AU), suggested by International Crisis Group, needs to engage in preventive diplomacy now, laying the groundwork for resolution of the dispute before it becomes a confrontation from which either side views violence as the only exit. But will the African Union have the capacity to do so. Past experience shows that the AU has got neither the necessary expertise nor the muscle to intervene the Somali political affairs up to that level. The International Crisis Group also suggested for the AU to undertake extensive consultative process among the various political stakeholders and meantime grant Somaliland an observer status in the Union so that Somaliland could raise its demands more officially to member countries. This is extremely important and necessary for Somaliland at this moment. But without peaceful settlement of Las-Anod issue, however, there is a little chance to avert possible war in the region. Both administrations may postpone a potential conflict over Las-Anod for one to two years. “The dispute between Somaliland and Somalia will become an ever-increasing source of friction, and possibly violenceâ€, warns ICG experts. I suggest it is a negotiated separation and peaceful settlement of the dispute in Sool region and Las-Anod town that could essentially lead to permanent peace and stability in the whole region. Early negotiations on the disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland Authorities can potentially defuse the political situation in the entire region. It is also possible for peaceful separation and co-existence of two independent Somali states in the Horn of Africa. Without this, the dispute between Somaliland and Puntland could develop at any moment to potential conflict similar to that between Ethiopia and Eritrea prior to their 1998-2000 border war. The war on Las-Anod is not going to be like the relatively smaller scale war that South Somalis have seen for the last decade. But it is going to be tough and extremely threatening to the stability in the entire Horn of Africa region, since most of the regional governments are also forced to playing their role in the conflict. Both Somaliland and Puntland must be urged to do everything possible to avoid war in the region. The so called front-line states, notably Ethiopia and Yemen could play significant role to prevent possible territorial war between Somaliland and Puntland. Recent attempts to bring into the discussion table between Somaliland and Puntland Presidents in San’a and later on in Addis-Ababa for negotiated separation and peaceful settlement of border dispute should be further encouraged. But the initial efforts for peaceful settlement of the dispute must be supported by the People in both regions and must come from both Somaliland as well as Puntland authority. As pointed out earlier, a peaceful separation between Somaliland and Somalia is now possible given the recent political developments in both Somaliland and Puntland. Somaliland Government should further be encouraged to peruse peaceful settlement of the dispute in Sool region vis-à -vis Puntland Authorities as an alternative to war. The African Union should pursue diplomatic efforts for a peaceful separation between Somaliland and Somalia. The Africa Union may opt using its political influence through Presidents of Ethiopia and Yemen, who both have got high level of political interest in the Somali affairs in the region, to arrange fact-to-face negotiation between Somaliland President, Mr. Dahir Rayale, and Puntland President, Mr. Adde Muse. Are two peaceful Somali states in the Horn of Africa possible? It is economically and politically feasible. Peace and stability in the region are among the top fundamental priorities of both Somaliland and Puntland leaders. Both Somaliland and Puntland must be urged to do everything possible to avoid war in the region. The Somaliland Government should be encouraged to peacefully resolve the crisis in Sool region and initiate strong commitment for roundtable discussions on peaceful separation between Somaliland and Somalia with Puntland Authorities as early as possible. We should note that the lack of international investment in the region is a pressing problem in both Somaliland and Puntland development efforts. As the oil prices jumped to the highest levels since 1970s, international oil companies are closely assessing the political stability in the region for exploration of possible oil reserves in both Somaliland and Puntland. Due to the territorial dispute between Somaliland and Puntland, however, no foreign company is currently willing to step in to examine the numerous oil fields in both regions for the development of its people in both administrations. Without adequate security and international recognition, both Somaliland and Puntland will have to suffer from poverty, ignorance and hunger for generations to come. "Who wants to invest in a country that is not internationally recognized?" asked Mr Awil, the Somaliland Finance minister in a recent interview with a foreign journalist. "No one: it is too risky. That's what is really holding us back." Mr. Awil concluded. The Puntland President, Mr. Adde Musse, has also pointed out the lack of security as the main problem facing his administration’s ambitious development plans. “Whenever we tray to explore the natural resource of the region for the creation of employment and development, some people initiate a trouble†He said in his speech at the Grand Ceremony in Las-Anod. The newly crowned Garad Jama Garad Ali may also be urged to initiate a peace process between Somaliland and Puntland for the good of his people in Sool in general and Las-Anod town in particular. Before uniting Somalis, let me remind the Garad to represent and speak on behalf of his desperate people, whom are caught in potential conflict at home. If the new Garad puts all his efforts to the resolution of Las-Anod crisis, I am sure; he will be remembered as a man of Peace for generations to come. I believe it is the time we should extend our wholehearted support for a negotiated and peaceful separation as an alternative to war between Somaliland and Somalia, and, therefore, live in peaceful neighbours in the troubled Horn of Africa region. Dr. Abdulkadir Askar, Member of Somaliland House of Representative, Elected from Sool region. Comments are welcome. Send your e-mail at: askar211@yahoo.com

Bad time heh Duke? he seems to recieve warm welcome from the Bosaaso residents.

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, Although Las Anod is claimed by both Somaliland and Puntland, it's a city within it's own state. Las Anod can be linked to Puntland, because of clan affliations and to Somaliland because they were under the British colonial territory along with Burco and Hargeisa and the rest of Somaliland. However, I must totally agree with my good friend Soo Maal that Las Anod is neither Somaliland nor Puntland. If some folks refer Las Anod to be part of Puntland well then that is were I come in to claim that Las Anod is also part of Somaliland. So there are two choices in this matter, one is that Las Anod is either part of greater Somalia and capital city of Sool province or it's self governing city within it's own territory meaning it's not part of Somaliland nor Puntland State. General Duke and other folks calling themselves to be PUNTLANDERS, Puntland is composed of many states that existed seperately before Somalia collapsed . I can understand the fact that Puntland came about to try to create and unite the people who share common clan identity in order to restore peace in that region, which was when there was no central government in Somalia. So my question is, since a new government (if it even deserves that title) is formed why can't this term "Puntland" be eliminated so that each and every state within what is now Puntland can have its own leader or governor rather having Cadde Muse as the head of more than one state acting idependently, even signing Mining deals with foreign companies without the written consent of the federal government itself? Doesn't this concern you? or do you actually believe that you are "Puntlander" then a Somali second and that Puntland is a state within a state, where in the world do you ever see that happening? If you are from Mudug, Bari, or Nugaal you could say I am citizen of any of those states, but to say you are Puntlander meaning you came from all those mentioned states doesnt' really work nor does it make any sense to rationally thinking people. Thanks for your time, Assalamu Calaykum.

This is just one man's opinion and writings, therefore it doesn't really reflect the views and opinions of the people of Somaliland regarding about Bashir Rage. I don't even think alot people in Hargeysa know who exactly this guy is other than being one of the warlords. But hey whatever helps your case is good, same goes to Abdullahi Yusuf and his made up warlord parliament. Love story? General seriously bro. you have run things to report haven't you? Maarkitka wariyenimada ayaa kacsan baryahan danbe soo maaha?

Originally posted by Jimcaale: [QB] How would it feel to debate and try to convince a solid rock to find a shelter for the upcoming winter storms? It really feels that way when you engage a debate about Sharia with someone who doubts the infallibility of the prophets and argues his knowledge about Islam is beyond imagination that he does not need the hadiths or the work of the Taabiciyin & Culumaa of Islam. Exactly, you know what we should do in this kind of situation is to just turn away and don't bother anymore. Like Allah mentioned in the Quran, " Wa idaa khaadaba humul jaahilu qaaluu salaamaa". If you can't convince an ignorant one with the truth, then leave 'em. What else can we do, we have told them everything we got, yet they are still in stage one of the debate.

Originally posted by besbaaso: unless u are talking about homosexuals...i thought that condoms are used by men when have relations with women....correct me if i am wrong but in what way r they excempt then? [/qb] BESBAASO, manaxaysid bee. Sowdigan beerka iskaga taagay wixiiba.

ASSALAMU CALAYKUM, Ms.Besbaaso first of all I would like to congradualate you for being in your 4th year medical school. I think that is great accomplishment, I really do. However, you should not get emotional for I am not stating ladies shouldn't take part in society and educate themselves for the benefit of their ownselves just like everyone else. But what I was pointing out exactly is that when we talk about condoms, imagine condoms, I expected that most of the people specifically ladies in whatever their educational background might be to kind a take it easy on this. That is all I meant to say, however, everything else that you have stated is really unnecessary to say the least. You can reach your goals and dreams and I am glad once again that you are in medical school, but being in medical school and knowing about as you put the bodily functions is different than discusing about condoms. However, what you can do is, you can provide us with your knowledge of harms it can do and its benefits since you have medical background. moreover, I am aware it's the 21st century, but what difference does it make. Does it mean we have to abandon our way of life of self censoring? this applies to me and the rest, however, this topic isn't the best place to try to excercise your womanly rights walaal. So let us not misjudge one another shall we sis? Ms. Valenteenah, we all know it's not age permisible for you to bear 40 kids. However, my point is that we are encouraged to have as many children as possible. How many kids we should have shouldn't be our worries, Allah will make that decision, we are only responsible of making the efforts. If we don't have any kids then, that is Allah's decision and we have to be satisfied if Allah blesses us to have as many kids as possible, then there is no point of stoping as long as it doesnt' cause any medical issues to the mother. For further details here is an article regarding birth control: Family Planning & Birth Control In Islam The question of family planning and birth control was discussed in detail by the Majma al-Fiqh al-Islaami. They had twenty three scholars research this topic and present their findings on this matter. The participants involved represented many different trends and schools of thought. Among the participants were Muhammad Ali al-Baar, Ali al-Saaloos, Muhammad Saeed Ramadhan al-Booti, Abdullah al-Basaam, Hasan Hathoot and Muhammad Sayid Tantaawi. Their proceedings, papers and discussions may be found in Part One of the Fifth Volume of Majallah Majma al-Fiqh al-Islaami (1988/1409 A.H.). These proceedings are 748 pages all about the question of birth control and related issues. The following are important points related to the issue of birth control in Islam. These were mentioned by some of the participants in the above program: * The institution of marriage and the want to have children was the custom of the best of creation, the prophets and messengers chosen by Allah. Allah says about them: "And indeed We sent messengers before you and made for them wives and offspring" (al-Raad 38) * The best example for the believers is the example of the prophet Muhammad (saw), who married and had children. These prophets and messengers are the people whom Muslims should look to emulate. Allah says: "They are those whom Allah has guided. So follow their guidance" (al-Anaam 90) * They should be emulated and not the disbelievers of the West, whose new lifestyles - mostly out of concern for enjoying this life or obtaining as many worldly goods as possible - discourage women from having more children. * Islam has forbidden celibacy, monasticism and castration for such purposes. The prophet (saw) made this clear when he told those companions who were considering acetic forms of life: "I pray and I sleep; I fast and I break my fast; and I marry women. Whoever turns away from my way of life is not from me." The prophet (saw) not only encouraged marriage but he encouraged marrying those women who are child-bearing. He stated: "marry the loving, child-bearing women for I shall have the largest numbers among the prophets on the day of Resurrection." (Recorded by Ahmad and ibn Hibban.) * From the Islamic perspective, children are a gift and a blessing from Allah. Allah mentions some of the bounties that He has bestowed upon mankind in the following verse: "And Allah has made for you spouses of your own kind and has made for you, from your wives, sons and grandsons, and has bestowed upon you good provisions." (al-Nahl 72) Allah also said: "Wealth and children are the adornment of the life of this world." (al-Kahf 46) * The only true provider for all mankind is Allah. If Muslims follow what Allah has prescribed for them, Allah will provide for them. Allah has warned about killing one's children out of fear of poverty for either parents or the child. Allah says: "Kill not your children because of poverty - We provide sustenance for you and for them" (al-Anaam 151) Allah also says: "And kill not your children for fear of poverty. We shall provide for them as well as for you. Surely, the killing of them is a great sin" (al-Isra 31) Hence, Muslims should never abort or kill their children out of fear of poverty. It is Allah who provides for them. Based on the above points and numerous others, the scholars who participated in the research on this question came up with the following resolution: -It is not allowed to enact a general law that limits the freedom of spouses in having children. -It is forbidden to "permanently" end a man's or a woman's ability to produce children, such as by having a hysterectomy or vasectomy, as long as that is not called for by circumstances of necessity according to its Islamic framework. -It is permissible to control the timing of births with the intent of distancing the occurrences of pregnancy or to delay it for a specific amount of time, if there is some Shariah need for that in the opinion of the spouses, based on mutual consultation and agreement between them. However, this is conditioned by that not leading to any harm, by it being done by means that are approved in the Shariah and that it not do anything to oppose a current and existing pregnancy. Very good points if you ask me that go straight line with the facts. assalamu Calaykum.

I kind a like this new guy, he asks who are you people and his name is Ask me? what a laughter Hey askme, I don't really know what you are asking us, so do you mind asking yourself before you ask anyone else what is that you are made of?

Originally posted by General Duke: I think its another example of this TFG's incompetence..It really does disapoint me. [/QB] Well that is what you get saaxib for relying on politicians to deliver for you in the clutch times. They just won't do it the way you want them to do the job.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Think about this yaa Castro: in the last five years thousands of Somali migrants made to USA and today they call it home. Thousands more live in different parts of Western Europe. While it is a commendable charity from them (the west) and a timely help for us (as a people), it is quite suspicious, is it not?, as to why they show that much interest in bringing us here (our wellbeing), and remain indifferent at best and contented at worst with the blight of our land. Why would they sabotage every effort that goes in resurrecting out state? Clearly this world is organized in such a way that no one nation alone could function in a separate mode. If Somalia is ever to come back in to being again it sure needs all the help it could get. But our rebirth is deliberately being aborted before our own eyes. Organizations are launched and efforts mobilized to advance evil plans against us. Who’s advancing separatist case on the international stage? Who’s linking us to the terrorist groups to discredit us all? And more importantly, who’s supporting the murderers of Mogadishu, and fueling the civil war? The answer for all of these questions is the west. Or at least active and influential elements in the west, with a receptive ear of the relevant authorities, do that. Why? A simplistic answer would be they do all of that to us because they hate us! But I demand more than that. How could a poor Somalia be an object for their hatred? Everyone is aware of the plot, however, the question is what can you do about it? we can say hey the West is to blame for our failures, but the end of the day the problems lie squarly on our shoulders, because we failed to realize them. let us not blame the West or anyone else, but rather ourselves for being foolish enough to fall into the hole designed for us. Let it be that it might be, but we still have a chance to quite frankly to reverse the whole process and instead turn the whole dynamic and the direction of that we are going, and steer it in any direction we want. Maybe you and I might not be the prime target, but our fruits will be. However, we can change that by settling here, spreading our religion and turning these countries' values believes into Islamic ones. That is how to win over them; using our intelligence and spreading our believes and values. P.s. Castro and Xiin, don't you think it's little too late for you two old folks to be hunting still, I mean how more of hunting season are you planing to go on before finding something? Xiinfaniinow, sawkuwan gabdhihii suuqa ku batay saaxib, sideebaad useegtay kuwaa?

XAGAA=FALL to be exact. How to say, give us some space in Somali. In souther excent: Layrta noo banee nooh, see waaye adi hay. In Northern excent: naaw, aar ba laydha ka baydh, waamaxay looxan dhagaha leh. Back to the topic. boy I got a say, some ladies here might be real vonurable to cyber predators. Like who ever said that she felt in love with some stranger she once met in chat room. Salaamad.

Assalamu calaykum. Congradualations sis Justice, I am really happy for you and your newly husband. The fact that you are happy with your new partner is a signal of a marriage that will last long. I wish you both the best of everything. Secondly, remember you are the one who has discovered the treasure of marriage, so don't take any advice from your fellow ladies who are still searching for what you have found already. I doubt their advice is any good. Offcourse love and gentelness should be your main priorities with you and your new husband. Saying "I love you to him" is something that you should do as well as he should too. Finally, make sure he knows that you love him so much and that he was and still is your first choice. Assalamu calaykum.

Assalamu Calaykum, Greetings to all my beloved sisters in SOL's women's section. As the title of the thread states, marriage is very important thing in life. It makes the journey of life alot easier for both men and women, it provides comfort, joy, and most importantly children to leave behind to benefit us later on. Some of you might still be asking what exactly are my intentions for posting this. Well my intentions are nothing more than what you can already sense throught the writings which is to encourage and remind us all the importance of marriage. Our prophet salalahu calayhi wasalam once said, "Yaa macsharal Shabaab, manistadaaca minkumul baa'a fal yatasawaj".Meaning , " O who you young udults, if you are able to get married, then get married". In this hadith, the prophet is encouraging us to get married at young age if we are able to take that responsibility and handle that duty. This means that you are able to provide your family with thier necessary needs etc. However, before one can get married, he/she must first find a partner in which he/she can share his orher future. The following things, I think are the most important things to look in a guy. Why pick only a guy? well because this is the women's section isn't in it? First the guy must be-- 1. responsible ( able to handle family duties) 2. good character (not an aggresive, but patient person) 3. Knowledgeable (knows the rights of his family upon him provided by the religion offcourse) 4. Iman ( most important choice; must have faith in Allah) 5. finally, he must be of YOUR CHOICE ( partner which is chosen for you won't be a good idea, Kind a like a dress someone else bought you;possible that you may not like the size,color, or the fabric, same applies to marriage). Finally, if you are still waiting to get married, just remember not to wait for too long. Peace. assalamu calaykum.

I don't think there is any reason why it's big problem for him to visit Puntland. After all Puntland is part and parcel of his government, and therefore he has the authority to decide when and when not to visit Puntland, not the otherway around.

Originally posted by besbaaso: HOW IS THAT FUNNY?... :rolleyes: ... It's just little ackward of Somali ladies disgusing condoms with Somali guys. I mean has the culture where girls use to be ashamed of such topics behind us?

Assalamu Calaykum, I don't choice but to respond, so excuse the tone of my language if it disturbs you little bit. The talk of condoms aren't my territory you know. I don't really have much time in my hands at the moment to try to quote hadiths from the Prophet SCW, but I will momentarily provide with what I have grasped from my readings and lectures that I attend from local Masjids. There is no place in the Quran or in Hadiths that says condoms are probhibited offcourse, because it never existed at the time of the revelations, but it's a compliment to some other things, that we can take it as an evidence to try to prove why they are Haram or not. In Islam, it's encouraged for us to have as many kids as possible, ONLY if you are married offcourse. If you are not married, you should know that sex is Haram period without questions asked. We are not allowed to stop having kids if we have the means to produce them. However, if the wife is unable to carry a baby in the womb due to health issues , but yet is able to have intercourse with her husband, then I don't see any problems using it , because in that way the husband and the wife can still go on with their routine,and yet the wife doesn't have to worry about getting pregnant and being in risk of health problems that can occur afterwards if she gets pregnant. Third, if the wife is healthy and is fully able to carry the baby in her womb and there are no alternative health reasons that would get in the way of her of carrying a baby, then there is no way you can use condom so that the wife won't get pregnant. Islam doesn't allow taking long breaks between babies if there are NO health reasons for it. finally, only if the wife is in risk of health problems if she carries a baby, then yes I can't see why you couldn't, but if it's being used for the fun of it, then no way Jose.

assalamu Calaykum. Bismilah, let see. The place that I would love more than anything in this Milky way to live in is Makkah, because it's where our religion and our beloved prophet were both borned. I would love to just be close to where it all happened. Makkahatul Mukaramah, there is no place like it on earth period. Assalamu Calaykum.

Originally posted by Cara: The only ones I know are #1 and #8 What are the answers please?