Originally posted by As-Safiir As-Sakhar: Great news Duke! What will the courts do now is the question? If I was them, I'd attack Baidoa right now, because they know, once the arms embargo is lifted the government (TFG) will move fast! We will see, what they will do but I wouldn't be surprised, if they would take my advice and attack the government, whilst it is still relatively 'weak' and disorganised! Like the japanese attack on pearl habour! Would someone please let Hassan Dahir know, that we need a second pearl habour. Tora, Tora, Tora! It's one of the rules in SOL to not write anything that doesn't make sense, because the chances are if they don't make sense to you , they won't make any sense to anyone else. SO you are killing me here Mr. Sakhar, please come again. You might questioned why I am laughing at this? well, I am stunned on why you think it's "good" news the arms embargo is lifted. So I have to ask you why is it such a good news, and what does Pearl Harbor of all things has to do with the Somali politics, it's just not good example for the situation.

assalamu calaykum, If the courts can install a Islamic government that operates under the Islamic sharia, then Somaliland will volunterely march towards that way. What the courts should do now is make sure they don't blow this once in a lifetime oppurtunity. they need to bring the whole south under one unmberella, the Islamic unmbereralla. By then I am very positive everyone from Somaliland and Puntland will want to have a position in this newly Islamic society under Allah. I can only dream that this happens, but unity is not possible under the TFG, because it's corrupt itself. Duke, Riyale Kahin, Abdullahi Yusuf are all the same list, they are on the criminals and the get rid of them list. They and other so called politicians are the source of the Somali problems. The Indha Cadde that you have mentioned is fired from the cabinet of the courts. But before, that Cirfo guy can be taken care of, the thug in Baidhabo has to be removed first. You speak of action being taken by the courts, how bout smoking out the warlords in Muqdisho within a few months buddy? besides, what action has Abdullahi Yusuf taken since he was "elected" other than offcourse beg for militar supplies and the armsembargo to be lifted? and perhaps go few visits down to Addis Ababa to take few plans from Males Shaydaan Zenawi on how Zenawi wants things to go in somalia. So sorry Duke for you are pushing the wrong bandwagon. assalamu calaykum.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: [ Allow sahal libaax seexday bay niman salaaxeene.. ! [/QB] Ishaa ka laadlaada Dacawo (the warlords) kumuu quus qaadan miyaa Oday Abdullahi Yusuf iyo wixii lasocdaaba?

*****aykum masalaam, walaalo Sakharow ma iisheegi kartaa xaga aad ka heshay warka in ay Maxaakiimto ay cadaadis ku hayeen ama ku hayaan dadka "laan gaabka" ah amaba dan yarta ah, mise wararkii Qabiilnews ayaad ka soo xigsatay warkaa isaga ah? Indha Cadde waa laga bixiyey xukunka Maxaakimta ah, haduu xumaa isagu ku dhaaf. Dawlada xukunka gacanta loo galinayaa waa tee, ma tan mujrimka Abdullahi Yusuf hor kacayo ee aan Baidhabo oo kaliya wax qaban karin, teeda kale doorasho way galeen Sheikh Shariif Axmed ayaana ah hogaamiyaha Xukunka Maxaakimta ah, Aweys qaybta militeri( military branch). Hadaad mooday, maxaakimtu in ay yihiin Qabiilkali ah, waxaad ogataa shalay ninku dhaawac may oo ahaa ragii jabiyey Qaybdiid in uu ahaa nin Udhashay Beelaha reer Puntland. salamu Calaykum.

assalamu calaykum, First and foremost, lifting the arms embargo on Somalia will not benefit anyone, it will only feul flames. If there is anything that Somalia doesn't need today is more weapons. There are already weapons in every corner of the Somali republic. So if the arms embargo is lifted, the TFG will become stronger therefore bringing law and order to the whole country? is that your anaylsiz Duke? what a insane way to look at things, the fact is, it doesnt' matter how much weapons that the TFG gets if let say the embargo is lifted, it still can't get anything that way and will only trigger more voilence in the country. However, what the TFG should worry about is trying to take care of basic things which it hasn't done, such as bringing food and providing water, medical supplies to the civilians that it was elected to serve for. Naxar Nugaaleed, Besides what is under Puntland control and the TFG, everything else comes under the courts with the exception of further South in Kismayo which is controlled by Barre Hiiraale who has been willing to work with the so called elected government. There can be disarment without the need of arms embargo being lifted and without the need of outside force to intervene to do the disarment. The courts are willing to hold any sort of talks with the TFG, there is no more powerful group than the courts rightnow,so there you have it. If the most powerful group said they are willing to sit down and reach agreement peacefully, then why do you think it's necessary for the arms embargo to be lifted in order to disarm certain group? If the arms embargo are lifted and Abdullahi Yusuf tries to use his newly acquired weapons against the courts, then he can kiss his current post good bye as well as the whole TFG. So be careful what you wish for my friends, the warlords flexed their muscles and thought they could wipe out the courts, but they were in turn wiped out. The same can be said about Abdullahi Yusuf so called government. He won't know what hit him if he takes that step. Mr. Duke, just because Horn hails from tribe x doesn't give anyone the authority to associate him with a worlord Hiiraale. Be respectiveful my friend and don't associate a decent human being with a killer. That is my advice to you. Sakhar, is Abdulahi Yusuf a Muslim, I thought he belong in the faith of warlordism? that is a news to me. assalamu Calaykum.

assalamu calaykum, Man, can it get any sweater than this, Muqdisho and the peaceful atmosphere that can be seen through those pics. Lively. Nin Ilaahay magaciisa ku dagaalamaya waxba isma hortaagin karaan. The conterversial Indha Cadde is now fired, so the only remaining memebers of the courts are pure from any Qabiil minded folks. In fact, the fighters are not drawn from one particular tribe as supposed by some, there are members from the tribes who hail from Somaliland and Puntland regions who are being treated in Medina hospital from bullet wounds while they were fighting against the last wave of warlord era in Muqdisho on the side of the courts. May Justice and peace prevail in Muqdisho. Amin.

XOOGA, I was gonna say that. I can't tell when Sakhar is joking from when he is being serious. let see and wait for clarification from "shiekh" Sakhar about this flip floping.

I won't, you are forgiven, but you have to be willing to be schooled. Bring a Quranic book, so we can start the Arabic alphabet in your pursuit to start a new life onto the right path. This Abdullahi Yusuf bandwagon that you have been on has worned you out player.

I won't, you are forgiven, but you have to be willing to be schooled. Bring a Quranic book, so we can start the Arabic alphabet in your pursuit to start a new life onto the right path. This Abdullahi Yusuf bandwagon that you have been on has worned you out player.

What kind a answer are you looking for? if it's unity, then I am in no position to provide you with your answer, so once again, if you are looking for an answer go to Hargeisa, Burco, Berbera, Borame, and fill out a requisation form making it okay for Somaliland to unite with the South. The decision rests with those over there not me sir, get it?

Double post.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^No my brother, there has been requests to recognise Israel as documented by ME in this thread. Most of these have come from the diaspora and so called intellectuals who support the secesionist cause. Even in this thread Qudac and others have shown it. I know you do not agree, even though you would like to divide the nation.. I suggest you come out against the likes of Qudac, and others here who are in favour of the Zionist over the Arabs and hence Muslims.. Assalamu Calaykum, First and foremost we need to differenciate the opinions of Qudhac and the opinions of other Somalilanders. If Qudhac has to make rubish statements, well that is his problem my friend and I don't agree with it. However, to say the people living in Somaliland in general are against Arabs and their own faith, Islam is totally inexcusible and arogant judgement to say the least. The people of Somaliland or Northwestern Somalis if you might want to call them are Muslims just like other Muslims. They hate and dislike what other Muslims dislike, and they worship what you worship. Therefore,for anyone to say they would welcome Isreal before their Arab Muslim brothers is just insane. Don't take the examples of few confused so called intellects' articles to prove to me that Somalilander' are pro Isreal. That is just common sense. Sida yahoudu Makah iyo Medina uga xaaranta yihiin ayey berberana uga xaaraan yihiin. The letter that was said was written by Igal is not authentic at all, everyone knows that except the topic starter. Since when does someone say to another that he was willing to be his "servent"? amazing Walahi. Whatever a politicians does has no sagnificance meaning to me whatsoever for I don't trust them of what they do, but I doubt Igal would ever attempt to write such letter, and if he did he would have done better job, then say "I am willing to be your honour servent Sharon". MR. Duke, you have accused me of dividing the nation, what nation? The fact is that Somaliland has secceed already by their own will, therefore you have to respect the will of the people. If Sanaag and Sool want to seceed from Somaliland based on it's residents' willingness, then I have to also respect that as well. moreoever, Mr. Duke, I cannot except any critism from folks like you for you continously support warlord Abdullahi Yusuf aka Xabashi daba dhilif. My friend, you are in no position to say anything about anybody, because you continue to support a warlord that has the backing of Somali people's ultimate enemy; Ethiopia. Finally, whatever you mr. Duke, Qudhac, Me say is all the same to me whatever forms your claims might come in. One of you might claim he is a Somalilander, and another might claim to be a patriotic and pro unity, when in reality you are nothing but pure qabilists who work hard to advance their clan interests on the cyber space. That is a fact that you need to deal with or you can once again continue to blindfold yourself as usual. The lost generation, so long.

Duke kaga bilaw. Lol, when you said that Sheikh Sakhar, Duke dispeared. Duke where are youuuu? Seriously Sakhar, the courts are no joke, so take your jokes where they are merely appriaciated.Thousands of Muqdisho, Jawhar, Gedo, Baledwayne, and many more, are in support of the courts saxib. So you are making a joke out of the people who saved the entire population of most of Southern Somalia from the warlords in Allah permission offcourse. It's no joke.

Duke kaga bilaw. Lol, when you said that Sheikh Sakhar, Duke dispeared. Duke where are youuuu? Seriously Sakhar, the courts are no joke, so take your jokes where they are merely appriaciated.Thousands of Muqdisho, Jawhar, Gedo, Baledwayne, and many more, are in support of the courts saxib. So you are making a joke out of the people who saved the entire population of most of Southern Somalia from the warlords in Allah permission offcourse. It's no joke.

Hello, I say, finish them all off and show no mercy to them as they showed no mercy to anyone including women and children for the last 15 years or so. May be give the teenagers who have been abducted to fight for the warlords a chance at life by letting them surrender. I have heard there are scores who have already surrendered and now in Islamic schools learning the Quran and basic human needs that has been missing from their lives for over a decade. Thanks wiilo for the article.

So yapping online will do the trick eh? As far as I know, both you and I are sitting in foreing country puting up words on screen that mean nothing, so if you stand uup and go over to Hargeisa, then maybe we can follow you.

Originally posted by General Duke: 100% correct. May I also add that the secesionist have asked for this same thing 14 years or so, why have the Israeli's ignored them? Isreal ignored, because any such request from Isreal never happened and never will.

Hello, Mr. Me as your other posts, this particular letter was also posted up in SOL in time before you joined this place. This letter was determined to be fake, hence G. Duke knows it. Just because it has Igal's name on it, and a address doesn't make it real letter written by Igal. So where to go for once again making a fool out of yourself sir. We have seen this one before, what else do you got next? As much as I appose name callings and offensive language to be brought here, I must say that you don't deserve a healthy feedback for posting such a filthy article. This is not a proper thread, therefore it doesn't deserve a proper reply. So long mister.

Allahu Akbar, mr. Me, how can I with all due respect can you expect me to respond back while you are not paying attention to anything that I say. Listen to me very carefully, I am not saying people should be divided, but I am saying people are ALREADY divided, with the population in Somaliland against any unity. Therefore, my point is if the population in Somaliland aren't willing to reunite with the South, then it's wrong to hold anything against their will. Please remember to not quote from the Quran without any basic knowledge of it. The Quran is the not thing to push your political agenda. The unity that the Quran is talking about is not the same one as somalis, but it's saying all muslims should be united under the Islamic law. So if you present me Somalia with a Islamic laws prevailing then I don't see why not, but that is not the case is it? So please understand my point for the sake for argument, because if you just like to argue just to waste people's breath, then tell me so I can stop bothering wasting any further energy in this please.

Assalamu Calaykum, I have refused to discuss further in this, but remember Mr. Me, I have always stood against corrupt politicians in any form they come, but the problem that you are forgeting to realize is that these talked about politicians are everywhere in the Somali peninsula. So therefore, don't make it seem as though these corrupt politicians are just in Somaliland alone, this is the point that I am trying to make in which you have simply overlooked once again.If you think Somaliland is the only problem, then think again saxib. Have a good day now.

Originally posted by me: My friend any secession is wrong because it is not in the interest of my people to be divided even more and especially along clan lines. You call it 'SUCCES', I choose to disagree. Hello neighbor, "success" I was actually going for the overused term of seccesion. But anyways, yes the Somalis in Somaliland have been more successful than brothers from elsewhere would you agree? The fact that Somaliland is secceding is something that was came up with by a politician, then the people have embrassed the idea and the majority of the people in Somaliland back up such step. Unity, peace and prosperity for the Somali people are the ideals and they would be truly a success. I agree, but peace and prosperity is something that can be reached in union or in a lone state. Peace, properity, and success for all is something I hoping all Somali people shall reach one day insha Allah. The secession on the other hand is a temporary solution that will in the long run lead to more misery for all Somali people. I chose to think things through and I came to the conclusion that we are better of staying united. So you came to the conclusions that Somaliland Somaliland won't be successful in the long run according to your vision from the future eh? I am not going to make any speculations on this, so I will leave to Allah to decide the future, he knows what to do with his servens. The reasons are: - You can not build on qabiil, just like you can not build on quick sand. That example is something that I don't get, but if the qabiil chose to succeed, then what can you do about it? If that certain qabiil chose to do things in their way, then all you can do is wish them good luck, that is what I would have done? - We will become smaller states that get bullied by our neighbours (Ethiopia) Unfortunately, even if Somalia was together today, Ethiopia would still be involved in our affairs just like they are now with current government headed by Abdullahi Yusuf. - Economic development in the mini-states will be minimal since we will get increasing populations, more unemployment, Poverty and jaad addictions. These points you have just scripted above dont' make anysense with all due respect, Jaad addictions? so I gues unity would eradicate that? And if you want to stop the jaad or ban it, the bully (Ethiopia) will not allow it since it is one of its main exports. NO, once again you lost it there, Ethiopia can't force us to buy Jaad, are you kidding me man? if Somalis can afford to stop chewin qat, then Ethiopia won't be able to sell it to us, because there won't any buyers; common sense.] -Minimum agricultural lands in the North, how will the people be fed? Imported food? -In years of drought how will the people survive? Should we forever be slaves to Western Aid? The north has very large area that has the potential of producing every thing needed. From Western Hargeisa all the way near Borame, from Gabiley to Oodweyne, Cadaadley, all these locations have great agricultural potential that are capable of providing food to Somaliland incase. Even during Somalia's peak days, we still relied on Western aid for the most part,that is just a fact known to everyone. (Maslow's pyramid) 1. Physiological (Biological needs) 2. Safety 3. Love/Belonging 4. Status (Esteem) 5. Actualization According to Who Maslow,listen aint listening anything from crazy Psychatrist, how about according to Allah or his prophet? I am done with this chit chat, so long inadeer. Assalamu Calaykum.

Assalamu Calaykum, Sister Rahima, I think you have proven and presented your position on this very nicely, and I time again have agreed with you that it's up to the people of each state to decide what they think is best for them. If the people in Somaliland choose to remain with the rest of their brothers in Somalia, then that is their choice, but if they on the other hand want to seccede, then that is their wants and it has to be respected by all parties concern. There is no force involved or making someone believe in anything that is against his/her will not work. Mr. Me, brother, I don't know if this is your first time that you have being exposed to such topic, hence you feel the urgence to discuss this topic continuously, but I have to say to you once again in clear manner that no one that can persuade someone of what they simply won't except. If Sool and Sanaag want to go their own way,then that is fine too for everyone has a choice of what they want to do. Xoog ma jiro, qof lagu qasbay wax aanu rabin, waa dulmi bilaa raad ah. To simply shed a light of what is on the ground today. The reality is that Somaliland has already seceded although not recognized by the international community but the people of Somaliland aka Northwestern Somalis have decided to have a different agenda whether it's good for them or not, and that is something you just have to live up with wether you like it or not. In addition, I am fully aware of your position as of this time, so really there is nothing much more that you need to loose your sleep over in order to try to prove to us which that you have already discussed with us in this particular topic. So thank you, I am not interested in further discusion in this topic for we are just going in endless cycle. If you want to carry on, well that is your call, but I shall let my horse rest right here. I also understand that we are discussing this same issue in another topic, so that is one topic in two different threads amazing. Shaw saaxib baryahanba waxaad la'ay wax kaa neefiya oo kaa hadal siiya, waa digan butaacay nonstop eh. Dhawr bilood sug, waynu arki in aad wali hadal kugu hadhay iyo in kale eh. Sidaadoo kale ayaan haan jiray markaan cusbaa. Laakin aragnaa. :cool:

MR.me, let me once again tell you that it's up to those in Hargeisa/Burco/borame,Berbera to decide their destiny. They have chosen to succeed, so will you then cry for them to be brought back to reunite with Somalia. This case applies to Sool and Sanaag by the way.

Originally posted by Garaad Caanood: I believe the best solution is first everyone should clean his room, before we talk about cleaning entire house because the house contains 18 rooms, because no one can clean entire house alone. Garadow, I agree with you on this point. But how can you deal and keep working on your room, while someone comes knocking your door every morning to tell you what to do with your room while his bed is still unmade? I just don't get that at all. Everyone should be concern of his corner for the time being.

Assalamu calaykum, Mr. Soo Maal, as you have said, we have both indeed came to common ground before and know one another's position. I am very aware of your position, and you and I had numerous times came to good and healthy conclusions, which is very welcoming from my part. To add few comments from my perspective on this issue regarding the situation in Sool and Sanaag. As I have brought up, it would definately be something that would benefit the people of Sool and Sanaag if they had the say and power to decide what goes on in their home regions. It doesn't make anysense, if a man who earns multi dollars from his comfy seat in Hargeisa or Gorowe to try to dictate the residents in Sool of how things should be run in their respective states. Mr.Duke, just because AF Qudhac is from Sool doesn't mean he will do something to improve the situation in Sool. Afqudhac is sitting in Gorowe and I don't know the last time he thought about building a hospital or small facility that would benefit the residents of Sool. He is currently runing on a course designed by Cadde Muse and he is not there to reprensent the people of Sool,if he did he would have done any good for them. He is there to earn name and money for himself and that is a fact that no ones can overlook. The same goes to Somaliland, the likes of Qaybe,Somaliland's speaker of the parliament is from Caynabo, Adan Cade, minister of agriculture is from Sool, yet these two men never went down to Sool except for special occazations to places under Somaliland authority. They never built or even hinted about doing anything for the sake of their home region in which they stand in its name. Cade Muse and Qaybe never wonder outside of Hargeisa to Sool or Sanaag to see what is like and what can be done to improve the lives of those people. The solution to this problems is to let the people of Sool choose a new leadership that resides within Sool and does things to improve his/her home region.This could be the Garaad Jamac if it's possible. The Sool and Sanaag region have been neglected by the claimed adminstrations of Somaliland and Puntland. Hargeisa and Galkacayo are as peaceful as any place. While places like Adhi cadeeye (Sool) and Majiyahan( Sanaag) are made to be political battlegrounds and locations where men settle their disputes, how unfair is that? I am positive that Somaliland would take an arms very swifly if this was taken place in Burco, and I am sure Puntland would have already been in war with Somaliland if the battleground was near Gorowe, but since it's happening in Adhicadeeye (Sool), then I gues there is no problem to them (Hargeisa and Gorowe) since they don't have to worry about being disturbed of their sleep. Another disturbing case was the flu shot case, which were coming from Somaliland . To be honest it wasn't coming from Somaliland to show leniency to those in Sool but it was rather a political game being played by Somaliland, and in turn Puntland refused the flu shots to come through to Sool, because they not Somaliland are in charge of anything that is given to Sool and Sanaag. While this going on the people of Sool and Sanaag are caught in the middle, and in the end no flu shots were recieved after it was turn political game. Allah knows it best, xaqa in laga hadlo oo aan lagu hadlin magaca siyaasi xun oo mujrim ah ayaa ka fiican wax kasta. Assalamu Calaykum.