Originally posted by me: Asxabul_kahf The ignorance is all yours and the ones that are stopping us from having an open discussion. Sometimes the censoring can go out of control. Arabism is not Islam and we should seperate the two. We are Somalis and we are muslims. So this whole Arabization is wrong. First they started with our names, with 98% of all Somali names being Arabic ones and most of those names are not even Islamic, just Arab. Now they want to change our dresscode and our Somali script. Soon the only language at schools will be Arabic. We should resist these Pro-Arab fanatics. The ICU should distance itself from this Arabism. The ICU should stay a Somali-Islamic organization. What? are you serious there my hometown boy? Our culture is Islam, our language is Somali but the language of our holy script, the Quran is Arabic. Our names are those of our noble prophets and companions, a change for the better is good.So don't fall or take the side of the arogant ones walaal. We can be Somalis, but our beloved Prophet was an Arab, therefore, it's our best behaviour if we behave like he did and dress like he did. Make sure you don't listen to the misguided ones fadlan inaadeer. Assalamu calaykum.

Who is this now, biixi? another one of those lost human beings, and who gave you the right to refer the noble Muslim dress as "ninjas". You are dispicable human being, and one looking for attention for sure.

Originally posted by Sophist: Wadooyinka marka laga reebo, maqaalkani wuxuu si fiican usawirey magalaada sida ey aadka ugu horumartey. Sawiro aan kasoo qaadey April 2006 ayaan hadii Rabi idmo isiin soo gudbin doonaa. Sophis soo dhaji bahlaha la iskaaga hadh baanu ku odhaneh. Put them on, I am anxious to see them.

Originally posted by Sophist: Wadooyinka marka laga reebo, maqaalkani wuxuu si fiican usawirey magalaada sida ey aadka ugu horumartey. Sawiro aan kasoo qaadey April 2006 ayaan hadii Rabi idmo isiin soo gudbin doonaa. Sophis 'ma"da kadaa, soo dhaji bahlaha la iskaaga hadh baanu ku odhaneh. Put them on, I am anxious to see them.

assalamu calaykum, hello friends, It's July, midsummer and it's time to nominate and honor your respected fellow SOLers. In this thread everyone can nominate who they think best fits these categories mentioned at the bottom.At the end we will see who gets the most of honor mentions and those individuals will be given Golden stars for being a crowd favorites. The categories go as this: The best in the Religion section: The best in Political section: " " General section " " Women's section. " " Sports' section. and so forth. If you nominate someone, tell us why you made your choice. Thanks, assalamu calaykum.

The funny part was when Bush said to Blair " we need to get Syria to stop Hezbollah doing this @#@%" and didn't realize his microphone was on. Not to mention, he had his mouth full while saying this. what a Pyscho!

SOOMALIDII baa iigu daran. Vietname iyo dhul aan loo joogin ayaaba la gaaray. Or maybe I could be wrong and you were there for business purposes, could it be that before I jump to the conclusion?

Originally posted by me: However in my opinion many pro-secessionists are supporting the courts nowadays because they would to see the Somalis in the Death triangle to suffer more and the war to continue so that it would it help their bid for secession. This animosity to our Somali brothers will not be forgotten and it is harming the solidarity among the Somali people, not only because we are from the same nation but also as Muslims we should wish no harm on each other. Once again brother you are being unfair to some Somalis. I think there are people who would see the status quo in the south to stay the same, but they are not only limited to Somaliland. Naxar Nugaaleed, define the term government for me and tell me if the TFG fits anywhere in your defination. Besides that, as a brother from SOL once said, in the TFG, every Somali clan put forth their worst AND the courts, the best of the best in terms of rightousness. that is all I have to say.

Assalamu Calaykum, I can see most of the guys are just passing a duca along. So first of all thanks for being honest and your true self sis.

I agree. Every brave, strong, and leader, there is always strong women behind him as they saying goes.

I am sorry ladies, I think I am in the wrong section. I promise I won't post anything here anymore, atleast it won't be about marriage. This thread is officially dead as soon as some non Muslim weddings are brought into this place. I was only refering to Muslim marriage, that is the only real marriage, everything is just plain taboo. p.s. sister Betta, you mentioned something something about tying the knot, what knot?

assalamu calaykum, Dear Mr. Me waxaa layidhi hadal haamo lagama buuxshee. Allah knows it best. Maybe the recent events that unfolded in the South with the courts getting rid of the warlords could be the break through of a new Islamic Somali state that is transforming right infront of our eyes. Insha Allah, ilaahay ayaa ka dhigi sidii wanaagsan. Assalamu calaykum.

MASHA ALLAH, a job well done I say by reer Laas Anood, the city of milky lakes.

I have actually read what you said, and quite honestly I can tell you most of it is what a 2year child would compose. Because you seem to be in stage 1 of the debate. I am pro unity and seccesion depending on the circumstances. I have already told you that I prefer unity under the courts or any other trusted and honest leader, but unity under any other sort of government is just pointless and destined to fail. I am arguing based on the reality on the ground, yours is mostly in theory.

assalamu Calaykum, Dear Mr.Me, I thought we were so close to reaching healthy conclusion, but once again you have raised some disturbing and irrational comments directed towards one specific region. Please before I say anything else read on what I had to say previously.You seem to be giving no attention whatsoever of what I am writing, so would you please restraint from this way of addressing the people. You don't need to do a list from your personal view point and make it seem as though its factual, make sure you give special attention in seperating your opinions from facts. I don't think I need to prove anything to you anymore, my stand has been firm and clear. So instead of asking me of where I stand in this current Somali fiasco, you need to find the threads that I have casted my opinions regarding my position. thanks, Assalamu Calaykum.

Dude you need to relax. The city of Xamar is everything saxib, that is the capital isn't it? the people of muqdisho support what you considere "thugs" and I think that is an insult to the 2 million living in the capital.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: ^^ Brother, I think what have said is one of the main problems of a return to nationhood. by this, I am refering your opinion that only under the right leadership will support unity, tel then, you will support the dismemberment of our nation. A sociaty can not be governed if every one, every entity, every group believes they have right to veto every action of sovereign government. It always bother when I read that clan so and so, adminitration so and so and hebel aya "kalsoonidi kala noqdey" so and so. In a democratic society, unless we want to remain in anarchy forever, a citizen must accept the will of the majority. I don't like so and so will can not be accepted as a legtemate reason to reject the will of an entire nation. For those who have made a sport out of bashing the character of our president and find it reasonable to reject or accept government based on their affinity for or hate of a certain leader, please. How can their be governance in a sociaty were everyone, person, group, faction, party, region, clan is veto wielding entity? Can you imagine this in any nation but ours? Even in America were the most of the citizens (more then 62%) do not approve of the their national leadership, do not demand such a thing. The will of one can not overide that of the majority. As far as I know, Abdullahi Yusuf isn't capable of leading a nation. And what legitimate government is there for me to say we should unite under? Abdullahi Yusuf was "elected" in '04 and he hasn't made any changes. Calling for unity under the TFG is like calling for unity under Puntland region as far I can tell, because most of the Somali don't support this so called transitional government, so present me with legitimate government with a legitimate leader, then we can have an argument about this. In case you might ask, mind are the courts backed up by most of Somalis and it has respected leader in Shiekh Sharif Axmed. I have my reason for apposing Abdullahi Yusuf, so what are yours in apposing the courts if I may ask sir? I think it is a huge mistake to compare a Muslim nation like us to a non Muslim nation. There is no such thing as majority rule in my agenda, it's what is right and what is wrong. The country shall be ruled according the Islamic sharia. All muslims are in support of the Sharia law except for few,those particular individuals are the minority then.

Assalamu Calaykum, Dear Mr. Me, Please don't stop posting, remember this is a discusion board. Keep it rolling. I thank you for the good compliments and sure everything you said there about the laxoox, sabaayad eating comparison is all acurate. There is no doubt in my mind that we share or are as close as two human beings who are not identical twins could be. That is a fact that I have always believed. I think even Qudhac can't deny that fact. The only thing that I would like to get off my chest here is that, saxib I am not supporting for any nation to be divided, I am only saying that since the whole former Somali republic is currently in chaos except for the Somaliland, Northeast region of Puntland. Then there is no point to really pointing the finger to one region and yes I understand why you are doing it, because it's your home region, but I am talking about others from other regions, who don't put much effort and skip over in stressing the problems that are facing us all from every region and rather make it seem as though Somaliland is the only problem. Another thing that bothers me is when people try to bring religion as if one particular region is more righteous than the other. If we had rightous regions among us, we wouldn't have experienced civil wars and amnosity towards one another. Which proves that since Somalis are suffering from Qabiil and amnosity towards each other, then that must mean that we are in this together and no region in the former Somali republic is more rightous than the other or more immoral and unrighteous. If we could get this straighten out then we are good. Finally, if you want unity my dear friend, how about the unity under the Islamic courts? them is who I support to unite us all. I am willing as everyone else should to support the courts for there is hope in uniting the Somali people for once and for all under the Islamic sharia. P.s, I am what the Southern Somalis consider Qaldaan and heck yeah I am proud of it. Also, you think you better looking than me eh, well we will see about that remeo.

triple post.

Qudhac's comments are in parenthesis for the better of our discusion. "Israel is independant nation that has international relations with nearly every single country on this plannet, so what exacly is wrong with having deplomatic relationship with another nation." I don't recognized Isreal as a State at all, how is that sound my friend? the land, I call Palestine. Or have you excepted the fact that Isreal was made to be after millions of Palestinians who resided in that land were forced into refugee camps just to make room for the "new" Isreali state. Damiir kugu ma jiro miyaa sxb? "ask yourself this why do nearly 90% of arab states have nearly full deplomatic relationship with them, even those that make noises make trade deals with them bewhind close doors." I don't care who supports Isreal and who isn't, what I care is whether we should support as a Muslim or not to which the answer is NO WAY JOSE should we have anything to do with Isreal in both diplomatic relationship or otherwise. "you another typical somali who takes this arab yahuud conflict seriously, these people were killing each before even our prothet were was born." throughout history, they have been the hard headed monsters on this earth that denied their Lord even after they were rescued from Pharoah and they were given cooked meal from the heavens. They still didn't believe Allah and they chose to turn away from Allah, then we need to turn our back to them. The current status quo in the mid east is also another reason as why we should never have anything to do with them. If let say Somaliland ever any diplamatic relationship, then you should know Isreali would be using us for their own interests and not so much of what would be in it for Somaliland. "so please spare us the two faced arab lines" I am more Arab, so even there we have a reason to side with the Arabs besides holding the same believes if that wasn't good enough for you sir.Anyways Isreal hasn't even mentioned or said anything about recognising Somaliland, so why all of sudden feel to be on their side of the argument.

Originally posted by me: Mr. Red Sea, I appreciate you coming out against Qudac's remarks and condemning those 'intellects' from the secessionist camp that are writing this rubbish. I am a Somali that is against the division of his country and his people; I do not appreciate you saying me being pro-unity is clan motivated, just as I wouldn't dare to say that clannism has made you a pro-secessionist.. You probably have better reasons then just clan My brother Red Sea, I truly value your opinions and respect your position; however I do not seem to understand why a man of your intellect would support a cause that will lead us to more misery I hope that one day we will be fighting side by side for a bigger cause, instead of being divided by these petty differences. Assalamu calaykum, My dear hometown boy ME and my brother in Somalism and most importantly in Islam. As much as enjoy having discussions with you, I have to say you sometimes put words into my mouth. I am in no way think or saying that you are wrong to believe that we as Somalis should be united under one adminstration, infact I think that is very good if we could have. However, what I am against is calling unity while promoting other things with it.Such as posting fake articles, focusing primarily on one region and puting all the blame on them as though they are the only problem that we have. You didn't have to post a fake letter made to be written by Igal to get your point across. That letter isn't authentic and you should know that by know, but other articles regarding any relations between Isreal and Somaliland, I have to say time and again, there shouldn't be any relations between a Muslim region recognized or not and Isreal, the enemy of Allah, the enemy of ALL muslim people .This opinion is not only held by me, but I am confidently sure that 100% of the Somali people living in Somaliland are against having any relations with Isreal. Isreal is seen by all Muslims through the same lenses except few of us offcourse, they are seen as the pure enemy and threat to our faith and whatever we stand for. The latest news coming from Beirut, lebenon is just a prove as to why that is. In addition, what was written by so called intellects from Somaliland shouldn't be taken as though their opinions underline the views of the actual population in Somaliland, they absolutely don't. That is the one area that I would like you to focus on little bit more, in trying to differeciate the people from the Politicians. Believe me when I say Riyale Kahin and Abdullahi Yusuf belong in the same league in my view. I think they are both two individuals with dark present and past that speaks for itself. They are not the type of people that I would want to be sided with as you have done by refering me as pro seccesionist, ultimately meaning pro A/raxman Tuur or pro Igal or pro Riyale Kahin for that matter which I am not. Riyale is a criminal and I am not, therefore why should I support his cause? As you might have realized, I am a huge supporter of the Courts. The courts are in Muqdisho and I am from Hargeisa, so what does that tell you on where I stand? I am just waiting for the right leadership in order to consider myself pro unity. As long as people like Yeey are being elected, then I don't see the point of this whole unity thing. If the courts can manage to take care the problems in the South, then I am happy to welcome them to our city Hargeisa. In fact I wouldn't mind having Shiekh Sharif Axmed as our leader in any day over criminal and the corrupt Dahir Riyale Kahin and his fellow corrupt Udub party cabinets. Finally, in order to come across or for your opinions to come across very well you need to adress everyone and combat the comments made by those who are speaking for the interest of clan such as the supporters of A/Lahi Yusuf and others as well. That way, you will be seen as fair minded individual whose is standing up for what is right. If you can accomplish that, then count me on as your fellow fighter. Assalamu calaykum.

Jen. Maxamed Jamac "yare" Ghalib, isn't he the one from Hargiesa tribes? If that is his name up there, I don't know how he got there. Can anyone explains who that guy is?

Salaan sare Soo maal, Saaxib anigu waxaan ka helaa in aan ku ciyaaro Sakhar, wixii intaa dhaafsan oo ah marka laga reebo in yar uu Cabdullahi Yusuf uu yar taageero mooyee sidiisa kale waan Shakhsi aad u fiican oo jeclahay in aan wada hadal aan lagalo. Taasi waa xagayga. Run ahaantii inta taageersan Maxaakiimta oo aad ku jirtid oo aan ku jiro ayaa loogu qaatay. Waana sida loogu qaatay hadii wax la iga waydiiyo. Assalamu Calaykum.

DO the Somali people have the say in this or the outsiders? The people say there shall be no so called peacekeepers that could intervene in our affairs. I think we should listen to that than the U.N.

Originally posted by General Duke: The TFG does not need to create new tensions, what for? There is a federal charter, let the people decide... They need to concentrate on security and building up the armed forces, not to fight anyone who wants to bring viable change. [/QB] I agree with you Mr. Duke, and in this case the courts are bringing a viable change more so than the TFG itself. So they need to clear the way for the courts, so the job can be much easier for the courts to work on their magic.