lol@Murad,and gues what he did get "talo ku filan"loooooool.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: One thing confuses me, are you still a secessionist or are now a shaikh? Can I not be both? or are you saying if you are "seccesionist",then you may not be a Shiekh.Absurd thougtht mr. Naxar.

^not far indeed,but it would seem it's ligh years away to the any force sent its way by the TFG. I know I know,that TFG taking over Xamar isn't possible,but I am just here entertaining the old man,Duke.lol

^if you are being sarcastic,you are not worth anything being mentioned to you. 'thumsucking' isn't insult in where I live,maybe you folks in the west coast are too senitive.But here in Minni,long years of winter have harden our skin,so it's thick if you know what I mean. And no buddy, what you have crippled above isn't much to say, there it is.So try again,,,,

^big important part of that accord was not to bring Ethiopian troops into the country,that was not upheld,then why should they uphold.The ICU went to Kismayo largely because they wanted to prevent any Ethiopian troops from being dumbed from the Sea port,which would have made the ICU's job little harder.That sure was Ethiopia's military plan,but it failed. As far as my language, I apologise if you have taken sucking thumb statement as personal insult,I sure take that back. However,as I said,brother,the structure that I am talking isn't anything but what you have been seeing unless you blinded yourself.It's what has been reported without bias.It's there for you to see all over the net.I don't think,you need my personal guidance to truth. Be glad,cuz, I swear alot . in any of the meetings in Khartuum, the ICU openly said they recongnised the TFG,but all the TFG has done was spoil its chances,and I don't blame them,because they are not runing on their on course,Ethiopian is telling them what to do. If you can recall,one member of the TFG once critisized the TFG,the man who responded to that wasn't even Somali,he was stinking xabashi,and he said to the media,that the somali member of the TFG broke the Somali constiution,even going further to articles and lines.I mean who is he to tell how to run things in my own soil,who is he to tell me of what not to say? anfortunately,the TFG is taking what Ethiopian prescribes to them,and they have no choice,but I am saying support the ICU who are runing on their own agenda by them for the people.They just don't take crap from the Ethios saxbi.

Originally posted by General Duke: quote: Puntland,where they declared holy war lol. Your whole understanding is summarised by that statement. Puntland/Mudug religious leaders declared jihad on the courts. Re-read the article in allpuntland.com, posted on Somaliaonline. It is you who has no proof aside from small insults thrown at a certain clan. I tell ya that the TFG troops are close to Mogadishu, and when given the order will reach there in a couple of days. Yusuf has the support of most Somali people specially the downtrodden majority in the south. Saxib what can i say, you wait and see. Thats all. First of all,I didn't insult any Qabiil,I just don't do that buddy,sorry. I insult warlords and their servants. The wadaads in Mudug are also Puntlanders arent' they? And for the mother of all propanganda, the last thing I want to hear is the TFG soldiers having to aim in taking Xamar--lol. The last time I checked they were on their heels in trying to defend Baydhabo which no one was threat to,but after couple trips they made to near Buurhakabe,they thought,hey wait a minute,we can vengure outside of this pot hole,Baidhabo,our capabilities do extend far beyond this city, let us go to Xamar. So sure, let them go ahead,let them,Oh Lord I can't believe I am saying this,but let them get the orders to take Xamar,and sure why not, let us wait and see,but mean while, I will rip your lies and the lies which you post on here apart. What lies you might ask,well,that Abdullahi Yusuf has the support of those in the South,now that is big fat one right there.

^your statements are above in their entirely for anyone to see, I quoted part of what I thought I needed to address . as far as educating you goes,I certainly don't think you need much education from me,just do what I did,open your eyes to the truth.

Originally posted by Caamir: RedMan, Abdilahi Yusuf accomplished However, Abdillahi is leading proportional goverment of over 250 members whereas the courts, except one, are associated with one clan only and its sub clans. Each court tries its own members, sometimes, if not all the time, leading to a contraversial decision when it comes to members of the minority.[the above article] Abdilaahi Yusuf refrains from violent means of achieving things though he is well armed and has behind the alleged support of Ethiopian troops whereas the courts accuse everyone who is not part of them of working with the devils and should be eradicated in the swiftest possible means. I thought you attended as you claimed that conference by Dr.Cali Khalif Galaydh.Yet you seem to have absuletel,not even the slightest idea of structure of the ICU,so bit of advice to you bro,learn,take a look at the agenda of the ICU, evaluate their work,then reach a conclusion after that.But before you even have done that,isn't it idiotic to just suck a thumb in public forum without knowing much of the ICU as you have here. I mean, how can I address someone who standign by a statment that,there is ONLY one member of the ICU who doesn't belong to the tribe in Xamar and their sub clans. You just don't have any clue bro to say the least,thus you wouldnt' be qualified to judge the ICU since you don't know 'em. furthermore,if we take a look at the situation of the TFG,tell one accomplishment of the TFG since it has been considered the "government" in Somalia.They were there during the drought in Gedo,some of their members were terrorising people in Xamar such as Qanyare,Yalaxow,and in Kismayo such as Hiiraale. Some of them were on vacation to some countries in the middle east,or if you are Mr.Ismail Hurre Buba,you build two story homes in Hargeysa from the money which was given to you to "serve" the people. What normal thinking human being would consider, a body consisting of warlords,not even ex,I am talking active warlords,a government that is functioning.What sane person would say,that these people are working for the interest of the people.If they were,they wouldnt have given the people the called shoulder when clearly the whole country apposed any Ethiopian intervention into the country militarily.If they were,they would have listened to the call of the people. As for Puntland, Oday Abdullahi Yusuf was the one who lead Ethiopians too when he wasn't reelected.Well the only reason they didn't reelected him was because they thought he had no significant meaning to their them,else what else would have made them not elected him again if he was their "savior"? Offcourse, afterwards,he installed himself back to power again,by way of force,which seems to be what he thinks works on all occasions,it doesn't and certainly it's habeen xalay tagay in uu meel fadhiisan oo la odhan Mudane Madaxweyene,it's his dream,but he aint man enough,he aint got the brains and creativitiy to do that,all he knows is how to fire in the hole--booom,well boom doesn't work adeer oday Yey, I say the ICU has all the key elements of leading a nation, give em a chance and step out of the way, so that we may see what they can do also.

^Horn mee ninkii soosocday, ee aad lahayd halkanuu soosocdaa.Warkii waan kadhacee maxaa idhaafay saaxib.Mise waala cunay ninkii isaga ahaa.I did warn him well at least through here,that he chances were very slim of him achieving what he aimed for.Tough luck for Hiiraale, he can limb one footed down to the path, that his prodecosors went down.He simply got his butt handed to 'em, I can only say. whatever would happened happened already, there is no more truth pending,or you mean those who always distort the news are working ways to distort that Barre was simply dealt with Xeel dagaal dib ugaransho dagal tactics.He was crushed,if you hear me well son.

^lol.without much bac bac,and as I said before, barking emptly won't do the trick. He says he has support? from whom,not even Puntland,where they declared holy war.lol. In every non Somali news report you check about Somalia,the TFG is always considered too weak,it's only Puntland media that has him as strong man. So now Duke,you said he is nearly ready? I wonder what he has up on his sleeves this time,nukes perhaps? Caga juglaynta inagadaa saxib,lama taangi oo lasoo siiyey ayaad aragtay miyaa?hadaanan laga qaadin oo isaga loo istimaalin kabtayda wax iigu rid. p.s. the people of LA kept Somaliland out of their city,don't give him too much credit there buddy.If the people wanted Somaliland, he would have denied them?

^thesis and major points? which were exactly? as far as the cartoons go,Amir has the right to depict his thoughts on paper. But things that not cartoonish,which really matter are these. Dismantling the warlords that terrorise the people: The reopening of the Xamar airstrip: the reopening of Dekedii Xamar: and most importanly the right to practice my faith without much fear of anything.!

^a great point. The people, the people,is what is all about.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^lol@ Afghanis' means what? They went to Afghanistan for a trip and became learned war leaders. I never knew westpoint was in Afghanistan. I wont' discuss that with you at the moment,but all I can say is,a single of them "afqanis" you won't find anyone of their caliber in the TFG or the Ethiopian officers which you begged to defend you. The clan courts are led by Indacade a car driver by trade, Cayrow a dugsi teacher. Aways a prison warden, Shiekh Sharif a teacher and Turki a major in Siyads army. The people you speak of are the leaders at the helm except Col.Turki, which you have absuletly no idea of biography, he was a col.in late 60s and not Siyad Barre officer,he was an oppenent of Barre's rule. But if you presented to us Sh.Axmed,Aweys,sh.Maxamed Siyad"indha cadde" as military officers of the ICU,then you have no clue,it's like including oday Abdullahi Yusuf part of the TFG forces. The TFG has a number of officers who have fought in various battles Colonels and Generals who used to command both Turki and Xasan Dahir. The ICU has a numerous highly trained,motivated,miltary officers whom fought in each battle that you speak, merely I think you are speaking of '77 war with Ethiopia. But I think you are forgetting Gen.Galaal, the man of all, whom gave orders to the leader of the TFG col.Abdullahi Yusuf Axmed. But, I am talking about many other officers, whom told to keep their identity very secret,they are Somalis,they linked background military back to a place where non of the folks which you claim to be officers never been to or never will,a place where they earned their nick as "Afqhanis". That is all. Also only A/Yusuf has the unique experince of directly fighting Xasan Dahir, Turki and others and defeating them even when he was much weaker and only a faction leader of half the SSDF. SSDF=Siisoco Sosoco Dumarka uFaan.The SSDF neverhad much power to begin with,but the the kinsmen of the Abdullahi Yusuf who fought along side him are part and parcel of the ICU.They are fighting along side their bretherens from Somaliland, and along side their bretherens from the region itslef.So this ICU is like any other you have seen or of before,it's combination of all forces,a simple say of 'we defeated them before' isn't going to fly well today,you would need some serious overwhelming army,highly motivated,who have will and something to fight for, to even step into the same fighting field with these men who behold such honors. The TFG forces will defact into the ICU before you know it,they will be on the other side onto the rightousness,and then I think the only ones left will be those "highly" ranked military officers you talked about,which will be nothing without troops to command. In diplomact Yusuf will lose, in Politics he is lame in war quite briliant. The clan courts have chosen war and this is the theater which they have chosen to engage him. That shows is all--talk about shooting yourself in darn foot.Doesn't he consider himself a President,in this world if you don't nothing much about politics,it's quite hard to lead a country,mind Bush,because he has system to fall back on, but this man was told to start things from scratch, so how can he, and how would you expect him to,if he knows nothing about playing the political card? This isn't the old days where he was military officer or he was a head of militia,the SSDF,he is expected to do and think more politically,if he isn't doing that,then we have men who are capable of playing both games,he should excuse them and step out of the way,for the sake of all including his.

Originally posted by Caamir: "Anyone who underlines(mines) the success of the ICU, is in serious darkness, what is not serious about that son?" underlines or undermines? Or you mean both? Forget my English,I think you understand what I meant. it's undermining,which was the whole point of the article which you posted. Naxar,so the TFG is working for the interest of the people.Look at you accusing others of being insane, look at the miror buddy, insanity is the reflection which appears as a result of holding the miror infront of yourself.

^saaxib, do you have any evidence to back that up,or are you just making it up, si aad noo qaadsiisid uun.come on,we are smarter than that. As far as brain power(intellects,PhD holders etc) the ICU has the advantage,as for military ,let us just say, there are some who go by the nicks of "Afqhanis" in the ICU force, you would be suprised Duke, if you only knew.But perhaps you dont. As far as of your warning of TFG attack, saxib, it would be wise,if the TFG stopped barking with empty threats,and if they have any guts to attack to do so without much nac nac.Hiiraale did it, the warlords of Xamar did it, they weren't seen again, the TFG has a home in Baidhabo now,just like the worlords had Xamar,like Hiiraale in Kismayo, do I see short history repeating itself--I think so.only when the TFG makes a bad move,then Houston we have problem. Ansar Al Oromi, I agree yaa Akhii fil Islam.

^they had the same exihibition at art/science Museum here in St.Paul,MN.

Originally posted by General Duke: You said: The TFG armed forces were there for a while and left without a fight. okay no fighting, that is good. then you said: The courts came a few hours later. The TFG has lost not a single man or wepon, while the courts lost armour and men everytime the TFG came. Okay, I am still wondering how one can lose a battle physically,mentally, I can understand,without ever engaging in any sort of battle.Because if the TFG left whenver the courts came,then that means neither side confronted the other,and no fight took place.So how? p.s., thanks for the little geographic+ history lesson,much appriciation for real.

^small view point? that is wild. Buddy offcourse I have to be serious, or else we can go over to the joke section,if that is where your topic which you have posted here belongs to.The I would be delighted to laugh with ya. If you don't want me to be serious,then don't post such meaningless and arogant piece of writing in here. Anyone who underlines(mines) the success of the ICU, is in serious darkness, what is not serious about that son?

^He is a Muslim, anthing wrong with that? or do you see this place only serving Somalis? in SOL, I am sure almost everyone appriciates having different thoughts and faces,I know I do.

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: Shiekh Dahir Riyaale in town....lol This is sad. He is oppurtunistic thug, shows you that he has no princuples. That is not the whole idea of the article bro,,,I would also be happy if he repented to Allah of his sins,and become just that,a Shiekh,just as I wish everyone else with dark past to be. It doesn't really if he is oppurtunistic nor if he doesn't have any principles,what matters are the people and their wants.The people want to be govern with the Sharica law,they would be glad if he stepped out of the way and letted more suitable leader to lead. Besides, remember, the region is Muslim region, so no matter how many times one can try to rule the region according to other man made systems,still in the hearts and in the hearts of everyone Islam surfaces almost always.The shariica law is there,the leader isn't suitable to apply it,therefore that is why it's good for us all,if he did the honors and said it before he is gone for good,which he will in '08 Insha Allah.

^Mr.Duke, you may go ahead and accuse me of not knowing anything about the South,but if I can recall correctly, it was just last week or so, when we were talking about the ICU forces retreating from Burhakaba,but today it seems as though they have been to a place beyond from their original point of retreat of Burxakaba,as evedinced by their "retreatment" back to Buurxakaba.Meaning that they have been passed Buurxakabe, so eitherway, they are running things.As for the TFG against what you refered as paper army, well, well, last week you were singing the same tunes and saying the courts retreated and the national army is in control of the place,so I am wondering how many trips will they make to this place,before we finally say--"no cumaamad in sight"? lol. This kinda of tactic displayed by the ICU warriors is called in Somali: XEEL DAGAAL DIB UGARASHO,be ware of dhabarjabin, like it happened to Barre Hiiraale,which wiped them out for good. Can we just admit,the opposing forces of the ICU have been defeated,it's really that simple,and even if let us say,they retreated,then I think it was under their own will,and not as though they have been frieghtened to retreat. No need to speak of war no more,enough beating is enough by the ICU,they can't just keep beating these warlords. if all that preparation by some warlords, took 26 hours to demolish,what else is left to say? iska daaya ha iska dhuush dhuusan warlords ku yeh, ICU waxba kuma samaykaraan ileen waa LA OGAYAHAY, WAANA LA ARKAY.

^if that is the case,and so it happens, I would be the happiest man alive---with the right kinda of leadership offcourse.

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Originally posted by ThePoint: O - I would like everyone to be free - but barring that - I would hope Somali galbeed and others would focus on improving their lives rather than battling constantly. Except in dire circumstances, the former is always better than the latter. Dude why are confusing yourself.How might you be free if you don't fight for it,you must die or work for anything to be accomplished? these people are reluctant to suceed,but they can't reach success if they are oppressed denied their rights to be successful.That is the current regime in Ethiopia's,they must be dealt with,then all good can come after. "the former is ALWAYS better than later". That is just cheap statement which doesn't have much evidence to its existance.If that were the case,what makes Germany and Japan rank #2 and #3 in the world in economic power.If we were to apply that statement to this situation,Hitler and the Japan's emperor would have been better for their respective people right? Ansar Al oromi is right on this,and The Point knows little to really understand the situation.

^how bout you brothers in Oromia handle that job,instead of having us advance beyond our borders, wouldn't it be heck alot easier if you guys could put together some form of massive uprising against these minorities,the Tigray regime in Addis,since you brothers make up big percentage of that country's population? The muslims make up 60% of that country.It would be nice to have Ethiopia as a Muslim govern nation.