^good at least, finally you have understood something.Thank God, finally, something has found it's way onto the other side of your thick skull.

^anaa Jaahil ah miyaa, wallee waa yaab, intaynaan sheekada siiwadin, bal horta kasoo bax 90s era ayaad wali soo socotaaye.Isoo gaadh horta,markaas ayeynu wada hadli karnaa,intii waxaa kahoraysa miyaa, maxaynu kuwada hadli ma inagaa isku ambition ba ah.I have goals for my country, you have none, or else you wouldn't be supporting hopeless warlord like Hiiraale and be talking about Caydiid Sr. in the 2006.Good God, I say, elevate brother, bariisna cuntaye. War cadna mahaysid, oo qosol iyo dabaal ayaad iskaga jirtaa eh. Anigu se wax wanaagsan ayaan larabaa, meesha aad kudhalatay ee ah Garbaharay amaba Kismayo, oo waxaan rabaa in aad hormar gaadhid, laakin aduunka waxaa ugu daran ninka doqon wax isyidhaa wax uqabo.Nabi Muse ayuu ahaa kii is yidhi miskiin caawi, markuu caawiyey, isagii eedeeyey, tii ayaa taagan maanta. Is waydii, Hiiraale muxuu kuu soo waday, oo muxuu usamaynlahaa dadka, iyo meeshu xukumo?

what is the ICU first of all? what is the aim? the ICU is the Islamic Union Courts, founded in Xamar,their aim is to bring and govern the country in accordance with the Islamic Sharica law. Are you saying I appose that? come on now,don't put words into my mouth. What I have said is, which I am amazed isn't good enough for you, is the Sharica law should be applied to all regions,the ICU branch in Xamar and in Kismayo are in tact,Hargeysa,and other areas need the same to be done by folks like Sh.Dirir, Sh.Mustafe Ismail Harun in Hargeysa. If there was a warlord in Hargeysa like Barre Hiirale and Hargeysa was like lawless,then offcourse I would be beggin the ICU to safe me,but since Hargeysa needs leadership change, that is all, then that is what it needs after all.After that is applied, I would love to see the South all under the ICU,Puntland under their own respective shiekhs,then join them together to form Islamic nation.That is my vision,if that is not enough for you,then what is exactly. Have one more thing in mind,the ICU has agenda,it's doesn't simply say, hey let us go over there and take over that place,that is what you seem to think,but sorry brother nothing works like that and certainly it won't work towards Somaliland and Puntland. Col.Turki took over Kismayo, I from Hargeysa will do that as well for my hometown,while having the same agenda as the ICU in xamar,to govern the country in accordance with the Sharica law.Does that make sense? Kii lahaa matihid hada ka hor iskaga bax arimaha Koonfur,dabadeed maxaan kaala hadlaa haduu mindset kaagu sidaas yahay.

^maxaad imalaynaysay,amabe se, waxaad ii haysato wax ma iga galeen ayaa kahoraysa? Cajiib, cirka ha isla marin eh, adigu agtayda waxaad ka tay, miskiin yar oo lunsan,una baahan wax haga oo jidka toosan intuu kutabaha uqabto saarah.Markaa, kaama filanayo in aad kob cagaar leh ka soo dur durayso waligaa, waayo waxaad tahay qof indha la' oo walibana habeen kud cura gudaya, kaba sii darane in uu saxan yey ayuu is moodayaa.Taa ayaan ka warwari lahaa hadaan adiga ahay maanta, yaa miskiin.

Kaalay, miyaad iga xigtaa Xamar,oo miyaad iga xigtaa Jawhar, oo miyaad iga xigtaa Baidhabo, miskiin baad tee, oo miyaad iga xigtaa Kismaayo??? maalinta aan kuugu yimaado gurigaa aah adigu shakhsi Alamagon aad ku jirto markaa iqabso laakin, wixii ka horeeya intaa, ima odhan kartid waxba kaama galin dadkayga,dalkayga, iyo dantaydaba.Waa dadkaygii dadku, dalkuna waa dalkaygii, adoo kalena waxba kama dhagaysto, markaa wax inaad ii sheegtaa kuuma haboona ba, ee ii banee laydha yaa caruus adoo raali ah aan kaa danaystee.

^lol, wallee, waad sunasan tay yarow.Hadii jawaabtaydu aanay kugu filnayn, dee wax kale oo kugu filan magaranayo runtii.

^the answer is already given, I don't know what else you are looking for.Read my other threads which I have talked about this same issue,I have stressed the need for cooperation between Somaliland wadaads and Southern Wadaads in rather skillful way,but I won't answer a question phrase like this,because there will be no take over in rather the fashion you have put forth.There are no ifs my friend,it just won't happen.However what will happen is that there will be homegrown wadaads just like Turki in Kismayo, and Shariif Axmed in Xamar,they will handle the job, the ICU from Kismayo or Xamar won't need to come, we will do it ourselves,then we will cooperate with our brothes from the South--is that good enough for you mr. qodqode?

^waar miyaad waalan tahay.Sowtaan ka jawaabay waxan aad lakabash kabash leedahay.Dib ugu fiirso waxaan kusoo qoray.

^I was refering to Horn' comments--and yes most definately,the warlords such as Qaybdiid,the Baidhabo gang as well as the Ethiopians are the evil doers.

^I certainly wouldn't have wished that Riyale was back in his seat.lol

^lol.I did,I don't what else you want me to say.If you want me to think like you,then sorry I won't. I have already answered that question, so now clear space for Sulayman,this golaha is for him and I at the moment.

Nac nac nac,mac macaaaaaaac. Alla maxaa bahal bahlihii hore kasoo hadhay meesha ordaysa, waar umada kafadhiisan, fadh fadh halayninee.

^so Yaa Akhi Sulayman, what are saying now,let Barre Hiiraale come back to Power in Kismayo, or what? Are you also hinting,the ICU is doing bad job in handling the situation in Southern Somalia? few questions to consider,since you seem to be defending one man's interest in this particular thread,while on the other hand we are defending the greater interest of us all.And as I said,if Barre Hiirale wants to come back,he must not have a militia outside for his own interest,no one will harm his tribe,and certainly no one will do injustice,so he must join this great cause of the ICU and be a member,then all negativivity that might have been said about him will be put to aside. So what do you say about that Akhi Sulayman?(great nick by the way).

Naxar and Caamir, Doesnt' it go down well into your little minds,that these people you are claiming to being the governant body of the Somalis,doesn't really stand a thing in our view? Before,we even go any further,since you are considering the ICU as illegetimate(fake wadaads),I would like you to come up with one positive note that the TFG has done in its 2 year + of being considered a "government"? As Naxar utter so many times,I have to say offcourse, governments do make mistakes,but can the TFG even be considered a government? I am not sure I even agree with you with the legitamacy of the TFG,it's bunch of undiscipline warlords with few educated ones, which it consists,evidently it shows of it being non functioning to this point,having no commanality with the people.To this day, they are still trying to figure out ways to put to practice on something they have agreed on,if there is any hardly they did agree on. On the other hand,the ICU has done quite the opposite,they have moved swifly,doing what many thought was impossible in bringing down the warlords in Xamar,Jawhar,beledweyne,and most recent Kismayo.Some of you blind individuals may seem they are doing things by the barrel of the gun,but in reality, it's more their good work that is wining their support from one corner to another of the Somali peninsula.If you can't seem to grasp and your eyes can't seem to focus on that,then I don't really know what else I would have to say that is bigger in order for me to tell you anymore.You folks chose to hijack your gut feelings,it will only take yourselves to get it on the right track,what I say here,probably will bounce off of you,since you are in denial mode,hence denied the arguably the greatest movement we have seen in long long time,the ICU,and you have considered it as non existant. Mansa Munsa, I am glad you can see the success of the ICU,at least you are on the right track on that.However,just as others, you have also mislead your believes my friend.One shoudl expect the ICU to consist more members than any other,based on from the region it started than of those who came from other regions,thus that is explanation I can give you,which makes alot of sense if you choose to understand.The ICU does consist more of one tribe due the geographical location the movement started,however,many many members have came from all over,including intelects of highest caliber,politicians,fighters, and more, who have allone goal,while puting their Qabiil difference to a side. As the movements gets larger in number,because right now,it's taking place only in the South,when the influence comes to Somaliland and Puntland,there will be more from those regions,and from other regions as well.So patience is the key at the moment. It's you folks who keep saying the ICU's structure is based on Qabiil,but in reality and within the ICU,qabiil is nothing but a filthy 500pound monkey which was gotten rid of.It's unfortunate though,that you can't find another way to crtise the goodwill of the ICU,other than to say,o they consist of qabiil hebel,who are trying to dominate others.That is very backward thinking if you ask me and thus isn't of what one should keep saying after all the ICU has done. Af far as the ICU goes and their policy towards other regions who already maintain some form of government iyo kaladanbayn such as Somaliland and Puntland. As I believe,ICU force will not go over to Puntland or Somaliland by way of force,however,what will happen is in my view,the rightous and wadaads of those respective regions will take things into account themselves,and thereafter,they will sit down with their brethrens from the South who have started the revolution and agree upon on the building of a Islamic nation in the Horn of Africa. However,there will not be as some of you falsefully pictured,any sort of forceful take over of Somaliland or Puntland. That is fear,which was created by the warlords and criminals in control of each region to scare off civilians in those areas. I believe,Riyale has to go just as I believe that Abdullahi Yusuf has to be dealt with in the matter he chooses. p.s.Caamir, I will stand under the righous flag, whatever color it might be,a peice of cloth is nothing in my view,what it stands for,is what matters,and with that I will stand below it and defend,and I firmly believe,the Truth will previal Insha Allah. Amin.

when people speak their mind,they are simply overeacting eh? They are reacting to the actions of the evil doers.

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: Resdea...I just stated what he and his clan militia to the poor people of Marka. If he repents, that's between him and His creator, but history should reflects atrocities that were committed by his criminal enterprise. History? the whole darn history of this place you call home is dark.If you keep looking back, you won't find one good area to openly be thankful for.But what I am saying exactly is that,the folks in Marka have no complaints today,unless you and the people who call Abdullahi Yusuf as their savior make something out of it. If you do agree whatever the ICU is doing is good,then note that he is part and parcel of the ICU my friend,therefore he is taking a huge role in the success of the ICU.there are not buts and if,nor are there members who have done little and some who have done more,since turnout is all good news for the ICU,then he is a part of that good news. So, my advice is,don't fall for the propaganda and empty durbaan tumis put forth in here, Shiekh Maxamed Siyad "indha Cadde" waa rageedii. Ilaahay ha daayo.chew on that for those of you believing otherwise.

^are you comparing that with Kismayo? if you are,don't forget, Col.Turki kama xigtid Kismayo. To answer your question,I will do that job for the ICU,since I am officially a member of the ICU,I will take care of my hometown,I think Col.Turki did the same thing,,,and please don't give that Col.Turki doesn't belong in Kismayo.

^what threats did I make? you are paranoid miskiinow, so relax.Shaydaanba durbaanka ku tumaya ee bal, bisinka qabso, baf baftana is baabii. As for Puntland's success,well Masha Allah,nothing can be said about that.However,One believing man would be much better suitable in leading that area than Dhuxul Muse, wouldn't you say? Rubish? is what you have just said about the Islamic Union Courts, so while I keep mind, I respectably ask you to keep yours as well.

^Duke, Indhacade is a member of the courts, as Gen.Morgan is a member,as Gen.Maxamed Ghalib"Jamac Yare" is a member.All of them have something in common,they servents of Allah,and Allah can forgive any past wrong doings they might have had. All of these men, are here today to contribute to the nation building of their country from the South on.I can't seem to understand the love you have for sheikh Maxamed Siyad"indhacadde". The actions of the today is what seprates one from the other,because while the TFG such as Abdullahi Yusuf seem to still going down the road that made them famous,the people like Gen.Jamac Yare,Gen.Morgan, are finding new ways to find whta they have been missing all along,and they have found that in the ICU which they are honorable members of. I know what Gen.Morgan did during the '88 years in my hometown,Hargeysa,I know what Gen.Jamac Yare did in 1995 civil wars in Somaliland in which he was the one who caused it all.However, I know one thing,that Allah is oft forgiven of ALL his servants,and thus they are in the process and on the right path to recieving that honor from their Lord. But I don't expect for arogant and superficial thinkers to understand the merits of the ICU,so why should I bother to say more. Che,who are you to judge of people,how do you know that during the long months of Ramadan that Shiekh Maxamed Siyad "indha cadde" has been repenting to his lord of anything that he has been acused of,how do you know? well offcourse you dont'then please don't refer him as criminal for God sakes,because if he aint,then gues what my friend,you will be asked what you have uttered against a Mu'min like Shiekh Maxamed Siyad "indha Cadde".

^Horn,as I can see, you and the folks are still stuck in the civil war era,we are discussing about the present .How long do you expect Kismayo to be under some man like Hiirale.The ICU have made it clear,that they are willing to except anyone with political,military background,who would put the past to rest and serve the people today with their personal gifts or skills. Gen.Morgan was a warlord,today, he is in Xamar,sitting day and night under the nitch of light candle,reading the Quran,and as I being told,he is nearly finished with Riyaadu Salixiin.After he finds himself,he will join the ICU in the battlefield defending his country,this time doing the rightous deed. It would be nice,if Barre Hiirale puts the past behind and joins the ICU,since he has what it takes to fight,a military colonel that he is.It would be nice and the best of him,if he repented to his Lord of his past doings,which you may not know,sits down,puts his gun away for a while,study his faith and read the Quran.Then later on,after that joins the ICU on the battle field as a new man.If that happens,I will be among the first ones to say the Mujaahid,the Mu'min,Shiekh Barre ibn Hiiraale ibn Shire(Xafida Hulaah). The question is will that happen,or will he keep doing this dirty work that has no end nor benefits him or the young men which he drags along with him to fight unjust battles. I assume, it's really hard for you to grasp the reality on the ground,since you seem to be getting kick out of this whole thing,I advice you to spare your comments and put to end with you publicizing your lack of vision for the future.We are not in the 90s no more,Nor is it time to discuss what Aideed did or how things went back then,today is the day to make history if you are up to,I don't seem to detect in you or others,and as such I expect nothing to happen while people like your kind are in the mix, my friend. If you think Kismayo will automatically change over night,be aware that nothing changes overnight,it needs some things to take place,starting with the day the ICU moved into Kismayo and from hereon. As individual, I like changes,because I know changes make things happen,but it's really hard for me to understand someone who is living abroad and how that one person seems to lack absulately the slightest plan or vision of how things should move from here,since he would be expected to be the one to have those thoughts, other than Aidiid did this,Barre defended him.Those are the things discussed back in Africa, you are here,what is your plan?Is it Aideed's time now,the answer is no,well, then cut the nonsense,and focus on the present brother.

salamu calaykum Dear Sulayman, Well big ups to Col.Barre if he did indeed brought justice to Kismayo however,you must always keep in mind that one man's hero/savior, is another's warlord.If that is your point of view and the point of view of your likes,then you must remember,that certain sub clans in the Kismayo area were not too happy with Col.Barre being in control of the city,while others were. He and Morgan were the ones creating unpleasant atmosphere to begin with,after he won that battle,well offcourse he had to settle in,which may seemed that he was a man of peace,but in reality,he was there for his own and sub clan's interest.There is nothing wrong with treating yourself clan with atmost treatment,however, you must always be just to others who are in the residence of the city of Kismayo,and based on what I saw after the courts take over,was that his supporters were very upset that the man who had given them alone so much was gone,but on the other hand,the other sub clans welcomed the courts with open hands,knowing "warlord" Hiiraale was long gone. So depending on where you look at it,he is just that.He might be your hero if you let say belong to his tribe,and he might be a foe if you are not. But justice wasn't in that,justice is in the ICU control of the Kismayo,they will serve all inhabitants in accordance to the Islamic sharica not whether or not one belongs to their closest kin or not.Regardless of what he was,it wasn't his ambition to build the roads of Kismayo,it wasn't his vision to build the airport of Kismayo,nor clean the bad acts and the crimes off the streets of Kismayo,however, he had one thing in mind,to have the biggest gun in the block as well as be the man of the beesha.That is no way to move forward,to some it may seem just like that,but in reality, it isn't. The solution, bring the ICU in,let them do the job for the people, without catograsing the people into different sub clans,they will do build the airstrip,pave the roads,schools,rid drugs off the streets,decrease crimes signifantly which in otherwise was always ticking bomb waiting to explode. In addition, I can understand you might think he is been treated unfairly,but being neutral doesn't make any sense,and certainly it doesn't make any sense to say that Barre Hiirale shouldn't have left Kismayo in a way of force,I think it was the right move,timely too,because the Ethiopians were planing on using the Kismayo port to harm other Somalis,thus Hiirale showed no sign of apposing such move if it ever happened,hence he is a minister of the corrupt TFG after all. All in all, the man wasn't as credible as you may make him seem,nor is it against the faith, our faith to critise a man like he.It doesn't matter how many Surats you may quote to make it seem as though its' immoral to say anything about him,but it doesn't apply to this situation whatsoever,he deserved of whatever happened to him,thus it wouldn't have happened to him in the first place,Allah isn't injust for your reminder,so Allah did justice,by causing Barre Hiirale to be gotten rid off by the ICU. Thanks Assalamau calaykum.

Originally posted by General Duke: Tell that to the clan courts. So that is why you are so freightened.My friend mark my word,the ICU has no interest in coming to Gorowe,however,if any changes are to happen,it will be made by the residents of Puntland themselves.

^at least I don't think,taking over Gorowe is necesasity.

^your son? ooh please awoow ilka yare, waxanoo sheeko xariira miyaad naga daysid.Wa halkii gabaygiyeh, Haw Haw dhabmaahee, Heesta miyaad naga daysid duke. So how bout, men who kick the tale of those you mentioned in real physical battle.Yep, don't forget that. Once you throw out there totally irrevalant things to make your case,but it doesn't seem it's working for you at all awoow,and for your information,the people which you took as an example have already been dealt with,Suudi,Qanyare, are all history saxib.R.I.P-- they were part of the TFG.

^I even think that was way over the top,but you know how awoowgeen Alleh Ubaahnee uu yahay.Soo iska jir seefta, yaanan arkin kurkii Duke oo i hor duulayee.lol