^as we cannot verify those who are against the ICU,we cannot verify those who are in support of the ICU,however,their supporters are larger than those who appose them. Yes,their intitial moves were first bringing their closest kins to follow and obey the law,which was presented to them.The Xamar warlords who belong into the same clan as Sh.col.Dahir Aways,Sh.Shariif Axmed,refused and wanted to keep going down the path which was to terrorise the people,well I don't think I need to tell you where they ended up.So if these courts had any respect for Qabiil,they wouldn't have gotten rid of their warlords,in which they did. Sheekh Shariif Axmed is trying to have everyone who is interested in rebuilding his/her nation into the mix.After all,this is YOUR country and not just his,so I don't get this recruitment thing you speak of bro/sis. However, let us reality check the TFG and what it stands for,I am sure,you wouldn't have question mark on your head,because as soon as you scratch the surface you will be hit with many problems that can't be fixed unless changed completly.....and that that is where the ICU comes into considerations as teh better alternative.

^that is according to you.I don't care who has the biggest influence within the ICU on anything,but who is the official leader of the ICU,tell me it's not Shariif Sh.Axmed. But time again,is seems as though the only way, you are trying to prove to the audience that the ICU isn't any good is because of their Qabiil.Can one tell me what is wrong with having members of the same clan on top? especially since the ICU is still in the works and moreover is still serving in the same region,the South? The Shura doesn't define who the leader is,the Shura is kinda a like a congress,where laws and strategic planing go into place,hence its name Shura.The Shura is sharing and discussing the cause defination wise.Wa Amruhum Shuura Baynahum as the verse in the Quranic verse in Suratu Shuuraa states.

^Madaafiic,so what? bring it on,why dont' they try it in real life combat? I can assure you,the weak TFG forces and their Ethiopian counterparts will have their butt handed to 'em.Mark my word.

Originally posted by Reality Check: 1. The leadership consists of one major clan 2. The majority of the courts and its members are of that clan 3. They have allies from other qabiils (how big are their numbers?) 1.The leader of the ICU is honarable Sheekh Shariif Axmed, a well respect man even from those on the side of the aisle will tell you that.Therefore,it doesn't matter what qabiil he is in,what should be questioned here is what kinda a character does he have? ask even his oppenent,they won't be able to critise him for one thing he did,other than offcourse lame and tired argument,saying he belongs to Qabiil X. 2.as I have said,due it's geographical location of where the movement evolved,it's therefore understandible that it's dominated by one qabiil.Also do keep in mind that they have only existed few months and not even a year or so,therefore the members are growing from here and on. 3.They do have allies from other Qabiils,besides those in Somaliland and Puntland,which they secretly have allies from,however if we look at the South,the center court at the moment,you have Sheikh Maansoor,who has more than 50 "technical" manned by his kinsmen from Bay and Bakool regions,you have Sh.Col.Xasan Turki who hails from Kismayo,whose men numbered about 2,000 well trained and equiped men,he and and his men are not from Xamar.He was the one who took over Kismay,his city,and he is the on in charge today,not to mention he isn't the qabiils from Xamar. Here are 3 more questions: 1. How large is the supporters of the other clans? It's growing support,so it's not yet a number that is still,but it's growing larger and larger as time goes by. 2. The towns that are taken over by the USC/UCI, what are the makeup of the qabiils living there? Xamar,Beledweyne,and Jawhar to mention few are inhabited by the same tribes,therefore,each sub clan that belongs to the greater clan Xamar is sent to bring their city to law and order. In Kismayo,and other region outside of the clan terrirotries of the members from Xamar is taken over by members of the clan living in those respective regions,Kismayo is taken over by Sh.col.Turki who is from there clanwise. 3. How many of the under-represented qabiils have major leadership roles? It was just couple weeks ago,when Shiekh Sh.Axmed met with members of the Gabooye tribes living in Xamar who were complaining of them bein oppresses as they have in every region,so he initiated a motion that would make sure that they don't face harm nor will they be subject to abuse under his watch and one thing he asked from them was to be united against the evil doers trying to distablise their country which they worked so hard of bringing law and order into.He asked to take part in this great movement just like their brtherens,because after all this is their land. thanks,

Mr.Duke,why are you so obsesed with their Qabiil? Cant you seem to grasp the goodoings of this noble men rather than dismissed them because they belong more into one tribe? Check out their social legacy: they have done more than these,but just few things that they have done thus far in their few months of existance: On July 15 2006, the Islamic Courts opened the historical Mogadishu airport which had been shut down by warlords for 11 years. Mogadishu international airport had been closed since the withdrawal of the international forces in 1995 when rival faction leaders disagreed to offer the public service. In the final years, it was occupied by local thugs.The first airplane chartered by the Arab League flew from the airport for the first time in 11 years picking up Islamic Courts delegates to Sudanese capital Khartoum.[11] On August 15 2006, the UIC liberated Haradhere, some 500km northeast of Mogadishu, which had become a safe haven for pirates. Sheikh Ahmed said UIC forces went to Haradhere to deal with pirates who had made the Somali coast a no-go area. "The activities of these people [pirates] had made life very difficult for ordinary Somalis," he said. "Ships were refusing to deliver food to Somalia for fear of being hijacked. We were asked to do something about it and we did." The liberation of Haradhere has dealt a blow to pirates and given a boost to business and security in Somalia. This ended a long period of fear for International maritime communications as shipping firms and international organisations had been forced to pay large ransoms for the release of vessels and crews.[12] On August 23 2006, the Islamic courts issued a directive banning the sale of charcoal, rare birds and rare animals. The Executive Committee of the Islamic Courts issued the directive after a full committee meeting agreed to the ban, Sheikh Abdulkadir Ali Omar, the UIC Vice-Chairman, said. "The decision was reached after the committee was briefed on the dangers posed by the indiscriminate cutting of our trees," he said. Almost all the charcoal goes to the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia, where a bag fetches about US $15. Local bandits and thugs were cutting down trees and burning them into charcoal. It was causing major destruction of the ecosystem, soil erosion and water scarcity. [12] On August 25 2006, the Islamic Courts opened historical Mogadishu seaport. Shut down by warlords for the past 10 years, Mogadishu's port used to be one of the busiest in East Africa, before the conflict led to its closure. On that day, hundreds of people went to the port to see the ship, which arrived from Kenya carrying goods such as TVs and coffee.[13] The port opened in circa 900 AD and described by Ibn Batuta's fourth trip (1328) as the busiest and richest port of the east African coast. On September 21 2006, the Islamic Courts issued a decree forbidding the sale of khat (a narcotic drug) in the daylight during the holy month of Ramadan. Mostly consumed in Somalia and imported from mainly Kenya, it is widely seen as destructive for families, loss of income, waste of productivity and the primary cause of banditry and drug addiction. On October 2, from Kismayo, the Islamic Courts burnt in public seven bags of Khat imported from Kenya which caused anger among Khat traders who instigated riots to express their dissatisfaction. [14] On October 5, 2006 the Islamic Courts declared the formation of the supreme Islamic Sharia court of Banadir province. The announcement ceremony attended by all Islamic officials; both consultative and executive councils, intellectuals and civil society members took place in former villa Somalia presidential palace in central Mogadishu. The latest announcement of the central Islamic Court ends all tribal Islamic Courts in the capital. [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Courts_Union

Originally posted by Reality Check: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the ICU/CSI a concentration of one qabiil---many subclans of that qabiil? Mr.Reality, you are not wrong,but you just need to be inputed what is correct. YOu are right on the track,by asking when you are not sure of it completely, because you would be so suprise how many people here seem to critise the ICU without knowing the first thing about them.So since you asked respectabl,we will tell you what we know of the ICU,from that point on,it's your call of whether you think they are good for us or dont fit. You see,since this movement,named the ICU has started in Muqdisho which is resided today by more of one clan and its sub clans than any other,thefore you should expect the members to be more of one clan.However,as the ICU's influence and goodwill is extended to other regions as well,then tribes different from the tribes in Xamar have joined the movement.They didn't ask them you folks are one qabiil and this is qabiil agenda,however,they looked into what exactly the movement stands for,and thus have done their share part of the job, after all this is their country isn't it? There are those from Kismayo,there are those from right here by hometown Hargeysa,there are those from Bay and Bakool regions,there are those from Puntland,and as this goes on more and more are joining the ICU,because they know that, the ICU is giving a peace to take place and chance for justice to be served. Whether the ICU consists more of one clan than all others is largely due to the geographical location of where this taking place,however,one shouldn't put too much time looking into their qabiil,however look what they stand for,which is peace and justice in accordance with the Islamic Sharica for all. I hope that helps Reality--and thanks for asking. Duke, can you also tell us who holds the other posts which you have left out, if you don't mind me asking. Assalamu calaykum.

^lol.Caamir iyo Mansa Munsa,this is utterly embrassing for you two.I had the same feeling as well,however,I kept my strike mode within myself.But you two Goodness sakes came out protesting in public.Do what I did,well I looked at everyone else,then I have discovered that everyone was dealing with the same thing,so I kept my mouth shut,well for a while. This is not limited to you two, just look where I was and where I am today,I was nearing 1000 post mark,now I am back to 600+. It happens though,I just hope everything comes to where they were before.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^The point is if the Oromo fighters are fighting to creae a secular state why all the talk about Jihad and Islamic warriors. The OLF are not all Muslim, the Eritreans are definetly not Muslim. The argument of the clan courts is bull. I don't know what argument you are talking about exactly,however,the only Oromos that would fight along side the ICU would be the Muslim ones,as far as Eritrea goes,well,they are there,because their arch enemy,Ethiopia is in the fold,therfore why should they sit on the side lines while their foes are in the field playing the game.It makes every bit of sense as to why Eritrea should be involved in it,mainly because Ethiopia is.The question of whether they are muslim or not is irrevelant,Eritrea is serving its own interests,but their interest isn't to distabalize any possible peace in the region as Ethiopia is doing,but rather to counter anything that Ethiopia might try to do which would effect them as well. But as mentioned by other nomads, a great majority of Oromos are muslims,therefore,if there are any Oromos within the ICU,then they are our Muslim bretherns helping their bretherns in Somalia to counter the threat coming from the real Tigray Regime in Addis. As for all Oromos not being Muslims,well I dont' where you have been hiding buddy,because that is something known to most of us,if you have just discovered that,then you are behind and need to update your info.

Not All Oromos are Muslims? what is so suprising about that? offcourse they aren't,the majority arent'. In addition, remember,not all Somalis are Muslims either,they use to be about 98% Muslims,but the percentage has lowered since they came to abroad.

This is kinda like blast from the past.I have already gotten past this dimmension.I was nearing 1000 posts,had different look.But everything is back to way back when,few months back that is.

congradualations Passion. May I know what you graduated into?

^yeah,I thought I was alone to be honest.I was gonna scream at the admin.

Well, I feel okay now.I thought I was alone,but having the state of mind that everything will be fixed,I will be fine,,take your time Admin.

^so what exactly is your point? I understand things in bold, so list all your wishes for me buddy and leave the verses of the Quran and Hadith which you are using to advace your hidden agenda out of it. If the ICU praises col.Hiiraale,then why are they fighting amongst each other? can you answer that for me respectably? Thanks Akhi.

^----and where is this taking place, in Xamar and its area,inhabited by the tribes you mnetioned. In Kismayo, who is control? Col.Turk, what tribe does he belong into? the ones who inhabit there as well. Qanyare,Muse,are all gone,I dont' know the significant of bringing them up.If the courts had any mercy or their aim was to maintain power just for their clan,they wouldn't have kicked Muse,Qanyare,Qaybdiid out. Besides,you making me seem as though I have special hatred or amnosity towards my neighbors to the East.Offcourse,I know them more,because they are my neighbors,who wouldn't know their neighbor more than the other family on further end of the block? come on,, common sense. Well,as far as my qabiil lineage,I have more closer ties to the tribes you putting me against,whom I have numerous inaabtiyo as well as my granmother from my father's side belongs to them clanwise. You will be suprised if I told you my inaabtiyo's father is just 2nd causin of Abdullahi Yusuf. So calm down,and stop making me the subject of your Qabiil propaganda.

^I will Insha Allah.the ride is bumpy here in the South,I am paving the roads in Hargeysa,so it will go smoothly--shame you couldn't do that in Kismayo and others had to do for you.

^yaah, just keep swimming babe.

lol^good job, you are comedian,I have to give you that.But remember, camadians, fire on all directions regardless of whether it's true or not.The same goes to your ill advice comments.So iska soo tuur tuur,meelna kolay magaadhayaan eh. Teeda kale, aniga Mr.Red baa layidhaahdaa, Jayna waa Jay,markaa I always fly solo.

^lol, what do we have here? Cuno oo caba, Cudur iyooo caafidaro weeyee, cuno oo caba. *jagam jagam* (geedi chewing khat)

Originally posted by HornAfrique: Md. Barre Aaden Shire ( Hiire) iyo ciidamadiisa oo si lama filaan ah maanta galinkii danbe iskaga soo baxay degmada Saakow oo ay ku sugnaayeen labaddii maalmood ee u danbeeyey, ka dib markii ay dagaalo khasaare badan gaystay kula galeen agagaarka Bu'aale ciidamada Maxkamada Muqdisho. There you have it, now can we agree upon that he did get his butt kicked? p.s. Alamagon, here I am again,proove that I won't stay away from the Southern political theatre,hence Xiin is in it too, he is from my area I believe.

^Jim, you are confused as well, ee u kaadi ha kusoo dhex dhecin meesha. In my view, you folks and I are thinking differently.Your thoughts are very superficial,while mind derived from the realities on the ground.A little vacation back home would be very suitable to you two.then that is just me,so you are welcome for taking my suggestion. lol

^If all you are asking is, the insults directed towards Col.Hiirale to stop, will do,however,he must comply with the ICU,that is beneficial to him or you don't think so also? But tell me, how would you evaluate the job done by the ICU thus far? including everything that has taken place? Besides, I am bit confused of what is Xaram of taking over in Kismayo.If the purpose of your thread is to try to put to end the insults toward Hiiraale,then what is side point you are trying to sneak in that Kismayo shouldn't be in safe hands as it's today? or you dont believe that as well.

^lol.or else?

^lol, very funny.Adeer,I will welcome him as Abu Xamsa not as the Morgan. How do you like that one right there yaa magan?

Retired? lol. He is studying the Quran now and the Diin, more like reprogramed, he will come out with whole new name like Abu Xamsa,before you know it, he will visit his hometown, former hometown that is.