Originally posted by me: ^Don't bother with it, Badacase maanta nooguma horayso. He will dodge he will duck, he will stay of SOL for two days anything but answer the questions straight up, because he knows that he can not hold his ground. He will rather write two pages full and beat around the bush then to answer those simple questions and that shows you what kind of a man he is. Allot of folks appease these secessionist mafia, but the more you appease them the more they think they are right and the bolder they get, the best way to deal with these folks is to go into confrontation with them. Their case is flimsy. The secessionist mafia´s leadership is just as weak as its representation here on SOL. Their two big guns, Oodweynes hot air and badacases dodging and ducking of any question asked. Listen folks we are in this boat together, so lets row together. How many threads do we have opened? you have stayed silent in other threads which is open discussion between you and I, therefore should I assume you are silent, I am smart enough to know that people might not see what their being asked. Che, 1. I am against any force being used against anyone. Parts of Sool and Sanaag that want union may do as they wish, those who want to go with the Somaliland case may also do so. 2. Yes, I do support somaliland's case and I do think as I said above that no one can be forced against their will. No one can be fooled by the empty flag wavers like mr. me who claims to be somali nationalist while cheering on for likes of Afweyne, I simply don't buy that. I hope that answered your question. As for mr. me. I want you to take a look at the mirror for once and answer my question as well. 1. have you supported Siyad Barre' regime and their actions in Somaliland? if so.... 2. Why do you advocate for somali unity, since you support the biggest lunatic who divided the people and caused great deal of pian for many? so much for somalinimo, waxba yaan qiiqa la isku qarin meesha.

Che, 1. If the people of Sool and Sanaag choose to remain with the rest of Somalia, then I don't support forceful annexation period. 2. Yes it's justfied to break away from the rest of Somalia, because of one good reason, the people from Awdal all the way to Ceerigabo, Sanaag and Oog, Sool do want to seceed, therefore their wishes have to be respected. Do we lose anything out of that, offcourse not, does that cost us our Aakhirah offcourse not, is it a sin to seced offcourse not, therefore if the people in the areas I mentioned believe its the best of their survival and interest to have their OWN self governance, then I don't see why anyone should feel the need to try or wish to force them back into union. 3. The third question lies under the same category as the previous one. So no I don't support any force to be used against ANYONE, Sool and Sanaag can go with their own desires, that is a human right. However, mostly they are anti Somaliland not only because of seccesion but because of Qabiil, therefore, we should note that areas in Sool and Sanaag are resided by clans related to Hargeysa. Next question. Khalaf, Okay saaxib I understand. Mr. said the whole population in Hargeysa and Burco combined was 75,000? Walalo that is the biggest human error that one can make. So NO he doesn't have the slightest idea of wht he is talking about. Hargeysa was the second laregest in Somalia only behind Muqdisho and Burco was probably the third or fourth largest only behind Kismayo and perhaps Marka, then Berbera comes along as well for being the top five as well. So the issue I have mr. me is that he is arguing for one without knowing the population of those cities, so it's easier for him TO ASSUME that only 5,000 perished.

Aaliyah okay sure there is ongoing war in the North. Take it as you wish. Caano Geel, I still don't get your point, but hey okay as well, whatever pleases everyone I gues. Somaliland ha noolaato ayaan wajiga idinka galinayaa kawarama? lol

lol@ cara. I wonder what kinda of gun he used that pepper all those peeps at once. This is said to be the single bloodiest shooting spree in U.S history. Yikes!

Khalaf, Dear boy listen very carefully here. I will bash whom I desire as long as they are not members in this site, it alloweable. That being said, you shouldn't insert yourself in my way buddy. You sound like you were some kinda of benchwarmer for the man. You have been crying for him since he was banned. Jaylaani was great friend of mind, yet you don't see me crying for him, even knowing that Jaylaani never uttered the same things that Xalane continously posted here. So, adeer out of my sight dee yakhii. You don't want me to take an issue with you I hope?

Jacaylbaro, saaxib read my post. I said exactly just that, that any media has the right to crtize any politician. Maybe you guys forget that I don't stick up for Politicians, I really dislike them, starting with Riyale Kahin. Unlike some others hear, I don't hang portraits of my adeero up on my walls righ beside my windown.

Jacaylbaro SNM does exist, because remember I am still here. Duke thinks I am Mujaahid SNM? lool Timacaddeh got banned? honestly?

Originally posted by Maakhir: Adde was indeed planning for a trip. He never handled any thing. The credit is for the elders and the victory bearers of Dhahar who made it possible the peaceful withdrawal of SL militia. GD doesnt' agree it was peaceful withdrawal but would rather believe that Puntland forces and not the Dhahar people made Somaliland 'flee'. After being crushed wiht causalty of only 2 men, the SL army withdrew. Does that say anything about being crushed. Anyhow, the man lost his job, because he refused the orders from Riyale Kahin to withdraw. He wanted to keep going.

Good news for us, more business oppurtunities for our area. Now, can they do something with the money they get back selling the livestock?

Excellent! where to go Culimo Awdiin. Now will they listen?

Originally posted by me: Well Badacase, how long will you ignore the question..... Listen dude this aint some kinda of instant messeging, how quick do you expect a reply. Besides, I had more important things to get out of the way first. Now it's on to you sir. First of all, be clear on what your is question exactly. You speak of independent anaylitical research, well we need more of what you are implying here. like How, where? etc... Secondly, I know you are being admired by brother Khalaf, because apparantly according to him you are very truthful and you argue with the facts. Now that being said, I feel the need to get few things out of the way before we can carry on this saga. Do you want to discuss how many people have died in those wars? 2. Do you want to discuss who started the war or whose fault it was etc..? You choose, I will be glad to give you an ear full. Moreover, it's expected from one who claims to be from an area which he knows little of, the case with you to utter something that would make some people wonder, 'is this guy serius"?!. You time and again have failed to get the slightest things right, like the estimation of Hargeysa population. You even today believe that Hargeysa pop.=200,000! -you said that figure of whose who died in those war was close to 5,000 (Allah ha unaxariisto). Okay sure enough, now what was the population in that area, I am speaking of Hargeysa, Berbera, Burco etc..? I think I heard you say that Hargeysa+Burco' pop.= around 50,000. I have to say that is , I could be wrong though of that accusation. In addition, to take the recent Muqdisho bombing campaign as good example which 1,000 were reported to have perished in just few days of Ethiopian shelling. Sure, Xamar is alot bigger than Hargeysa was back then, but still the Ethiopian invaders were shelling one or two civilian populated neighborhood, yet a 1000 poeple had perished. What does that tell you about Hargeysa, which was left completely destroyed, the same to Burco, and Berbera even experience mass killings not to mention other areas like Gabiley. These kinda of killing continued for few years, and you simply came up with the conclusion that only 5,000 people died. You are labeling others of lying, you request proofs, deny them when they are provided. You make claims yet you don't have proofs for them and worst of all, you pass those claims of yours as though they are nothing but the truth. Now dear 'hometown boy' let me ask you few question from the above writing. 1. What was the Hargeysa/ Burco population in 1988? 2. Wht is the Hargeysa population today? If you are wondering what these two questions have to do with each other. I would say they do have something to do with each other, that is to show to you that you simply argue without having much of background info. In order to know how many people died at least you need to know the correct number of population in Hargeysa, Burco, and Berbera area. This will determined the outcome of the whole debate. Looking forward to your reply 'hometownboy'.

Violet, I highlighted that part to show you that these people which you claim to be with you all the way dont actually want you. The only thing that is keeping them intact thus far is one thing only, qabiil. They don't get the respect or don't get the things they need from Pland, however they are sent to the frontlines when they are needed, whether it's against Somaliland or even in Southern Somalia. The Puntland admin calls upon them in time of need and gives them the cold shoulder when they aren't so. Again, your claims are baseless that they want to be with puntland, and hey I am not saying they want to go with Somaliland's case either, however the hard truth is they rather go their own way, aside from their 'tolka' in Puntland. If you can except that fact, then my work here is done. The reason isn't becaue they dislike Puntland for qabiil wise, they share same clan lineage, however because they don't get their fair share of Puntland state which was established in order to give each member of tribe X their fair share.

You see people when I say the TFG supporters aren't stable in some way, that is what I am talking about. Just take a sneak of mr.duke's comments and you will know why. he still insists it was the TFG and not the Ethiopians that 'defeated' the UIC..oh really?! moreover, the UIC were never disarmed, the fight is still on....what you been disarmed?

'if somalia is divisible, so is Somaliland' that didn't make any sense at all, and her comments were not funny at all. Kaalay what you have been eating tonight. loool P.S Aisha kawaran? lool

Originally posted by Caamir: Mjbada cas, the people of Sool and Sanaag are better off being left alone and they know how to survive. The Land administrations do not have the capacity to do much and they are not recognized governments . Wake up from the delusions you dwell on. ^ For one that is what Caamir said, and you are saying Sool and Sanaag do want to be with Pland, natives from the area hold slightly different idea. No one said anything about seceding, we are talking about 'what have you done for me lately' coming out of sool and Sanaag residents. p.s, it's funny how you sorted out the only comments regarding qabiil, that must be your expertise.

looool...btw....gacaliyo=my dear love in Somali. Ileen Duke af somaliga ma yaqaan waa wareey. Just kidding I won't put you on the spot sxb. ii raaxayso= have cup of tea and relax.

I love Galkacayo, my causins (inabtiyos) are from there. I had a good afternoon shaah in one of the hotel's I spent the night...can't say enough about that. However, your accusation is baseless, mindless, and shamefull that you think I want to attack Gorowe, why would I. After all I don't link myself to politicians like you have with ina Yey.

^yes you may certainly may. However, I have my reasons for discussing the 'somali' politics you speak especially when you come supporting xabashi daba dhilif regime like the TFG, everyone is welcome to bash it, because they deserve so. Anyhow, Somaliland politics is Somali politics as well, so is Djabuti. Mise Soamliland somali maahan?

Originally posted by Caamir: Ahmed Yasinm the current vice president is the malefactor in Zamzam's rape case. His utter nonsense is predictable. http://www.somalitalk.com/samsam/ :eek: :confused: acudubilaah, waar just relax, anyone else but he. Caamir saaxib, you are probably smart enough to know what is true from what isn't, therefore dont' believe every nonsense that you read. Obviously he couldnt' rape Zam Zam duacaale. I personally don't like the Suufi, but raping ZamZam that is just waaaay over the top, least you shouldn't believe it.

GD, Seriously you must like me too much gacaliyo.lool ^just playing. Anyways, no I don't wish to attack your little city in the middle of no where, I rather stay at my new Hargeysa neighborhood and chil with my boys and let them boys in Gorowe chil in their own version of 'new hargeysa' in gorowe, no harm, simply living side by side in peace and harmony....aaah, love to see that happen. Now iska raxayso duqa, and yes my name ONCE AGAIN is not MJ.SNM, but Bada Cas.

Waryaa Gediid waa kaalay xaalada kawaran is ma naqaan ayaan umalayn laakin barasho wacan, my name is Mujaahid bada Case formerly known as red sea, from hargeysa. Welcome back and yes behave like lil soldier or you buttcheeks will be resting far away from here. bada bim bada bum, wlc awoow.

Waryaa Emperor, Khalaf and Gediid, stop it guys, you are protesting way too much. Maybe the western idealogy of 'let everyone run their mind' has deluded you. In case I need to remind you we are Muslims, we have limitation on what we can say and what we cannot, therefore stop the calalcal...the site is doing well, I am luving it.

lol....its' okay let them critize the politicians as much as they want, just would like to see them as you said pay more attention to others as well would do great deal. 2 years ago? okay.......!

Caamir, Thanks for making my point for me. That is exactly what I am telling these people from Pland, I do take say that we (somaliland) leave Sanaag and Sool alone, however will Planders from SOL believe in such, I think not.... BTW...violet, take a note sister. Caamir, Maakhir, Paragon, Dabshid, laba xiinyood, Mansa Muse, Soo Maal, and more, are from these areas, gues what? they are all for seperate entity apart from Pland and Somaliland, which puts your claim that they want Puntland to sleep. wink.

Violet and caamir, First of all, living in one place doesnt' mean that they reside there mostly. We can say the clans from borama live in Hargeysa as well however we are speaking of where the majority of such folks reside, in this case sool and Sanaag though they reside in other areas as well, but they are there to mostly seek business oppurtunities. Secondly, the Abdullahi Yusuf, Cade Muse, and Ali Jamac are all the same pieces of single clan, they might not be from same sub sub tribe, but they fit into the same clan. Therefore, Cadde Muse, Abdullahi Yusuf and Jamac case is irrelevent. The point I am trying to make is, that Pland USES these people in sool and Sanaag to advance their goals. They loot them when they want, just like Majiyahan incident, and then call them for help when they ARE IN THEIR DIRE NEED. That is not only playing whole regions, its' utter embrassing and I can only wait and see how long these folks remian patient. In addition, if these people (sool and Sanaag) were satified wiht Pland, they wouldn't have declared Darawiishland or wouldn't have some talking about Danwadaaag state of Sanaag particularly here in SOL. All that is because they have gotten the signal and are sick and tired of the so called 'tol ayaan nahay'. Third, I am not making the the assertion that these states be part of Somaliland, but I am just reminding the folks from Gorowe, Galkcayo and bosaaso that Sool and Sanaag have not gotten what they had given up to other Pland, hiil iyo hooba, they gotten slap in the wrist highlighted by the Majiyahan incident.