Originally posted by Nayruus: It is nice to read news written by a respected correspondent in Hargeisa. The journalist for widhwidh.com is observing the fact that many Somalis in Hargeisa, are smelling the coffee and waking up from their slumber that had been induced to them by the SNM gangs. They are looking up to Yey to take them out of the quagmire of “statelessness”. They are starting to believe that the civil war in the south is over and soon Somalia’s passport will emerge as an indispensable tool …..Hi, brothers and sisters, patience. The blue beautiful flag is coming soon to a pole near you. Before I could get or spent a minute of my time on this. Could you just explain one thing for me. I think everyone is either really confused or laughing at you right now. In fact you might be the biggest confused creature that I have ever seen, because you considered the TFG as thugs who dragged Ethiopians to somalia, and here you are on the other hand saying that Abdullahi Yusuf will save Hargeysa? take the time to explain, how you want from Anti TFG to pro TFG?

Farax brown, waryaa anigu, I would be in jail now, if I ever chewed. lol Paragon, aha that should explain it. It's clear and evident which one of us becomes an Albert Einstien. I am struggling here with my ESL level English, while aad balaayo aan lagaranayn oo marmarka qaar dictionary uraadsado aad daadinaysid. So it's you who lives in London (center of jaad) and the smarter one here. all in all, all these time on SOL, I was wondering why you are so smart, ileen you are using performance inhance drug( qaad). balo once again. lol

^lol...waa iska caadi. Nooc kasta waa in layeesho. Laakin maxay ku dhacday talow, dad badan aan aqaan oo ku dhashay xamar siiba xaafada Hodan ee ay ubadnaayeen, oo laakin aniga xataa iga qowdhan san? macnaha waxan kawaa kuwo qabiil ahaan kasoo jeeda Burco ama Hargeysaba.

^lol...waaad is qarxisay. Hayeh qowdhan rer xamar ah?

^Then Zeylac is your ideal place. The sun, clean beaches, blue skies, pearl and crystal clearness of the ocean currents, Zeylac has it! a Paradise on earth, simply breathtaking.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Hargeisa Borama Gebiley Arabsiyo Dacarbudhuq Lafaruug Awbarkhadle Berbera Biyo guure Geel loo kor Huduse Sheikh Galooley Burco Kodayare Ceel afweyn Hadaaftimo Badhan Xiin galool Ceel buh Dhahar Ceerigaabo Daallo Maydh iyo Xiis Caynaba Wadaamagoo Adhi cadeeye Laascaanood Xudun Saylac Lughaya I almost forget xeebaheenii. Xageen ku ilaabay. Zeylac, historic place, Masha Allah, it's so beautiful, the beaches, the palm trees( there are no palm trees actually, or are there? Maydh iyo Xiis, if they developed, they would make lovely seashore towns. :cool:

Las Anod made the list, but Boroma didn't. you have got to be flipping kidding me!

Inaa lilaahi wa inaa Ilayhi raajicuun. May Allah have mercy on his soul, bring ease during these grevious times on his family. Amiin...

Paragon Ileen waa run, jaadka waalagu cunaa Ingriiska, ala maxaa dhib taala halkaas.

Castro, That is terrbile example, because the U.S citizens were not oppressed nor where they freed from oppressing regime, Somalilanders actaully experience such state of fear.

NG, So you are saying let these catz run the show and we somalilanders sit on the sideliness, are you out of your mind? Offcourse, I will always get my points across else, the nature of Somalis will kick in that if someone stays silent, they must not have an answer for anything. It's a public forum after all, to exchange views is what we are here for. NG, since you put it that way, Why don't I put you on the spot. Are you pro union or pro Somaliland aka 'seccesionists'? Chew on that.

Originally posted by Caamir: This is the meaning of Genocide the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. Okay: So how would you explain, the Jazeera massacre of which almost all of them were elite educaters, bussiness men, etc.. from the same clan? Siyad Bare's regime went after rebels who were agents of social disorder and the government at the time treated ith as potential and actual dangers to the social order. Most of the Somali bombers refused to bombard their own people which they were trained and equiped to defend. In fact, when the people fled Hargeysa in 1988, the first area of displaced was onto the North eastern side of the city, namely near the 'Naaso Hablood' mountains aka twin mountains. The planes actually went after them and started bombing them in those camps as well. I don't think there were rebels there at all. n the other hand, I have always had disagreement with those who treated the outcome of former SNM vs the government war as genocide. In fact, it was SNM that committed genocide against civilians of Sool and Sanaag because it intentionally and deliberately massacred civilians on the countryside and even captured towns and villages. This is crazy. For SNM to commit a genocide against reer Sool and Sanag would have to be done in very quick fashion. Because peace was declared just as soon as Barre government callapsed in 1991. Do you have documents to support your claim. The funny thing is you said SNM commited A GENOCIDE against reer Sool and Sanaag, yet what Barre did wasn't a genocide. lol Offcourse the SNM did kill, they were no saints at all. PS. what do you really know Caamir, you think the killings done by the Xabashis TODAY are just in defense of a nation, how would you explain that to us as well?

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Bad case = Baaruud? Ma anaan garan dhega adaygaaga . Yes it's me, easy to spot am I not?

Originally posted by Castro: Keeping something a secret only to hijack the agenda later reeks of a conspiracy led by a few elitist individuals (not unlike the neocon agenda for Iraq) and is hardly a defense for the legitimacy of Somaliland. Be careful what you write on here. Let us get one thing perfectly clear first. SNM was freedom fighting force, there is no question about that. They didn't simply decided to fight so they could seceed from the rest, though that was always in contention. The reason I said you won't find it written anywhere is that because when you are fighting a war, you need all the help you can get. For that reason, if SNM said, they were fighting against oppression and then for secession, heck they would have difficult time getting support from other somalis in other areas. Secondly, what does it tell you, when a large group of people welcome the an idea, like seccesion without a hesitation. The people are/were in full support of seccesion, else it wouldn't have been so popular without them. A good example would be mr. Tuur, whom 'denounce' what he and other started, yet the steamroller kept rolling along even without him, largely due to the support of the people which overshadowed. That would tackle and stop any doubt that the people were not in support of this on its tracks. And I think you mean 'secede' not succeed. The latter, no one is disputing. Somaliland, sans the secession, is a shining example for all Somalis everywhere. Yes it is. Only if some people like mr. me could get it, things would have been alot better. Or as mr. me says, he would like to see Somaliland at war, so that the dream of seccesion would evoprate, ladies and gents, that is Somaliwayne unionist and proud patriot.

Originally posted by Geel_Jire12 Are you saying certain clans were angry? because as i have said before there was never a group of people called "Somalilanders" at that time. Somalilanders of Present day in 47 years ago.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^You are doing it agian yaa Baruud. Ninkii ku mucaaradab waa calooshiis u shaqayste soo maaha...i am sure you will throw the sam charge if Siilaanyo comes out against Somaliland's bid to secede... Xiin, He didn't come out against the case of Somaliland because he believed it was a mistake , but because he couldn't except the fact that Igal was chosen over him, offcourse he being former chairman of the SNM oo kaadidiisa usoo cabay. . Secondly, if he were really for union, he would have came out against it during the Burco conference, he was the chairman for the love of God of the whole movement. His case was, since I didn't get things role my way, I shall deny Igal and the rest their way. That is not a believer, that is an oppurtunist. fact: He did try to do that, though aabhihii Siyaasada Igal was able to shake off of it. He and other leaders of the two of the largest sub clans in Somaliland tried to pit sub clan against each other, a major wars broke out in Hargeysa and Burco, Tuur and others lost it as reslut and Igal suceeded in not only staying in power but was also elected for yet another term. Sorry but Tuur was outplayed in the political game big time.

Originally posted by Xanthus: Ngong^^^^Hmmm interesting way of looking at things heck no. He presented Somaliland as '***** yar' darn it. NG, couldnt' you find a better example. Ilahow ha nacadaabin.

Originally posted by -Nomadique-: Castro, im still working on obtaining a copy of the Manifesto, but im almost 100% certain that the SNM Manifesto does not speak of seccession. Infact, I happen to know that there was at least one original founder of the SNM who thought the declaration of independence was a big mistake. You may not find it on a paper written before 1991 that Somaliland was going to succeed, it has always been a secret between the SNM ranks. That being said, as Suldaanka said the disafication about the union from Somalilanders was clear from the get go, when the South took both posts, the Presidency and PM spot, when the deal was, that the south should have taken the Presidency and Somaliland, the Prime minister spot. It didn't happen, disafications started from that point on. And many somalilanders wanted to get out of the union. If the people didn't want to seceed, they would have not supported it passionately when Somaliland adopted a new flag and declared independence from somalia. In addition, Mr. Abdulraxman Tuur was an oppurtuntist. He was not a leader, he lacked the skill to lead state or even to get it together. He was chosen as Somaliland first President, however he was upset by the fact that the people wanted a better leader, a more charismatic and diplomatic at the same time ruugcadaa politician, the people had Igal on their site, therefore they chose Igal over him, and in anger, he simply went to join the USC in Xamar and appointed himself as vice President or some sort in Southern Somalia. That is not a man who believed a union but was just an oppurtunist. PS. I need to note that Abdulraxman Tuur did a great job in his SNM years as chairman of the movment, however, his role in Somaliland's civil wars and his show of oppurtinistic character was troubling.

Originally posted by Ms Dhucdhuc & Dheylo: SO lets say he pacifies Muqdishu...would people want the war to continue in order to kick the Ethiopians out? I wonder what would people of Muqdishu would like? 1- peace under dictator/occupiers 2-anarchy/chaos/killings/looting As an average Caasho cadeey living in Suuqaha Bokaaraha, I would choose peace under any circumstances. It is very easy for us (with all our security and jobs) to condemn. Put yourself in their position. You misfired there to say the least Dhucdhuc. Remember Muqdisho was already peaceful under the Union of the Islamic courts up to the point where the occupiers came. They kicked out these same warlords like Col. Qaybdiid and Mohamed dheere, now they are back. They were the trouble makers in Muqdisho previously. They were the ones who looted, killed, raped, not the people. If the people are left alone, they will get along and they will strive to better governance, in this case they prefer the ICU, and that is what they are willing to fight to get it back.

^lol... ninkan sifiican ayaad utaqaan I must say. Markuu ku arko difaac adag ayuu galaa. Horaan umakhlay. Bisadna waa ka ciyaar, jiirna waa kanaf. Ninka iska daa paragonow.

Somalieconomist, No one stated such, I didnt' say it neither did Renegade, read the comments again if you dont' mind. Secondly, if you find anything redicolous, you should find the massacring of innocent civilians and bombardment of their homes as just that. in addition, you may invest anywhere, that is your personal bussiness and choice not mind. The bottomline is , what you say here or elsewhere doesn't change nor does it alter the direction in which Somaliland is heading, for that apparanent reason, your talk is nothing but hal bacaad lagu lisay, cheap. Mr. President, how many places are you from? You use to say that you were from Hargeysa, wassup with that hommie?

wow, trully amazing. A historical piece. Many thanks to alSumaale.

^lol...I am really a.....aaah darn it gabadha.

They would rather hold the U.S flag while singing, but you hand the Somaliland flag, boy you are in deep trouble!

1. Hargeysa 2. Shiekh(saaxil). 3. Boroma 4. Beledweyne.