^lol...really? Well I think they are fighting for the sake of their own region, Somali galbeed, not for all Somalis though, and since their struggle is against non Muslim nation, evil doers, occupiers, we should all somalis support them for the action. However internally we can discuss on ways for ONLF to improve by perhaps first changing the name which they operate on from ONLF, back to WSLF(Western Somali liberation front).

lol@nolanders, trying to give one last 'good' advice on how to make wise selection in the upcoming elections. I am sorry guys, but the decision lies with those who had chosen Riyaale in the first place who are now tired of him. They want to replace him, yes they want change for better. And if this year election goes well, without much corruption( couldn't be guranteed it will be 100% without it) then, Riyale will not be back.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: quote:Posted by Stealth "On your point about self defense. You are right, you know you are really correct on that. Somaliland should unleash hell on Puntland, so that way they could get some respect. They really should start a war right now, and even press onto gorowe, perhaps then Somaliland can be viewed as an entity that has the sheer will power to protect the territory which it claims. I feel like this is the only way Somalis will appriciate things, if they feel the baaruud itself. This is Africa after all, and the way one gets respect or be taken seriously is being assertive." Baruud, this sounds like what Yeey would say. Let us kick some butt hehehe. Brother, mr. Caano geel is hot over nothing. Obviously that is how the reality is. However, I am amazed he think I am saying that as though I want that to happen. Castro said, Somaliland is too soft, and I was responding to his comments that Somaliland should then turn into killing machine to get respect then...that was my point.

Riyale hasn't visited Burco either, however silaanyo did visit parts of sool.

duke, It's very simple, thousands and thousands have celebrated. Recognition will come when Allah meant to be, it's not something I or you can predict. However in the current state of affairs, Somaliland has control over the majority of its land, its citizens onboard of its mission, with the exception of most of Sool and eastern sanaag, however Somaliland hasnt' used force to influenced them to join or celebrate with the rest. On the other hand in your beloved TFG, it has no support outside of ina Yey home region, Puntland. It cannot survive a week in the capital without the presence of foreign fighters to save guard it, that being said, you very well know that Riyale doesn't need foreigners to watch over him...then can we compare your foreign product TFG which has no support even in the capital to Somaliland which has the support of the majority of the area with exception of parts of Sool and eastern Sanaag, and even they have NOT been forced to cooperate. As for your other comments, I don't see how perhaps the worst somali ever can make it as your hero, unless offcourse it takes only for that hero to be your kinsmen. Check out this hypocricy: you said ina Yey is hero (though mass killing was done under his watch) vs. to one who has said that he WOULD commit mass killings...how are they different. Because one commited by using EThiopian arsenal to his way to power and the other is saying he would use force to get grip on sool and eastern Sanaag. You tell me.

lol....this guy is jackass, there is no question about that. But the funny thing is, some people here are comparing ina Yey to Ina warabe. They are not even close. Words words mean nothing, however action is what counts the most. What he could have, would have, should have, is no concern to anyone, however ina Yey and his xabashi helpers have been there, and done that....and that makes him a hero to some, perhaps to the poster of this topic. What a world!!!

So I was right. The only thing Somalia fared better than Somaliland was/is the banana industry . That was then, and still we haven't advanced much. Though Somaliland has done alot better than Somalia as it stands now. Ethiopia is now occupying and we can say mission accomplished to them xabashis. Good article, I enjoyed it mightly. Thanks.

Castro, Alot of that has to do with the lack of progress made by the Riyaale kahin adminstrations. The current Somaliland adminstration hasn't done anything to improve the system, the rule of law, or alot of other basic needs. That still does not stand on the way nor does it mean since Somaliland isn't doing quite well as far political wise, then they should give up their dream, that is not how things will go. Somaliland is still years ahead and there is not an entity that can claim the same success of Somaliand, though in my eyes somaliland has along way to go. What needs to happen now? we need leadership change, we need to reshuffle somethings to improve. Both foreign and domestic affairs. Somaliland needs to start to evolve from within. We need to improve the quality of government that we have, Riyaale kahin and his Udub party are by far the ones who are holding back Somaliland. That is why the upcoming elections are so important for Somalilanders to choose their leaders wisely unlike the last time. On your point about self defense. You are right, you know you are really correct on that. Somaliland should unleash hell on Puntland, so that way they could get some respect. They really should start a war right now, and even press onto gorowe, perhaps then Somaliland can be viewed as an entity that has the sheer will power to protect the territory which it claims. I feel like this is the only way Somalis will appriciate things, if they feel the baaruud itself. This is Africa after all, and the way one gets respect or be taken seriously is being assertive. PROF: Peterm Pham is a civilian pen, whatever he utters is his own personal opinion. So whether he is friend or not doesn't really concern anyone, but his writings may help Somaliland in the short term.

^Why are you so upset, those the TFG helpers remember....

G. canood, You see quoting and writing pages of meaningless writings isn't going to say much. Little you need to know, the Arab league and those Islamic Orginazations you speak have little influence in Somaliland nor are they capable of speaking for you. You need to be on your own, on that. Quoting them to try to make a point is laughable. You keep discussing about unity yet you can't answer simple question which I asked and even Geeljire asked. If you support unity, then how can you consider the occupiers of Xamar and the one who occupies somali galbeed an ally? You can cry about Somaliland presence in Sool however you won't in Ethiopia's presence in the capital and somali galbeed, that tells me something mr. Garad canood. Besides, you need to prove where I have supported faysal cali warabe's infamous sayings, or even supported him directly. If you can't prove it, then the fool is not me. no I don't support any ethiopian soldiers' presence in any somali soil, tell me where I have, if you can't, hey once again, I am not the fool. You must be dreaming or addressing the wrong guy here, because your accusation don't apply to me in any way. If you think they are, the please prove prove. mr. me, You had been dealt with long ago, I am sorry that I embrassed you right infront of everyone. My post on the other thread and two back to back threads from kashafa has put you on the sideliness for sure. You are no longer one to ask anything. iska raaxayso.

Oh, is it really that hard, personally I dont' think it requires much thinking to know that if this old man goes to Xamar, then comes back given a position of whatever sort, that it wouldn't make any difference at all. Because Somaliland already has government, parliament. he can go on his own peril, he would only be wasting a trip or perhaps might be lucky enough to recieve some money all in the name of the clan which he is the prince of, however does that mean anything to anyone NO, only to him it does though. very simple. nayruus, come down, this isn't going to shake Somaliland (your worst nightmare), so yes keep getting excited. The old man is going to get some bucks...that is all. To you it means he will bring Somaliland to Somalia, that is funnyyy.

I am here, but first I need to know if I can play the lead role, cuz I am really talented. What is it about, give us little idea about the story line plz. If its' romantic story, then you are looking at Cilmi boondheri jr. lol ...btw...check out my profile, I am from MPLS as well, its' Minnesota not minisota...see I am talented.

Somali thinker, ....is on fire. You got this boy, you have commanding control over them. Although I shouldnt' be saying anything, but for the fun of it, why not...you know what the heck. Have you wondered why these lads all of sudden wake up just to write about Somaliland the next day all of sudden, well because it burns them. Somaliland honestly itches them, they cannot stand it. usually those who itch have nothing else to fall back on that would ease their irritation. The TFG that they support happens to be a foreing product which has no support from its own civilians. Even the mini state of Puntland that used to be compared to Somaliland as far as peace and stability has become choatic launching pad for xabashi forces to launch their dirty missions to oppress other somalis. somaliland is still standing, still developing, and hasn't taken any steps back since the Somaliland civil wars in mid 1990s. As for May the 18th.... we already did. Celebrations are over, now it's time to get to work until next year. Peace and tranquilty somalilanders, see you next year Insha Allah. Ignore those whose nighmare is Somaliland, let it haunt them for the rest of their lives.

Okay Che, lol@ half of my family is from Buuhoodle...oookay, so what? In that case, gaashamo is mind, xarshin is mind, so is rabaso, there is no such thing as Og-denia, everywhere where few of my causins live should be annexed I say. That should do it.

How long has it been... It took many years for those refugees who related even qabiil wise who were previously displaced during the wars in late 80s to get a permanant residential area. It hasn't been even a year. I am sure they are being treated very well. They are somalis, they speak the language, the know the customs and everything, so they won't find all that hard to familiarize with the place. Good luck to them indeed. ....and by the way, this is your boy Stealth saying welcome home.

Originally posted by Maakhir: The Admin should permit the use of OG as a land but not as a clan. It is not fair that the people of Hargeisa bombard us with their daily seperatists rhetoric while we stifle the real voice that is screaming for justice. That is redicolous, even Hargeysa found itself here. Ma qabiil magicii ayay 'folks from Hargeysa' soo galiyaan meesha, waxanoo nacayb ah iska yaree. The term that is most often used here is somali galbeed, because the site automaticaly edits the term Og......., reason being, it's qabiil name. However everyone knows what one means even when edited. so no worries there.

mr. che , dhibaatada ku haysataa waxay tahay, wax ala waxaaad ka hadlaysid garanmaysid, anaga laftayadu garan mayno jiho aad ku socoto iyo meel aad kasocoto. As soon as you sit in front of the PC, you should have an objective of what exactly you are going to write about, and before you write you should have a good idea at least for what the purpose you are casting your opinion. Judging based on that, I cannot even give you the slightest point for anything or any point that you have raised, you simply lack the valuable tools to engage anyone regarding anything about somaliland over the sool and sanaag issue. You are simply going with what you heard from folks like garaad canood, a man who has no principles whatsoever, rather a man who is against everything of somaliland. He simply cries when he hears about somaliland and would go banana if he ever witnesses a dude from burco in Sool, but considers the Ethiopian invading forces of much of somalia as 'a friend' an 'assistant' to the national government. You being on the same side of the fense with these creatues is utterly embrassing as well as it's makes you look like a man who has no ground to stand on. So I advice you to come up wiht your OWN LINES to preach, and don't be like many others, a bench warmer. Yes, Somaliland case is NOT about qabiil. Some people like G.canood still cry about SNM which doesnt' even exist, he actually believes that snm is still functional and is here to cause harm to his home state, sool. How redicolous can those ideas be my friend. In the eyes of some folks here, which quiete sadly you seem to have joined, somaliland is nothing but clan state which is hellbent on destroying, creating hate and advancing immoral idealogies towards other regions, let me ask you since you are tireless and pointless arguing without knowledge or shall I say diving everything regarding somaliland head first, do you believe such? do you believe that somaliland is nothing but qabiil fiefdom created out of hatred etc....like many others do, do you people that elections, free ones they are, the protection of minority rights most parts, the peace and tranquilty that has been taken place in somaliland for last decade plus can simply be dismissed so easily without a thought....some actually consider somaliland as the seccesionist mafia or gang....that is quite sad way to refer to the 'island of stability in the choatic horn' as even gaalos refered to it as. Don't be misled to believe or don't made to sing the same lyrics and tunes as those somaliland haters whom consider xabashis as their saviors while considering somaliland as 'thug movement'. Everyone is welcome to critize the SL admin, however no one can simply dismiss the job well done in Somaliland....and definately you shouldn't. Just read this article below of how Somaliland has housed 40,000 'refugees' more so than any other 'somalijecel' region....just read yourself. somalis who have fled in Muqdisho will not be regarded as refugees and therefore given any aid, because that would mean Somaliland would have be considered as seperate country of its own....40,000 are now being sheltered, given food, welcomed by somalilanders. I think credit should be given where its due at times, instead of blidly, arrogantly arguing or selling yourself out for the purpose of perhaps being given little pat on the shoulder by some. Let us cut the crap here.

Maxaad ka hadlaysaa? 'every somali tribe will decide their own fate'? according to who to che or to the world standards....we need to seperate personal opinions which are usually emotionally charged like the one above from the reality on the ground. The world rotates in one way, it may not be to your favor, but hey tough luck....heck reer Muqdisho no longer wake up to the Atham in most parts due to what some here like G. Canood call a government.

These are Ala Ibaday farm lands and lakes that were ruined during the heavy spring rains in Somaliland. As pics display there are work under way to reconstructing them. this lake below is named 'lake lawyer'..

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: woow, woow! these nationalist did a good job! sorry to kill the mood for you, but it started with son of Sangub, whom his mom is from Somaliland and another guy over a chick. ....it's not what you think mr. nationalist. :rolleyes: besides, consider this, when the Xaflag was suppose to go for 6 hours, and it went on as planned for 5 1/2 hours, what do you consider that?

^furaash ayaa hoos noo yaal. loool

^lol...I know you would show up. But honestly speaking, I cannot read fine prints, shorten up your writings or highlight it for me. I cannot read what the heck you just scrippled above. I would like to know what the Islamic conference, the site isnt' functioning for me, but whatever they have said, I would like to know what they think of your beloved Xabashi driven TFG. There is something that people always get wrong, which is 'the SNM clan'. did you not know that such clan which you speak is equivalant to the great clan which you hail from, the ones that settle in Somali galbeed, East, south, did you not know that? So when I say single clan family, I am speaking of sub clans that make up greater clan known. For example the clan tha settles mostly in Sool is single clan family, it's the equivalant of single clan families that reside in either East or West of Burco. Secondly, yes indeed somaliland has done a great job in making sure that peace prevails in Somaliland. You brought up some examples of 'wars' taken place in areas like sool and most recently sanaag. However those cannot be considered large scale wars, as they didn't cause any displacements, however some troops battled for few hours and then it came into a hault. It cannot be considered as major. In addition, you said there was no war in the North from 1989-90?! ^^^ We were in refugee camps, this was the peak of the violence in the North, by this time, things were utterly out of control. You seriously dont' have a clue of what you write. As for referendum, it would only be taken from the areas that are seceeding aka Ex-British Somaliland. To give you good example, let me take Somali galbeed as an example. As you probably know there is major clan that resides in somali galbeed and there are also many other 'small' tribes that reside there as well. The region itself is named after the majority tribe. that being said, let us say that this area were to be freed from Ethiopian occupation and after they are freed they were given a choice of whether or not they would want to join somalia or be an independent nation that operates under its own flag, admin etc.... There would perhaps be some clan forexamples those reside in Gaashamo, Maholin, some parts of Aware, Rabasso, Xarshin etc....that would want to join Somaliland, because their kinsmen reside there, however they would outnumbered by the majority tribe' decision whatever it might be. You cannot say, that people that reside in Gaashamo are other areas aka reer hebel which relates to the clan in Somaliland can simply say no we no longer want to be part of O-gedenia, but rather part of Somaliland. It cannot happen that way. ...thus if referedum would be taken, it would exclude every other region except the region which it concerns the most. ....get it....that is how the world operates. I still cannot understand how one can be pro somaliwayne, yet consider the occupiers of somali galbeed as an 'ally'. Yes I am bringing this up.

lol@scaping oppression. that is pretty sad indeed, and quite honestly that is not the case. No it's not because we 'fear' anything, we have no reason to be. to find your answer you can read many many previous posts which had been discused here and else where. 1. territorial integrity which is claimed by Somaliland are the territories which were marked by the british that joined the South (ex. Italian colonised territory). 2. The people aren't neccesarily from one tribe( though many think that SL consists only 1 qabiil) eventhough the President himself isn't from the majority tribe there. 3. There are two different cases in Somaliland as I understand for the terms majority and minority. a. majority- can be define in SL as qabiil majoriy who mostly inhabit the areas known as Somaliland today. or it can be regarded as the 'will of the majority' defing the voices of those who want seccession vs. those who don't. b. As for 'minority'. It can also be being a minority, because one belongs into smaller qabiil or it can be a role which points out that one is outnumbered as far their voice against the seccesion.. Yes it's true the majority of rer sool are against the secesion of somaliland and most parts of Sanaag as well, however these areas are outnumbered by those who are for the seccesion in other areas of somaliland. Thus if referendum was taken in the areas which is claimed by Somaliland, the outcome would be a 'yes' vote for seccesion more than likely. Ps. as far as domination, reer sool made up the majority in the Somaliland parliament in the Igal admin as far as single clan family was concern. One thing somaliland has done suprisingly is being very flexible to all clans, and today there are representives for each region that is willing to being part of somalilnd or otherwise.

Okay now you have my attention. So get a notebook and a pencil, take notes will ya. Let me start off with your comparison first of all. Firstly, I am very aware of how some somalis do accuse us of 'riding' as they say 'the victim horse'. so let us examine that shall we? When in 1991, the SNM took control of the North of what is known today as Somaliland. For instances, the areas such as Awdal, Sanaag, and Sool. These areas are mostly inhabited by tribes other than the 'majority' tribe in Somaliland, which the SNM consisted mostly of. The SNM did commit crimes against these people, but however on very low scale, at least much less than was expected. Forexample, some sectors of the SNM, particulary SNM sects of Col. Ahmed Mire in Sool and Sanaag fronts killed some people who were previously accused of assisting the Barre campaign to supress the civilians in Hargeysa. He and his group were notably the only SNM sect that commited some crimes in those areas, some crimes were also reported of being commited in the WEst in Awdal, however not large scale as what went in Southern Somalia. What did the SNM do from that point on? They called upon all elders, leaders to attend the Burco conference to establish what is known as Somaliland today. Those who attended hailed from all major/minor tribes of the North, almost no one was left out of that burco conference. Why am I going into some history? Well it puts the claim of Cuqdad to rest Secondly, Somalilanders are the only ones to elect, yes I am speaking in comparison to Puntland, to Southern Somalia, to Jabuti, to somali galbeed, and even to NFD, somalilanders which also accused of having cuqdad and drawbacks of what the previous dictator regime did, are suprisingly the only ones who have elected a man, who has record of commiting crimes against them Somalilanders, a man who served the previous regime's secret service (NSS) as their leader, and might even be reelected now once again. So once again, so much for having cuqdad. I challege YOU old lady. ... to show, prove to me, when someone who is accused 'riding the victim horse', someone having a cuqdad takes the action to elect and implement those whom have commited crimes against them. yes prove it to me, if you can't then drop the cuqdad and playing the victim card accusations. As for the Zionists or let us even say the Jews in Isreal It's very clear that you lack the knowledge or perhaps let us give you the benefit of the doubt that your observation was simply due to humanistic error. ...so once again let me school, thus take notes ms. There said to be just over 20 million Jews worldwid, only about 4-6 million of them live in Isreal, however others are scattered around the world. one thing they mostly have in common though is to serve the interests of their Zionist state of Isreal in the middle East and to combat the enemy of the 'Isreali state' Those in the U.S government have huge influence in the U.S government and in fact two of the men that got the U.S involved in the Iraq war were said to be Jewish, one of them currently being President of world bank, mr. Wolfawitz and another man which I can't recall his name. on top of that, there are lobbyists, who lobby the U.S government in trying to convice them that there is dangers from the Muslim world facing the Isreali state therefore the power U.S government needs to do something about them. All in all, these Jewish around the globe, think, dream, of how they would not only save guard their Zionist state but how they would also down play the Islamic teachings, how they would supress the Muslim and put them to sleep while keeping them asleep. Isreal invaded Lebenon and caused great destruction on many livelyhoods, they kill without being asked or even noted innocent young Palenstinians and Nay the world doesn't do anything about, whY? simple fact: their lobbyists, their influencial leaders in the U.S government as well as government around the globe are making sure, the crimes commited by Isreal go undetected , very simple. On the other hand to shed little light on Somalilanders. Somalilanders are not standing in the way for other somalis to reach peace, nor are they sending merciries to try to put a cork where there is possibility of peace coming about in Southern Somalia. Sure Somalilanders do at times sugar coat their history, may even add some lies, but who doesnt really? Southern Somalia has been experiencing very difficult times for almost two decades now, and quite honestly Somaliladers aren't to blame for any of their misfortunes furthermore, I would like to say that you need to review your last minute crazy thoughts and perhaps this time see how the TFG which is even supported by the Jewish senator of mr. Norm coleman fairs against the Zionist state. Thanks for your attention

Sayyid, you have no knowledge in the matter at hand, hence why I am not being too articulate with you. So we shall see, kolay adiga shaqo kuutaal maahan eh.