Does it really matter Emperor. Because neither of them is ready to be excepted by America. Yes both are qualified in many ways then the other side of the political spectrum. However, the people are not ready to except Black man as their President (it doesn't matter how he appeals to anyone), nor are they ready for a lady President. That is just the truth on the ground. Al gore would have run away with it this year or even if Kerry run again this year, the competition is wide open, but unfortunately the Dems' have no 'exceptable' candidates which can be excepted by the public....they still haven't gotten over that a colored man nor a lady could lead a country against 'uuuuh the dangerous world of terrorism'. One of them folks from the Conservatives will win Again.

Northerner iyo afsomali maxaa kala haysta? There is nothing to sugar coat here, the truth of the matter is, there is nothing that could compare, not London, not New York, not hollywood to my beloved city of Hargeysa. That is the truth. My Niyad tells me that. I am going next week, I will send you pics and everything you need, I bet you will be itching to get off your western hellhole and wanting to jump on a plane and be where I am then. The sun, the breez, the afternoon qaxwa, the people, the Aadaan, did I mention the ocean view from Zeylac, Maydh and Xiis, the beauty of Hargeysa' twin mountains where our home is close to.....my friends, my relatives. Are you kidding me poeple, it's too much good to really call it negativity. Then again, inan yar oo ku naaxday chips oo waligeed arag flies maxaan kala yaabi. BTW...if you don't find me, then I will be chilling and getting too lazy to lift a finger to type a single phrase into the keyboard. aaah lovely. Hargeysaay here I come:

CabdiCaziiz Mubaarak ooow, Ilahay hakula garab galo wixii kale ee aad dabacday.....and congrats for completing high school successfully. Masha Allah. Jacaylow, waar is ilaali bal yaan lafahaaga laguu cunin eh.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: This is the catch though: the old man in the south garnered Ethiopia’s support to reach his political goals, likewise secessionists everywhere do the same thing and are found in Ethiopia's capital begging the same support. Let me take little more time with this point here. It's really sad today, that one can have the guts to compare a state with fully functioning government, corrupt yes in some ways, but fully functioning, happy population, extremely peaceful atmosphere and what many called it the 'peaceful oasis' in the horn and can simply put it on the same boat as a regime which came to be in a forceful way using non Somalis to kill other Somalis. A regime that functions not without as you said without the Ethiopians supressing the voices of majority of Somalis and making them submit to an entity which they want not can in no way on God's blue Planet be compared to an entity which came to be on its own, under the guidance of its people, under the pens of locals not foreigners, under the shades of local trees not foreing hotels and lastly which secured itself with its sons and daughters who are homegrown. I think everyone who is reading this, who is reasonable can see the arogance of those two comparisons into being one and the same thing. I think it's not only uncivilized and ironic, but it's something that bothers me too much to look over. I can't grasp how the TFG and Somaliland be comparable in many ways, withe exception that Ethiopia is the 'creator' of one and the influecing force behind the other. Somaliland was, Ethiopia influence came. The TFG never were, they were made to be about my Ethiopia. Very BIG difference adeer. Kala saar, si xaq ahna wax uufiiri.

I am really amazed by your comments, you considered mind as rude, however your comments were mostly filled with emotional outbursts. If you want to have any sort of discussion with me here, you have to be willing to respect the opinionos of others, when it does no harm nor advance any wrongful ideas that would make one break the rules of Islam. Before I go into anything else, let me first ask one simple question...and that is. Is the seccession of Somaliland a sin in our faith or is so called Somaliwayne earn one to be more rightous than the other who believes in Somaliland. ? I think the answer is very simple, as simple as 'No' would do. Therefore please let us not pretend or dismiss ourselves as being naturally to be right on issue such as this. All I am saying here is don't be so self rightous for you are closer to the truth nor are closer to rightous deeds than I am regardless of what concept of either Somaliwayne or whatever that you believe in. That being said, you have made comment that Somaliland is the baby of Ethiopia. What does that mean? well basicaly you implying that Somaliland was made, which is the main point I have came out to challenge. Firstly, you must realize that to influence and to make something are to two distinct things. To be made would apply to the TFG however to influence would define the situaiton in Somaliland. So who made Somaliland to be? There are many ways you can look at this. However, from my perspective, I would say Somaliland was created by Somalis for Somalis for Somalilanders. During the 1991 Shir (Conference) in Burco, there were no Ethiopians present to right down the rules of seccesion. If Ethiopia was present at that time, then you would have point there my dear friend. However that being NOT the case is therefore grave mistake for you to simply dismiss the hard work done by those elders, educatars, former militia men etc... in order to bring the chaos to end and avoid further blood shed in the region, heck alot of people benefited from this. You and I agree.... That Ethiopia doesn't want the somalis to ever be in strong position, hence they fear to be challenged militarily in the region. Yes that we do agree. However, you must realize if Ethiopia wanted that, then they would have made sure that peace didnt bloom in Somaliland in 1991, mind you Ethiopia was facing its own regime change back then. Therefore that is clear indiction that Somaliland is the formula straight from the cerebrum of Somalilanders and not foreigners as you claimed them being the 'baby' of. As for multi parties in Somaliland. The one I personally support more and would likely vote If I had the oppurtunity would be Kulmiye party lead by Siilaany. I didn't say Faysal Cali Warabe' UCID, nor did I say Udub parties' Riyaale Kahin. There are reasons why I oppose them. Furthermore, you proved to me and everyone else that you simply think Somaliland is what Riyaale or the Udub party are. Then you are wrong my friend. We have different views mostly on many issues. I oppose Riyaale and if hate wasn't strong word for it, I would apply it. I feel the same way about the comment of Faysal Cali Warabe which you pointed I perhaps support. I think I made myself clear on that numerous times, that Faysal Cali Waraabe doesn't speak for anyone but himself and his party only. He doesn't hold the views of everyone, if you think he is, if you think Riyaale is, then consider this> Does President Bush and his Republics represent the voices of ALL Americans. . Al jawaabu cintaka. In addition, you said Somaliland begs for the Ethiopians. Okay let us say that is the case, however, don't you think Somaliland isn't doing enough bending over for Melez since they have never commited troops to Somali territory to kill. Somaliland does ask Ethiopia for recogntion, if Ethiopia didnt commit the crimes against Southern Somalia as they did recently, I would have no problem with it at all. Recently, you and mr. Castro, have been having your ways with Somaliland's issue of it being just like the TFG or perhaps slightly differ. That is where, I think you two really get it wrong by large margin as I am proving it to you time and again that Somaliland is not the product meaning made by ethiopia but rather influenced, that influence could simply begone with leadership change, however the TFG (yes Puntland state included) are the mere products of Ethiopia directly. They hand delivered them to power, they watch over them, they speak for it. Ethiopia did not deliver peace to Somaliland, nor did they disarmed any of the power SNM militia, we did it. We settle for former NSS, we did it. We managed to get our act together, we did, not ethiopia. So please for the love of mind kind, stop giving Ethiopia all of this credit, or is it a way for you and others, (Somaliland 'lover's) that is to hide behind Ethiopia in order to take timely hookes on Somaliland. Somaliland will Insha Allah be Ethiopian influenced free, and Southern Somalia will be freed all together from the occupation. Heck you people are comparing an occupation to well established region that needs only some needed changes, such as leadership. Think about that. Yeynaan is caayin na, inaad qabalist igu sheegtid xaq umalihid, sidaan horeyba kuugu sheegay, ha iska dhigin nin saxnida ku dhashay, Somaliwayne na jana ugama dhawa Somaliland, kamana sharaf badna, kama diin fiicna. Meelkasta Ilaahay wuu jooga, calankaan rabo aan taagto, hadii aan ku faraxsan ahay, waan socodsiinayaa, iyadoon cidna ujoojin. Lasoco

Originally posted by NGONGE: Reer hebel is where it's at, Red Sea. Better mobilise early or there wont be 80 votes in it this time. It's so strange for me to discuss clans in Somaliland. It has been heck of a long time since we discussed clans of Somaliland, but ooh well, I might have to agree with you. He must appeal now, before he is one muus short of full meal as Oodwayne would say. mr. oodwayne talow yuu raacsanyahay?

Allright Suldaanka way iga dhacdee dhoobada ka qaad. Che, Saaxib, mind is not as mr. me puts it. His is like religion, mind is just a word choice. I could say Somalilandernimo or perhaps, it's time to think about the interests of the whole Somaliland rather than the interests of 1 clan in Somaliland.

Originally posted by President Anwar: The opening of the Ethiopian Embassy in the capital of Somalia was one of the remarkable events in the history of the Horn. It was heartening to hear Ethiopian Foreign Minister Seyoum Mesfin, saying: “Our peace and stability have been jeopardized by a handful of extremists who profess to be the holy men ... which contradicts the tenets of Islam as peaceful, tolerant and accommodating,” In line with the known positions of his prime minister Ato Meles Zanawi, Mesfin also reminded the people that the Somali and Ethiopian people are brothers and neighbors and what they need is to move forward: “the only enemy we share is poverty but we are not enemies,” he said. wow...

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf- On SOL alone, you have staunch pro-unity, like Rudy and Peacenowrealized it does not work that e Rudy is not from Somaliland saaxib.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Ethiopia is the birthplace of the secessionist ideology. That it’s going to take the first step to further develop its baby makes most sense to me. Oh really. Do you have anything backing that claim? Is Somaliland influenced by Ethiopian politically yes, no doubt, however did Somaliland come about because of Ethiopia, no way, that is absurd and laughable. If you are making the case that the SNM was born in Ethiopian, they you luck basic understanding of it all. The SNM was created abroad, operated from Ethiopia for few years. They were kicked out after they signed agreement with Siyad Barre. The chairman of the SNM at the time they were in Ethiopia happens to be Siilaanyo, he actually condemn the Ethiopian aggression in Southern Somalia. So please before you make cheap comments like that, make sure you speak with some sort of evidence in hand. Or are you simplisticly relying on your elderly 'hadii kale waxan lahaa' here, no aahay to you there old man. Kashafa, The good thing about the SL situation is,which many people dismiss and aren't in clear understandin of is that, Somaliland contains multi parties. I feel the same way about Ethiopia and I am outraged as I am sure many Somalilanders are about Ethiopias' doings in Southern Somalia. The majority of sane beings dont support it, nor would want to have anything to do with Ethiopia beyond economical relations for the survivor of the region, military relations is no no. Somaliland simply requires a change, it needs it. Of the three parties in Somaliland, Udub is by far the most disliked, use to well received, but no more. This time Kulmiye has the edge over Udub in many ways. The chairman of Kulmiye party, mr. Silaanyo has publicly spoken out against the Ethiopian bombardment of civilians in Southern Somalia and compared it to the massacre that took place in Somaliland under the facist regime of Siyad Barre. Somaliland is indeed influence by Ethiopia, that is no secret at all, however where Somaliland hugely differs from the TFG(Puntland included) is the fact that Somaliland isn't made as claimed by Xiin, but rather the current adminstrations is under extreme influence of Ethiopia. Unlike the TFG, which regardless of the change made still would be an Ethiopian servant, just because it was actually made to be. On the other hand Somaliland needs a new leadership, who is not willing to take crap from Ethiopia. Ethiopia yes is more power than Somaliland and can simply rolled into Hargeysa without much defense, however Somaliland has been going around the world for last decade and half and is well know as being peaceful oasis which needs no disturbance, therefore it would be impossible for Ethiopa to simply invade Somaliland without an International outrage, unfortunately, the world has turned deaf ear to Muqdisho. Knowing that Mr. Silaanyo and his Kulmiye party have nothing to lose and alot to gain by telling Ethiopia straight on, that they will not take alot of crap from Melez and that Somaliland will make decisions on its own. Silaanyo met up with many Somali galbeed elders when he came to Minnesota few years back, he promised them if he took power in Somaliland that they would be no more handing of innocent men over to Ethiopia, because of being 'terrorist', Udub party is in charge of Somaliland, blame them, not somaliland, so blame Riyaale and his right and left wing men and not Somaliland. Somaliland is a country to be, whether we like it or not, and no I wish not to gain recogntion from Ethiopia, however that doesn't hault our wants for recogntion as seperate country, functioning on its own. So simply say as I say, down to Udub, viva Kulmiye. Just like most of the American people dislike Bush and his conservatives, we indeed also dislike Riyaale and his Udub party.

What a terrible thing for mind to think about. I can hardly chew on this. There is huge mis understanding here. You shoudl realize the somali people don't have any problems with Ethiopians and thier leaders for that matter. It's up to them if Melez is terrible human being or not, however the issue comes up when those problems are taken to my back yard. We start to have issue with you when you start to invade my country ilegally, kill my people in cold blood. If you want peace, if you want to live side by side peacefully, then simply leave, withdraw your dirty aids infected troops out of any Somali soil, take them back to Addis and where they came from previously, then seek companionship. However I will occupy you, kill and rape your people, call you brainwashed for resisting you won't cut it. You will be in a constant battle with me as long as you remain in tangle with my interests.

Gordon, who is desperate? hmmm....

Well, the beel that mostly resides in Western Burco was responsible for voting for Riyale mostly the last time, they were the ones who cause for Silaanyo to not win. I think Silaanyo is informing them that they should vote based on the interests of the Jamhuuriyada and not the interest of 'we reer hebel, mr. Riyaale is good for us, and Silaanyo hails from the clan which we fought against during SL civil wars'. That is probably the messege he is sending. It's not well timed, but hey it's not that bad of timing either. It's time to think more Somalilandernimo rather than reer hebelnimo. Rather than which man benefits my little clan more, this major beel should invest in a leader that will do more for the benefit the whole region rather than one sub clan. BTW....I hope Nayruus is reading this, since he was saying Silaanyo was under house arrest and that he couldn't even visit his hometown.

Originally posted by The Duke: All those people for the governemnt, nice That is why it's easier to avoid having any discussions with you, man are you serious?

Right on, not Saafi Abdi but to mr. Khalaf, briliant!.

If someone has no shame and distorting everything, I think it would be hard for any to argue against he/she just because they will not take any points in nor will they process anything logical. The Simple case with Duke. How the TFG started and what it has become are very different. The TFG started just like any other numerous past somali reconciliation to create transitional government. However it has become the hated transitional government, because it has more connections with foreigners and the few stooges that headed have shown that they are not really here to serve anyone but grap power by the horn through using foreign powers to fight for them and in exachange be under their complete influence. That is not respectable government if you ask anyone. A respectable entity should be hearing the voices of its own people, it should be working to gain the trust of its own people, much like the UIC did, rather than dragging armies from neighboring country to slaughtered their people in order to bring them to submission and in order to recongise the existance of a 'government'. That is what we have problem not the actual foundation of the TFG.

oh God it shows from their faces....alow fool xumo diinta ma ogala baxday buu yidh ninkii jiray.

lol@ MMA, It's really sad if we are expecting recogntion from Ethiopia. They can't even get their own act together. I can't wait until Riyaale and his Udub kalaab are taken out and new leadership without Ethiopian influence in implemented. We don't need anything for the filth state.

Originally posted by Puuja: banning qat didn't stop the many people spending 50-80 dollars every weekend on this stimula Note: It's illegal in the States, but actually legal in the UK, where mr. me resides .

It's no brainer.

Xanthus , Dear you made one huge mistake which I hoped you would never make. I don't if you can recall but I and some other nomads reminded you that whenever you are going back home, your mind should be cleared of everything that you had in London or any luxury you experienced while being away from home. You should have instead gone with the mind set, that this is a country and its people whom have gone through devastating civil wars for many years, who have no help from outside except what we provide them with. You should have focused on teh peace, and the way people are getting along. However you simply went on to compare Apples and Oranges. The Airplanes aren't the same offcourse, the roads aren't as nicely paved as London or whereever you live. The people aren't as 'good' looking as those who are drinking the casiir abroad. This my dear friend should have been your mind set. Above all, you should have gone with the mind set that this is your home, where from generations to generations have grown and called home, this is where the name of your ethnicity comes from, Soomaliyad. Too bad, you have already gone there unprepaired, I just hope your next attempt goes smoothly and without so much negativity. Good luck next time around and may you return safe and ' normal' back to luxurious life in London. Amiin.

Uff...useless *******.

Gordon Gekko, It's not clear whether or not these men did the crime, the Somaliland judicial system is something taht I have no full confidence of, therefore the dismisal of these perhaps wrongly convicted is good news. The UIC on the other hand excuted or would have those SEEN doing the crime itself, which is according to Islam. Capital Punishment is part of the Islamic law, therefore nothing wrong with it. As for Peacenow, he CAN support a movement like the UIC, yet he can oppose it or disagree with it in some ways, that is how the world works mr. Gekko, so expand your mind dude.

The farms look great and the geel are amazing!

The Duke, Well Puntland prove itself to be very vunrable and weak, because they were overtaken by those 'strange looking folks' rather easiyl and they shouted 'terrorists'. STRANGE= something not normal, so I have to ask did these 'strange looking creatues' had three legs or where they crawling, how did they determined how they looked exactly, unless you could tell their physical appearance was different and that they had more uncommon body parts.