Boring..

^loooooooooooooooooooool.

^then how come you can't have your way with them. how come they keep chasing the Ethiopian stooges all over Xamar and in the country side every day and time. How come the TFG hasn't been able to muster a force to oppose them to this day? They have killed thousands and thousands of Ethiopian soldiers and hundreds of their lucky's mostly from Mudug and they are still kicking to this day. They are the ones who give hell to your uncle, they are the reason he can't seem to attain his dreams of being a 'somali president' someday. They constantly attack him even on his way to the airport. The old man is stressed out and under 24/7 armed guide via the Ethiopians, the AU forces. If they didnt' matter the Americans wouldn't have their navy in somalia, they wouldn't have put them on the so call 'terrorist list'. Now would they duke?

Only the reasonable understand, the unreasobles don't. Baashi, Xiin faniin would like to see TFG led by their uncle stay. That is the truth unfortunately.

The X'man and Baashi both want to see the TFG stay as the legit government for Somalia. However any chance they might have had with the population has been washed away by their criminal activities such inviting an enemy that has commited grave human rights violation against the somali people, either killing them or forcing them out of their homes. That is the sort of 'government' that the X'man and Baashi want people to give a chance and believe in. The TFG is a criminal enterprise that needs to be dealt with anyway possible.

Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by Baashi: Name one reasonable and practical thing that should be done in order to bring them to the peace process dirrin ? Sophist awoowe think through on this one. Pardon the interception. Don't make this seem like mission impossible. Public pronouncements of "we will not negotiate until..." are made all the time by different parties. Yet, backdoor, unofficial, secret and informal meetings occur all the time. To have no backdoor talks with the Shabaab is disastrous. The Shabaab are not interested in grandstand conferences in 5 star hotels. They have one request, namely the Ethiopians exiting the country. Meet them half way. Order the Ethiopians out of major population centers and force the Shabaab to make the next move. This stalemate is killing us awoowe. Very very reasonable way to put it Castro. I hope these 'isla saxaanayaal' in here understand anything reasonable. Peace talks with someone who has no control to change the dynamics will simply result in nothing. If you want talks, half way as Castro said, attended by both parties in driver seats. Yes drop the 'war on terror logo' and adress the human rights violation commited by the parties concern. Wonderful article sxb.

Tolka, ku noqo markale halkaas bal abti.

haaahha NG dadkii wuu ka qaylisiiyey wallee. Funny man.

The snm freedom fighters were based in Baligubadle according to the man himself. watch the vidoe and stop asking silly question.

I saw this on tv the other day and I think it might be some help to you all. http://www.fitsugar.com/114565 Good luck guys and keep it up(read: down)

^come on, didn't u see how many rebounds KG pulled down? he was the defensive player of the year as well all nba first team. Ray Allen also went nuts in that final quarter, i like his sweet stroke. Ray Allen should have been the MVP, because he was their leading scorer. ps. convince me che, what so special about Boston that I can look forward to. Yes sunny day at Fenway park might be nice, but what else?

haa sxb waa sidaas. Gabadhu siyaasad iyo waxaas ma dhex gasho. Waa iska daacad Ilaahay.

What is up with Boston taking all the best Minnesota players? 1. Randy Moss traded to Patriots, he almost won the super bowl. 2. Kevin Garnett spent more than 10 years in Minnesota, never won a playoff series except only one time. Traded to Boston and is a champion today. 3. David Ortiz and Doug Menkayvich(hard to spell) played for Minnesota twins, traded to the red sox, won 2 championships. 4. AJ Perzynki to white sox, won a champtionship. We also traded Johan Santana to New York and Torii Hunter to LA Angels. We have lost so many good players over the years. ps. I am starting to think that the new cursed town is Minneapolis.

The X'man got it wrong this time. He views poeple living abroad as people who could careless. THat is bunch of bull. Actually the people who have it bad are the ones who are abroad, they don't sleep well at night as a result of turmoil in their country.

^loool. You are funny one indeed. What is wrong with working with Ziyad barre? I thought he was somali president and that all the men and women with brains worked with him(not for him) to better the country The issue came post '77 war and that is when things hit rock bottom. He turned on his poeple and took his country to a dangerous path; Qabilism. That was was ultimately cost him. Che, lool.. Saaxib, am just honoring the man who passed away. Dhusamareeb is his hometown innit?

Originally posted by Baashi: Kashafa our resident Kelligii Muslim , Awoowe the reason the courts offensive is a war of choice is they said so. They vacated Mogadishu when Tigre merceneries and their guides approached the city. The reason they did that according to their spokesman at the time is because they wanted to spare maatada . Somehwere along the way, they discarded that moral principle -- maatada in loo turo . Both you and the X'man are looking things from the prespective of the oppressors(U.S, Ethiopia and thier lacky' the TFG) and not the oppressed(the somali people). Firstly, there was no choice on the table for the Islamic courts union which said they should either fight the EThiopians and their lackeys or they should keep the hard won peace in Muqdisho. They had to fight when they were invaded and the enemy armed to the teeth was regrouping and planning an attack to force them out of the country. The U.S intellegence as well the Ethiopian army all had a plan from the getgo, because we have all seen how the U.S invovlement bcame apparent almost instantly, that wouldn't have happen unless there was some pre war planning while the ICU were still in Muqdisho. This came when the so call alliance against terrorists funded by the U.S failed in Muqdisho, that's when the U.S switched its sides and focus over to find another way to topple and disrupt what they viewed as radical Islamists getting grip on the country. To them this was a huge threat, that is why they turned their support to the equally corrupt TFG as well, and knowing that TFG didn't have the capibilit to combat the ever growing strenght of the ICU, they found another way to fight what they deemed as radical Islamists on the rise in the horn. And what a better way to combat them somalia' arch rival and cheap money collecting with terrible track record of human rights violation, the Addis Ababa regime. They helped them with the war planing, so while we were saying the ICU is doing great job in Xamar, they were massing troops along the border until finally reports came of eye witness spoting Ethiopion army being in the country. They were the aggressors, they were obstacle to peace from the U.S, to EThiopia and TFG, they are the reason peace hasn't prevailed. But that is history at the moment, so let us come back to the moment. I am afraid both you and the x'man have been fed and pursuaded to believe those who are an obstacle course to any peace are the Alshabaab and other fighters in Somalia. If any agreement is gonna be agreed upon which can result some type of positive outcome, they surely things have to be looked from neutral prespective. Which critizes both sides and demands responsibility to be taken by both sides as what has happened in somalia. Nay that is not what happened in Djabuuti. The Islamic courts are made to be the aggressors, the ones responsible for all of this, while the occupation, the human rights violations hasn't been mentioned. It seems as though, they are sending the signal that Ethiopias' involvement in Somalia is legitimate(though not a single AU nation authorized it). A better way to have done this would have been to call each spade a spade. To recognize the fault of the ethipian regime, to recognize the gross human rights violantion it has commited. To tell the somali people(because this is about the somali people remember) that what has happen to them is unfortunate and that Al shabaab must stop the war on invading forces, because the occupation which they are fighting against will be uplifted. But hold on brother that wasn't the case. Ethiopian and the TFG didn't come to the table with sincerity, remember the peace agreement is regarding the Somali people and their future, the TFG claims to represent them, yet you all expect the freedom fighters to make all the sacrifices to this agreeement and except what they are told to except, while the TFG and their allies are made to be the legitimate parties involved. This agreement wasn't fair and the good sheekh out of sincereity signed it, but sorry to say that he was cheated on this, and that is the truth.

Allee lahee sifican bay yeelen reer Somaliland. Soo dhaweeya ninka oo caleemo saara walibana. taariikhda baal dahab ah ayuu kaga jira, and surely reer somaliland maysan ilaawin wixii abaal ugalay.

^^^Ninyow relax bal horta oo wax waydii dadka intaanad 'iska nicin' cidna. The sister has been after this for a while. She has been collecting information about somaliland. She needs people from that area to participate, it has nothing to do with politics. If you were born there and now living in the UK, then I think you can participate. Oodwayne sxb, I was one of the first ones to contact her cuz I like that girl, but she told me you have to be in the UK to partipate and I am not. Ibtisam, Dont' forget mr. me and Valenteenah too, they qualify.

Che, Ignore that stuff sxb. I hear those things everyday from both sides. Name calling, qabiil bashing is all too common these days. But the point of the thread is to look beyond the callers, but rather the interview of Siilaanyo. It's some histroy what he says isnt' it? The dude can talk though and he does make alot of sense that is why I am hoping he becomes the next President of the Jamhuriyada Maandeeq.

^am the opposite.

http://www.tvsomalilandeurope.net/_tvsle/movies/31May.wmv

Sidii roon rabaa og. Can we leave it at that.

Thanks both. But my computer has already been affected, so something that can remove it would be nice. The first one didn't work and the second is for future protection only. It doesn't do much against existing virus.

i made you look bad there nuune. cidlaan kudiray. Behold my new SOL nick. :cool:

He who? lool