^^^Adeer the Sayyid is important part of our history, but he is just a part of it. You have yet to mention others that have contributed as well such as Igal, Garaad Abdiqani, and other bright political figures and leaders. dadkuna madiidana Zayiidka iyo muhiimadiisa laakin june 26, 1960 should be credited largely, to Igal, Garaad Abdiqani and the SNL. The time period between 1900-1920 is the great Zayyid's era.

Magaalo madax: Baligubadale, HAWD. DAAWO SAWIRADA. http://hadhwanaag.org/home/page21.html

Masha Allah. Allahu Akbar.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^The irony in this is folks who are complaining about Riyaale's Jabbuuti trip were clapping for his summon to Addis! Total lie. What did Siilaanyo say about Ethiopia's invovlement in Somalia? go ahead tell us ninyow.

loool@this topic. Without questioning the legacy of the Zayid Abdalle Hassan, I highly think this post is an act of desperation to try to take away credit from others and give to another. Sure enough, the Sayid, May Allah bless his soul did fight The British and their presence in Somaliland 'til the year 1920 period. The british occupiers outpowered the wadaad unfortunately, but the connection of the event of June 26th, 1960 to what happened 40yrs prior to that is totally misleading info to feed to the crowd. Anyone who knows little about somali history and reading this thread would assume the Zayyid chased out the British in 1960. But I think most of us are informed enough not to buy this poorly put-together history lesson. nevertheless Allah yaa raxma Zayidka.

Koora Tuunshe, You call yourself to be from Sanag and yet you can't tell the beauty of Caal Madow mountain range from deserted areas like these. Waar ninyow isku xishood meesha rag rer sanaga ayaa kula jooga.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Here’s where your stance is not so clear. 1- You support Jabbuuti Agreement in principle? 2- You oppose it and think opposition groups has been cheated because: a. Alshabaab has not been included? I think only unreasonable individual would oppose legitimate and reasonable agreement. I offcourse welcome any sort of peace making deal that can bring an end to this voilence in somalia. However it has to be reasonable and we have to know exactly what kinda deal we are getting into. What The Djabtuuti conference didnt' address was the gross human righs voilations, didn't address the illeagality of the invasion. And certainly didn't mention Al shabaab as an opposition group but rather 'a terror' organization, while The Ethiopian invasion the TFG are supposedly a legitimate parties who are at odds with insurgents, who have no rights to oppose. As much as this satifies the TFG/Ethiopians, it has allienated the freedom fighters in Somalia resulting in turning down and dismissing the 'agreement' as irrelevent to them. Why? Does that mean they don't want peace, does that mean they wouldnt' like to see somalia' long standing stateless status come to an end? offcourse not. They want peace and nationhood just like everyone else, but however they refuse to take hand-outs and to be given a chosen path for them. b. Solid timetable of Ethiopia’s withdrawal has not been reached? Not really. The article didnt' guarantee anything and has only lightly scanned through a 120 days withdrawal deadline only with the replacement of peace keeping force. We all know how much the international community has struggled to muster or put together viable force to be sent to Somalia. I very much doubt that they will be able to pull that off. But who am to be skeptical right? The freedom fighters in Somalia have made their stance clear to us all that they will not hold their fire until all of Ethiopian troops withdraw from the country. The TFG and their backers find those sentiments unreasonable so I say Ok, their must be a middle ground. that Both the TFG can except. Both the TFG and the freedom fighters must abandon some of their positions. The TFG must be ready to make sacrifices if they are willing to reach peaceful deals. The Al shabaab on the other hand can be negogiated to except the deployment of outside forces. For any sort of peace to have a chance both parties must be willing to make bold moves and radical changes to their policies. --TFG must except this in my opinion: Relocate back to Baydhabo. --Ethiopian troops must also relocate along with them, thus leaving Muqdisho in the hands of the freedom fighters. Al shabaab or other freedom fighters must: Hold their fire, and must be ready to abandon their stance on foreign forces. Foreign peacekeepers must be as i stated before from non neighboring countries, must be clear from whom they their orders from, and display discipline and non partisan approach to Somalia' fragile political state. It must be clear on when they will leave as well. their operations must be limited to only security purposes and not any other sort of war on 'terror' nonsense. This is only part of being fair deal. However the TFG/Ethiopia to be granted all that they wished, and to expect any changes to the stances of the Al shabaab is totally redicolous. it's sort of saying we have invaded your country, killed your people, and now we expect you to except any 'peace' deal that I design for thee. It's hasn't worked for us, but only works to the favore of the invaders.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: I just found out something that put grin on my face :cool: what is it che?

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^I could play Aqwaan war ninkan yaanaga qabsada?

loool this is funny stuff. Jacaylbaro, He was American idol runner-up. Is he gay horta dadow?

People can change that is ok saaxib. You were TFG supporter, if you are still are then I need to prove anything. If however you have got a hold of yourself then good for you. But please don't make off the mark comments about things that you dont' know. Ilahay kabaqo adna oo ha inabin. Qof Muslim ah oo walalka ah hadii aad necebtay inaad dhibtiisa aragto maxay kulatay ana?

Originally posted by me: Laba wajiile waaxid. Wakhti lumis un ayee ka shaqeeyaan. Soomaalida runta ah wey barteen sida laba wajiilayaashani u shaqeeyaan. I assume you are speaking to me? I believe people are either here or there, wax dhex dhaxaad ah majiraan. Because the middle is no where or a position to be. An oppurtunist is a one who stays on the sidelines waiting just for the right moment to cash in. That is very specific defination of you. No matter how many times you cry somaliwayne, you haven't been much of a factor in discussing somalia's invasion. Yo have simply kept quite until your favorite subject is raised, somaliland and Siyad Barre. loool....how can anyone in their right mind consider you to be a man of sincereity? I personally don't.

Originally posted by Dabshid: What will happen to these secessionists when peace comes to the Somalis in South? What happens to them after Somalia remerges? Many Secessionists like Red-sea have to be in a suicide watch . Alla maxa calool xanuun ay ku tahay in Soomaali heshiiso, Secessionists are no different those warlords who held Somalis hostage in the South for 18 Years,so I tell these opportunists , be scared, peace is finally coming to Somalia. Dabshid, I like how you come here freely, unquestioned and checked. If I can recall it was the year of 2006 that somalia had finally seen peace after more than 15 years of clan warfare. Can you tell the world how I reacted, and how YOU reacted to that event? Adeer you shouldn't be mouthing off any longer, after all everything you said is kept and one click to the research button is all I need to prove it to you. let us just say You were not very proud of that peace in Xamar,while yeah Red sea was. Hakugu taagnato. fake unionist loomaa baahne ee meesha ka laab-laabo intaanad ku ceebobin.

Adeer Brofessor, Postkaygii hore wuxuu kahadlayey in aan kahadli karo arimaha somalia anoo kasoo jeeda somaliland oo seccesionist ah on a level of somaliness, Muslimnimo and bina'dnimo. Anyhow nin ayaan invite ee maxaa kuhaya ee afka kaa falay? Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Q1: Do you consider Ethiopia’s influence is limited to South Somalia? [ Nope, There is no doubt about whatsoever in anyone's mind that Ethiopia has big influence in almost every somali inhabited region. Whether they are militarily active in areas or simply having a political influence over the others. There is no one that can deny that to simply put. If you answer no, and think entire Somali republic, as it stands today, falls in Ethiopia’s sphere of influence and she has succeeded to put puppet regimes in place based on Somali divisions, please tell us what approach you think would be suitable to change our (notice the plural) current situation. Would you reckon, for instance, that we can fight Ethiopia and the powers that support her without first doing away our divisions? Horta marka hore "gacmo wadajir bay wax ku gooyaan. " is a suitable proverb in here. I believe somalis need to unite against this common enemy, face it with all that they have whether it may be their souls, money, energy and all the talent they could muster. It's a dream of mine that I would love to see all somali regions starting from Jabuuti, Somaliland, Puntland, somali galbeed all get involved seemingly to help their brothers who are being suppresed at this time. That would do wonders if it happened. Unfortunately, the reality on the ground paints a different picture. Today's war is a war based on MABDA', idealogies and beliefs. It's war that unites strangers and disunites common faces. You have for instance Abdullahi Yusuf, Nur Cadde, Ismail Hurre 'buubaa' and on the other hand you have Sheekh Sharif Ahmed, Dahir Aweys, Abu Mansuur and Mohamed Jama Qalib. Some of these on the oppossing ends are from the same sub clan such as Qaalib and Buubaa, Sharif Ahmed and Nur Cade. This is no longer a war along qabiil lines, but war along idealogies and mabda'. I can sit here with my wishful thinking and agree with you and say that Somalis should unite and hold hands in this quest to oust Abysinia from Somalia, but then again that would only be viable in my dream not in the reality as we live in. So even if let us say somaliland didnt' even declared its soveirnty and it was simply a region much like Puntland it would not have changed much of what is going on today. Having one common flag, doesnt' define unity. However what defines unity is having 1 common interest as people, one common enemy to combat, and a destiny that a nation strives to fulfil. If Somalis from Puntland and somalis from Muqdisho don't have a common interest (speaking of majority prespective) then I don't see how adding somaliland to the mix would change those dynamics or the outcome. Something more than uniting adminstrations needs to happen in order for one to notice a real change of attitude with the somali people. What needs to happen, that mabda that we talked about needs to come together. People from as far as Djabuuti without endorsing the blue flag need to stimulously be seen defending the blue turf and same goes to Somaliland. How do we fight Ethiopia? I believe to defeat Ethiopia we need both long term and short strategies. So far Ethiopia has been fought gallantly by our young boys May God bless their souls. As much of sacrifices that they have made, and as much as much of casualties that the enemy has endured peace seems to be far fetched. Let me make it clear once again, I tip my hats off to those that stood up and answered the call for their nation and fought an invisible and powerful enemy and contineu to refuse to give in to this day. However I believe and I have always been open to any path to be taken to seek salvation out of this mess that has continued into the new century. My short- term plans that I would like to see is: Firstly, the international community whether it might the UN, Arab league, AU and all others invovled to first acknowledge that somalia is been contested by two opposing sides. they must not take sides or point the fingers. They must be fair and straight forward with the somali people. What do I mean about all of this? 1. Both parties have to be critized for the ongoing voilence equally. 2. The gross human rights violations have to be announced openly. They must assure the somali people that the international community is serious in accusing(that is the least they can do) those who have commited crimes against them. 3. They must listen to the wants and the reasons voiced by the Al shabaab group. they must consider a way to mediate fairly without giving neither side the upper hand over the other. 4. They must reconsider the 'terrorist label' that has been thrown around. They accuse Al shabaab of terror activities, yet legitimize the TFG and Ethiopia' invasion and to be expecting any sort peaceful outcome. I believe if the international community can assert itself and not back paddle from the truth then I am pretty sure Al shabab, the somali people will find their negotiotion lenses and be willing to negotiate peacefully. long-term plans: I think at the end peacekeeping forces shall be excepted. The somali people deserve the right to know. -where these peacekeeping forces are coming from -Who is commanding them. -Whether their deployment is to 'secure the government' or whether it's to secure peace that is needed. -Their timetable: Both deployment and when they will leave. Right now, the agreement signed in Djabuti isn't a promising one. Only one party got what it wanted, and the other has not been even consider as legitimate oppostion group. they have been cheated and their requests havent been taking seriously. The human rights haven't been mentioned. Nor has there been any feasible promise of Ethiopian forces withdrawing from the country. The agreement should have read that the somali people have voiced that Ethiopia must withdraw from Somalia quickly and politely and have excepted the conditions of replacement peacekeeping forces. Is that too much to ask horta? ps. The mentioned noble goal, which I think you are refering to somali unity will only come when each region's inhabitants have the same idealogies. Which is to have one destiny, and one common interest. Right now, you have the TFG, it's not Somalilanders best interest. you have Al shabaab, its' not TFG supporters best interests as they put it and so and and so forth. The people's minds have to be first united, before you can even think of uniting flags and regimes. Allah knows best.

Originally posted by Dabshid: Secessionists and Unionist can NOT co-exist, they are simply the positive of each other, I know some Secessionists who celebrate as they see South going in flames. So which one are you? Haye Dabshid, didn' read my post huh did you? I gues it didn't sink in quite well. I am certainly not one to celebrate of the suffering of other people. The only ones that have been found or exposed if any in this boards to celebrate when things are their worst are the TFG backers such as you. You haven't yet admited that crimes are being commited, and that TFG is not legit government since it has commited trecherous crimes. If you come out with that, then certainly you can be taken seriously around here once again. if not sidee wax ii su'aali kartaaba. Xiin faniin, maxaa iskaga shan iyo toban ah waxaad isku wadid. What is happening in southern somalia is wrong. Al shabaab is right to combat Ethiopian forces and its TFG lackeys. that is an opinion shared by majority of somalis from any region. As far seccession, it will wait when somalia has a legit government then round table discussion will be away to discuss it, while Muqdisho is occupied those sort of things should be left in the back burner and how to rid the TFG and thier helpers should be top issue here.

What fitna walal peacaction?

Hello there Xiin Faniin, I want to apologize right off the bat here for not being able to see those q you've posted in the other thread earlier. Now, my post wasn't a emotionally motivated, however it raised few points as to why a fellow somali from any region outside southern somalia can't seem to take part in a open dialogue regarding the occupation. Or whether or not one needs to be pro somaliwayne, pro somaliland, from Jabuuti and somali galbeed to condemn what is immoral and out right wrong. Let us first call this occupation of what it is, outright illegal. Since there is no denial that is the case I believe anyone regardless of their regional background or political affliation must feel free to voice their concerns of the increasing human rights violations. That is when not speaking as Muslim, Somali, but as Human being let along being a Muslimsomali seeing the voilence. I was in support for ICU when it was stronger, more popular and when even some of its members made threats against somaliland. Now if my support for them wasnt' out of conviction surely you would have seen me switch sides.(You know who I am talking about) I believe I have been seen only handful of folks around here who haven't changed the tune when things didn't seem to go as they hoped. Nay, I will continue to support the Al shabaab many months to come Insha Allah. Morever, whether the indepence of Somaliland has anything to do with what is happening in the south, i very much doubt it. Somaliland's does have very romantic relations with Ethiopia, as much as I am bothered by the fact that Rayaale kahin cheered for Ethiopia on their 'victory march to xamar' I cannot put it on the same level as the TFG, because they are not comparable. Somaliland has words to support Ethiopia, however never done anything like the TFG. I take the tie between somaliland's seperatist voyage and Ethiopia's invasion as a desperate one just so to call me a hypocrit with double agenda in order to exclude me from the discussion. offcourse I will not bite that, but I think it needs to be noted here. I believe I have as much of right to discuss southern somalia's affairs as a Puntlander. Ethiopia gets more support from Puntland because of its close proximity to Southern Somalia, however at the same time folks such as you, and many others continue to oppose the TFG and its agenda for most of the time. No one asks you to do something about it or asks you as to why your home region continue to support the enemy, now that would stup1d. Because you are simply an individual who has his own words to speak of and opposes what YOu think is wrong. However to deny Ceyrowjr. that same liberty is a double standard itself. I am always in opposition to the wrong doer regardless of who they are. A simple question: If Al shabaab oppose anything somaliland, and I myself am from somaliland. Then is that a convient for me or I am telling the truth and this is about conviction? Bal dadoo you tell me. Second question: Again, it stands, why does it matter where one is from to voice his opposition to anything. Heck you are from Puntland yet here you are, why can't that happen for me or other here?

Originally posted by Ibtisam: I don't understand, how someone who has deserted their families and home towns is good news?? :confused: It means they have no loyalty, and you should never rely on someone with no loyal, when push comes to shove, they will only end up wasting your time and hoosasis. They are only looking after their interest, if PL offered them a better deal, they will be gone within a day. Easy come, easy go. I don't think they should be rewarded with positions and wages. Instead they should be sent back to police the streets of their home towns. loool...you mean like 'ka dhex-toos'? But these are SOOL, SANAAG natives not Gorowe or Galkacayo natives. So basically they are back home now.

That is one big community.

Allah yaa raxma wadadka.

dhulqarnay, dhuusomareeb waa meesha diintu uga timid somalida iyo waaliduba, ma ogidoo? blessedMuslimah, educational purpose.....

Che, imagine if I were non Muslim and I asked those questions asking you to prove to me that Allah/GOD exists. They are not that tricky really. Shaken and detered, You have amazed walal. that is wonderful. Great. This sort of proof is call al caqiida which is a believe. The process of a believe is: #1. Thinking: We think about it, self evaluate all the elements involved. Make reasonable judgement. Believe: (Al caqiida) we start to either like that judgment and believe in it or reject it. Action: After we believe in our hearts what we have discovered in our mindset, we start to act upon that and feed off of it. This could be good or bad. Every single action on this planet follows through this patern. Whether it's theives stealing, players playing all, or prayers praying. We pray because we love Allah, we know HE is in charge of the heavens(this is after we've seen all the signs of the universe, examples before thee)and started to believe. then we start to acct uppon our believes which points us to love Allah. So when we do pray, fast, fight, out of love for Allah then we know we are true believers. If we pray, because we have been told so or expected to do so, then we are not there quite yet. A true believer loves the Prophet peace be upon him more than him/herself, his ideals, principles, parents etc until then we are not complete believers. This sort of things is called al caqiida.

Reer Minnesota should get together.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: i love how Somalis like to be the first Somali anything. for the record, i am the first Somali walker. waar ninyow nin xanaaqsan ayaad tahay. Ma qosle abu lugeeye ayan ku bixiyey.

Why do we pray? Why do we fast? why do we do all the things that are Islmic? Do we do it, cuz we have been told to do so, or do we do it for other reasons? Al jawaabu cindakum.