Originally posted by General Duke: Castro adeer, what did Mr Red Sea say to you the other day. Insignificant clan who's leader is a hostage to his. I didn't say that saaxib. So stop miquoting me. I specifically siad when it came to reer Awdal who are pro somaliland and those against it, the majority are pro somaliland, hene few meaning not the majority. Has nothing to do with qabil. :rolleyes:

Keep trying there. I promise you Somaliland is resiliant and determined. Little riots here and there dont' sum up to be total collapse. What world do you live my man? ps. I am glad we were kicked out from Laas Qorey. Finally Pland can claim to have 'chased' anyone.

lool@looters and seccesionists eheehe... 7000 you say. Well again as I said, more dead men walking.

JB is doing allright yow. He is little busy these days.

Mr. Noah, Yeah blame the President for removing the equipment before it finished its job. Besides, the rig was taken from Southern Hargeysa resided by mix of clans including those from baligubadle, where the rig ended up.

Originally posted by General Duke: I agree with Peace now no more insults. As for war, talking of it is defeatest. We will clean up Somalia lads. From Zaylac to Kismayu. Its a matter of priorities and timing. How are you gonna manage to do that?

Good more puppets for Alshabaab to feast on.

Castro, Saaxib runta maxaad usheegi wayday. Somaliland iyo qabiil halka ay kala joogaan waad ogtahay maanta. Every region in somaliland is governmened by its inhabitants. It's little disrespectful to the ppl of respective region to say they are being held hostage or at gun point against their will. That is just not the truth. Suldaans of so call major clans are being thrown in mandheera prison by Rayaale Kahin yet there were no violent reaction to that. Clanism is almost becoming non existance in most parts of somaliland.

The gas prices are high here, the dollar is at all time low. Does that change your mind about this country?

Unknown1, saaxib yes I do. May God bless them and make their victory speedy one Insha Allah.

Originally posted by Ace of Spadez: NGONGE, I think you're being too generous for assuming the likes of XiinFiniin can see the obviousness of the situation at hand. Maybe its because you are an arab, but for the rest of us Somalis, Nin ay meeli u caddahay meeli ka madow. You only come across as an insane person trying to fill up a vessel that has a hole at the bottom. For starters XiinFiniin can't tell reality from his preceptions on how things ought to be. Case in point "What SL wants or desires which is to secede does not change the reality on that ground that SL is a part of Somalia." He fails to understand, the real reality on the ground is Somaliland a) is not a secessionist state, and b) it is in fact a defacto sovereign state. On the ground that's the reality. The fact that Republic of Somaliland is still part of the failed state of Somalia on paper as it were, since there is no dejure recognition does not negate the fact Somaliland behaves and functions as a sovereign state in its six regional capitals. That is the reality on the ground, the physical, tangible, substantive reality that XiinFiniin cannot grasp for whatever reason. Second, only XiinFiniin and people who cannot see beyond what they want to see, cannot fathom the grand canyon size difference from Somaliland and the substates of Somalia Proper, be it Hiiraanland or Puntland. The very premise these political entities exist, are TEMPORARY. In their inherent design, they are to be "KU MEEL GAADH" ie, transitionary. If as we would all like, as Somalis and good neighbours, and Somalia Proper was to reconstitute its soveriegnty and wrestle it away from Ethiopia's clutches, all of these substates will dissapear. It is not because the people of these substates are incapable, its because of the nature of the states. They were to be a form of organization while the "Qaran" is put back together. Once the said "Qaran" is reconstituted, they have served their purpose and are no longer relavent. Somaliland's sovereignty on the other hand is permanent, whether dejure recognition is granted or not, but the premise is a permanent solution. That is why, we the citizens of Somaliland are more concerned with the SYSTEM, rather than the PERSON leading the massess. This is what NGONGE is talking about when he says, Somaliland albeit slowly, is going from strength to strenght, as it builds up its institutions and continues on its NATION BUILDING. There is no nation building going on in Somalia Proper, whether you call it puntland or gedoland or bayland. If you took the blinkers off XiinFiniin, maybe it is the idea that Somaliland is a VIABLE PERMANENT SOLUTION that is bringing in those in the eastern regions that like any calculated human being want a way out of this mess and this failed status, failed union, failed hopes and dreams. Just maybe, people are evolving to be less clanish in nature, and more about their interests, but I wont expect you to understand. You always see things from a tribal prism. Even the news of the defection of soldeirs who hail from Garowe, to Somaliland wont change your views. You only see things as they are, and there is no other alternative answer. Puntland crumbling under its own weight because its very nature was temporary and everything is about the immediate future, and who is going to lead, and who is going to profit while it still exists, doesn't even register with you. NGONGE, be weary those that like to change the debate when the original debate has been quashed. The issue was about Awdal, and I'm sure you put that issue to rest. Now we have, another argument all together, and how Somaliland will not, shall not, ought not dare look after its interest... Beautifully written saaxib.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Fact4—Contrary to your assertion, SL is not treated as a sovereign state (name one country…and please don’t hazard to cite Ethiopia’s envoy in Hargeysa for Ethiopia’s relationship with SL in particular and with Somalia in general is known). The UN. They deal directly with Somaliland. They dont' go through the TFG.

Somaliland is missing one piece from being full blown self dependant nation. That piece is leadership. With good leaders, comes reliable government that invests back every shilling back into the country. Somaliland has more than enough resources to build better health instutions, social programs. To improve its economy, discipline its police force and better train and equip its defense forces. I believe that is just what is missing from the puzzle. The cities of Hargeysa, Burco were destroyed almost entirely, when people returned from the refugee camps, they managed to rebuilt both cities almost entirely within a period of 5 years. With that type of hardwork, dedication and resiliance; anything is possible. PPL here put so much emphasis on recogntion. They argue as though having a UN seat will result in putting bread on the table. If you look at the whole AFrican continent,as well as many Asian , South American countries who hold membership in the UN but at the same time struggle to feed their population. Some are downright war zones, some are choatic, plagued by diseases and poverty, case in point, Somalia. I personally believe if somaliland can manage to have a good leadership that can give its citizens healthy, happy and productive life, then recognition can be absent as much as it like. At the end of the day, its' about the people, if the people are happy, the nation is striving and firing from all cyclinders then having a seat in the UN general assembly doesnt mean a taboo. Folks argue constantly that somaliland's dream can't be attained. That somalilanders are delusional brainwashed lads. well I wonder what does it take to being realist? -Mostly, they argue somaliland having no recognition= dulision, its people are dreamers. Yet they fail to look at many examples of nations who have recognition yet struggle to acquiring the basic necesaties in life.

This guy took this whole place by storm. weeerar cir iyo dhul, bad iyo bari ah ayuu wadaa. Ha la iska qabto. lol

Somaliland Presidential election date set Written by Qaran news Jul 10, 2008 at 08:58 PM 10 july Hargeisa- (Qaran news); The Chair of the Somaliland National Elections Commission, Mudane Mohamed Ismail Mohamed has formally confirmed the date of the Somaliland Presidential elections in 2009. Speaking to the media at the offices of the National Elections Commission in Hargeisa, Mudane Mohamed Ismail stated that voting will take place on the 29th of March 2009. Mudane Mohamed Ismail stated that all three Somaliland parties have welcomed the timetable for the elections recently agreed during a tri-party meeting in June. Source: Qaran news

^fair enough. This is Sheekh Ibn Ahmed. Maydh, Sanaag. ...millions also trace their backgrounds to him.

Qabiil is against site rules. You are trying to cheat the system by redircting qabiil based articles. MMA needs to act.

I like macawis. I wear it at home most of the time.

^ :)exactly my point sxb. Well put. Dadkii gaalada ahaa iska daa Muslim ayaa Somaliland iyo habka ay ukala danbayso layaabay oo leh waa in ay 'Africa oo idil ku dayataa somaliland'. Somaalina waatan lagu imtaxaamay cay, critism aan sal iyo raad lahayn. I just hope they get over themselves for one bit and except the fact that they are the lowest of all somalis, the laughing stock of the world and thus should be the last to critize anyone.

Allahu Aclam.~

Any girls in here good at beach volleyball?(:

Wasiirka Difaaca Somaliland oo Beeniyey in ciidamada Somaliland ka baxeen Laasqoray July 12th, 2008 Hargeysa (Somaliland.org) – Wasiirka Difaaca Somaliland, mudane Cabdillaahi Cali Ibraahim ayaa beeniyey war ay galabta baahisey Idaacadda BBC-da, laanta Afka Soomaaliga oo sheegay in ciidamada Somaliland ay ka baxeen degmada Laasqoray, dibna ugu guureen Ceerigaabo oo ay markii hore ka tageen. Wasiirka Gaashaandhigga oo caawa shir jaraa’id ku qabtay Gurigiisa magaalada Hargeysa, waxa uu sheegay in warkaasi uu yahay mid aanay waxba ka jirin oo uu yahay dacaayad cadowgu faafiyey. Waxana uu sheegay in ciidanka Somaliland ugu xoogga weyni ay joogaan bariga gobolka Sanaag, halkaana ay ku sugnaan doonaan. Buuraleyda degmada Laasqoray ayaa koox budhcad badeed ahi waxay ku haystaan lammaane Jarmal ah oo ay ka soo afduubeen dalka Yemen iyaga oo ku safrayey doonni kuwa dalxiiska ah. Waxaana halkaa ka socda dedaal dhinacyo kala duwan leh oo la doonayo in lagu soo furto lahaystayaashaas shisheeye, iyada oo odayaasha iyo waxgaradka deegaanku ay wadaan waanwaan iyo masaalaxo ay doonayaan inay ku siidaayaan dadkaa afduuban, halka ciidamada Somaliland jiiddaa ka wadaan dhaqdhaqaaqyo ujeedadoodu tahay inay xoog ku dayaan haddii ay suuragal noqoto ama loo maara-waayo budhcadda. Warkan wasiirku beeninayo waxa uu soo baxay kadib markii ilaa Khamiistii ay deegaanka Laasqoray gaadheen ciidamo laxaad leh oo Somaliland ah, kuwaas oo ka tegey Ceerigaabo, taasina ay keentay in maamulka Puntland uu isaguna soo abaabulay maleeshiyo ka soo horjeedda ciidamada Somaliland ee tegey deegaankaas. Waxana uu warkaasi sheegay in ciidamada Somaliland ay dib uga soo baxeen Laasqoray, kadib markii ay is khilaafeen maleeshiyo beeleed deegaankaas joogta. Wasiirku waxa uu sheegay in warkaas aanay waxba ka jirin, ciidamada Somaliland-na ay joogaan Laasqoray. Waxana uu ku eedeeyey maamulka Puntland inuu ka dambeeyey, qaybna ka yahay budhcad badeedda. Hase yeeshee, waxa uu xusay wasiirku in qorshaha ciidanku aanu ahayn inay xoog ku soo furtaan lahaystayaasha, isaga oo sheegay in ay socoto waanwaan la doonayo in lagu soo afjaro afduubka lammaanaha Jarmalka ah. Afduubayaasha oo ay ku jiraan rag ka soo jeeda deegaankaas Laasqoray oo ay ku muransan yihiin maamulkiisa Somaliland iyo Puntland ayaa la sheegay inay dalbanayaan lacag madax furasho ah oo dhan 1 Milyan oo Doollar. C/risaaq M. Dubbad, Somaliland.org, Hargeysa.

Trashy topic.

There once this funny gabay by Boon Hersi: Which he says something along these lines: ....Adoo Quraacan, qadana haysan, Hablaha Qurayshood, Qooraansigoodu, qaladba weeye. Cidla ka qaqooqow, adaa iska qooqee, maxaad ku qooqday. I think we all due respect to my fellas from the south, it seems they have priority problems. They luck understanding, and thoughtfullness when it comes to this issue. Their whole world is made of fairytale stories. If somalia gets on its feet again 'just imagine what somaliland will do'? oh no they didnt? Instead of sending good will messege that they are serious and honest about reunification, they dish out what seems to be a threat against somaliland. As though once they get their act together finally, they will be marching towards somaliland in bringing her to her knees in order to submit to century old dream that has shown every bit to be impossible to attain. I don't know about other landers, but I take all that as a threat and not welcoming sight at all. All another reason to brush up resty Klashnikov. Anyways, somaliland is set, 1 leadership regardless of how corrupt they are. Waa dad meel loogu hagaagi karo. But isn't it suprising someone who is struggling to work unity between themselves is trying to critize the unity or lack thereof in Somaliland? Funny eh. Nothing works like for mostly what I know of. Let us work on this hell hole (south) for now lads, leave somaliland as it is. Since it's best thing that has happenened to somalis post '91. :cool: ps. My suggestion is for you to rally behind alshabaab. Once the Ethiopians are defeated, then hopefully Alshabaab can bring the somalis in that region together, roconcile them under the shades of qudhac tree(equivilant to one we had in Burco), have them agree one thing, then come to the discussion table. Is that too much to ask from you ?

Originally posted by Paragon: Horaan u sheegay anigu. Meeye Red Sea? Waanu soo qabqabaneynaa adeer . I am still having a laugh about the statement you made that was funny one wallee. Anyways, it's not that important, but what is important is freeing those hostages.