^What a dog che is! She is not really that dumb. She just has been taken out of her confort zone here. Alaska ayey xaaraan ku haysatay laakin this is whole new world for her.

^Insha Allah Amiin. Dhulka, That last post suprisingly had some facts planted in it. While leaving the current status of somalia alone for a moment; how does Dhulqarnayn feel about Islamic sharica in somalia? Given the knowleadge you have shown bout Islamic history, the answer should be easy. Forget about whether we can or can't for sec. As hypothetical question would you be willing to except it if it showed up at your door steps?

um clever...

So 17 sano ee hore waa ka kac miyaa?

^Gheeli T. When i say somaliland, who springs to your mind....well that is who I addressed. Dabshid, You are a northerner right? well you must support your fellow somalis in the south. Do we have deal?

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: What if those Somalis you said are sleeping with the enemy have more men in the camp that you support? More men than they have in the "enemy camp." And they do. It's an actual fact. But only those who deserve to be rediculed are getting critized here walal. Not you not, not dadka wanaagsan. Nin alla ninkii xaqa fahansan isku qolaa nahay waana walaalkay afxumana iga mudna. Laakin dadkaan sheegayaa waa dadka sida Rayaale oo kale, Cade muse iwm..

Mahadsanid walaalkiis ii waran. Alxamdulilah abti. Iska waran adigu.

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: Red sea, to rally your tolka is not a bad idea at all. Your argument though has some holes brother. To point out some, you call some Somalis as hypocrites for not standing with the Shabaabs while you justify your tolka for doing the same. You call your tol "bystanders" and "isolationists" and added that you understand where they are coming from. If you really believe what this guys stand for as you asserted (muslinimo and somalinimo) then why can't you embrace that and drop this Land you so obsessed with. The blame on Somaliland is simply just that. Being bystanders and playing neutral. That itself is wrong and it's why I am protesting here.But some other somalis are guilt by actually aligning themselves with the enemy by fighting along the from the same trenches. That is not bystander or neutral, that is an direct commitment to help the enemy. Anyways I don't want to alienate some somalis by going on partisan babbling, so I will leave for you to figure out.

Ilax, Wrong wrong Wrong! Your reasoning is simple guilt by association. It doesn't sit well with my case. As unrealistic and out of reach as it may seem, I like nothing more than seeing the people of somaliland extend further support to the freedom fighters. On another hole in your argument. Seccesion doesn't conflict any religious believes now does it? bum. On a personal note, where do you stand yourself when it comes to EThiopia's invasion. Are you pro or con or simple fence sitter (which we don't tolerate). Xiinfaniin, I must admit you and NG have ways with words. The way you have convinced yourself to have full command of all things; as though you are all knowing is simply troubling. What happened to your support for the resistance? You've gone from pro resistance to a fence sitter leaning towards you know who. When it comes to somalia issue many folks in here would like me to be simple neutral fella like JB and not favor one over the other. Folks like Duke would like me to see things from a third party viewpoint. I think your reasoning is along the lines. you believe since neither Alshabaab nor the TFG doesn't approve the secession of somaliland; then simply I shouldn't have any support for neither. but get this, and I completely understand how you could think I am somehow not being sincere enough or simply trying to advance two issue at once. Somaliland' seccesion is a political move, supporting it won't make one less of somalia or a Muslim. However supporting the Ethiopian invasion, the TFG however does makes you less of a somali and puts your Islamnimo claim at risk. I don't want to risk my faith by supporting, being bystander or staying silent on my fellow somali Muslim being suppressed. I will support the people who represent justice, those who represent in fighting against the aggressors and those are alshabaab and other freedom fighting groups. They deserve everyone' respect regardless. However, you latest support for failed so call peace agreement proves to us that you would rather see somalis humiliated. Despite all the Ethiopians' have done in Somalia, you would rather see them simply walk away unquestioned, untouched or undefeated. That is not justice. And that is not justice for the thousands that have lost their lives. We can't let the enemy off the hook; that is what xiinfaniin wants. The agreement will cede too much ground to the Ethiopians. and If it goes ahead as you would like; they will succeed in implementing the TFG(a criminal enterprise) which is undeserving to ever govern after all they have done, and then would pave the way for the the Ethiopians to walk away untouched with somali blood on their hands. That can't happen. Markii somaliland laas canood qabsatay waadigii ogalaa in reer Laas canood ay dagaalamaan oo wax iksa celiyaan. You said and I quote " reer Sool are justified in this" refering to Soolers attempt to kick out somaliland. That was your position in somalis vs. somalis. Why then are you not supporting the ability for somalis to fight regardless of how many they lose. :confused:

Anything concerning Obama, talk about it with Pujah. She is an exceptional expert about Obama.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ I like the sound of the name Yalaxow but does it have a meaning? ps It also sounds like what a beduin would say to his camels as he tries to get them to move. 'yala....xoow'. ahahha. Yalaxow= qof timo badan. OO markuu soconayo ay timihiisu yidhahdaan 'yalax yalax' sorta like ragax ragax.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Untill Mr.Balli-gubadle clarifies his positon on the question of secession, his calls will remain implausible! Says Xiinfaniin offcourse. In your world somaliland sleeps with the enemy, while you praise Pland as the land 'pious' etc..Give me a break. I hate to pin point the holes in your questioning, but there is no use awoowe. Can we get you to try to address your fellow Planders to support the movement instead of praising them in their current status.

Originally posted by NGONGE: As confused as ever, Red. It is widely argued that those fighting the Ethiopian occupation are not only Al Shabaab but also many other (and separate groups). Why are you aligning yourself specifically with this group? As others told you above, this group has its very own agenda and plans to implement it once it wins this war (fat chance). Where would that leave you and your Somali land dreams? Or could it be that you have forsaken the concept of Somali land as a viable, sovereign and independent state? As for your comment about 'Tigery' designs for Somalia. That has always been and remains stuff and nonsense. If you have any proof otherwise, kindly share it with us. Dear NG, Firstly, we all admire anyone who stands up to the enemy anywhere in the peninsula. I don't favor one over the other much as long as they have the same objective; getting rid of the enemy off of our soil. However, I personally identify myself with the group that believes that as long as single foreign adverse remains in Somalia; the fight should ensue. That is firm stance displayed by Alshabab ever since the Ethiopian incursion started and they continue to strengthen and continue to defeat the enemy. They are the most potent in the defense of the homeland. Make no mistake though, we all support anyone who is fighting for just cause, anywhere on the peninsula. Secondly, this isn't a matter of me tossing Somali land aside. It's more about the role I believe Somali landers(hence landers) need to play in this conflict. In this conflict we see two sides; side that believes in suppressing a whole nation and its populace, implementing internal stooge authority in order to have a full say in the Somali affairs later on. And another group trying to prevent such. Thus far, I see that many somalilanders(with exception of some offcourse) have chosen to remain neutral in other words playing the role of isolationist as ''bystanders" to this whole thing and not have any say in it. I believe wholeheartedly that somalilanders much less somaliland authority need to have some sorta of influence in this conflict. Not doing anything or being silent about it, will translate to indirect support of the enemy. Because it would mean that you don't care what is happening to your fellow somalis. I do understand where this isolationist position stems from. It's direct result that many landers feel that Alshabaab as well other freedom fighting groups oppose somaliland's seccesion, therefore they feel no reason to extend a helpful hand to a one that denies your existance. That is reasonable and I completly understand. However, what we(reer somaliland) need to understand is, this isn't about self interest at the moment. It's about the precious lives of many somalis who are in the brink extinction and who need help from external enemy. Somaliland isn't the enemy, therefore why shouldn't it help? why shouldn't it care? In the future, we somalilanders, hope to establish somaliland as an ally to all its fellow somalis from Djabuuti to NFD. Therefore their enemies are our enemies, and their friends are our friends. All I am saying is, WE SHOULD CARE. PS. The evil designs I spoke of aren't neccesarily that I believe Ethiopia intends to annex Somalia as whole. But my asseration is limited to the fact that Ethiopia plans to suppress any group and/or a governemtn hoping to work for the interest of the somali people. So instead they plan in installing one that shall serve their interest so that they can have unlimited authority over us all. In this modern world, the last thing I hope to see is a country let alone an enemy to have a say in my affairs. We Somalis don't like that. Malika, That is really weak abaayo. Alamagan, Saaxib, let us face it. You are qablist numero uno. You and your pal HornAfrique. All you ever care for is that hopeless warlord they call col. Barre Hiiraale and the Juba Valley. That is it. Why can't you see that somalis may have many holes in their policies, but there is a 1 ton gorrila in the building that you need to deal with instead of rallying behind a broken record like that of col. Hiiraale. Saxib nin wayn baa tahay, ee taageer wax macno leh oo dan aduunyo ama mid aakhiro kuugu jirto. Oday taqaaqufay ayaad taageerta 24/7. Gheele, Am addressing tolka right now. This an attempt to rally my tol to understand their responsiblities.

As I know, I dont' believe you to see what I see.

JB, walal malaga yaabaa ninkaa 'waalan' in uu dad badan kuu dhaamo: WINK waa hadii dantaada aad taqaanid.

Obama is relentless. For the first time, you might see more blue than red on the Map on election day.

By: Ngonge A. Yeah these sound NG's words. He is pretty good. What does A. stand for?

^You might be right to some degree, because what this years' polls don't show are how many more people have registered this year to vote. Those mostly are young and black voters; both going for Obama. Obama is skillful debater. While McCain is just pink faced, mean spirited uneducated old man. He was even lousy navy pilot. And his years in the senate, he voted against education, voted against funding for his the troops that he constantly praises, voted against funds to help homeless vets. Though I don't like any Politician, but the clear winner in these two men is Obama.

Rudy adna mar mar waad iska hadaasha.

2 good looking men.

Don't play dumb abti.

Originally posted by Supremacist: Anyone with the 'somaliland' separatist flag as a signature has no interest in a peaceful somalia, for a lot of them they think a peaceful south somalia is a threat to their recognition. Ictiraaf baa maskaxda ka waalay. Why should we believe that from someone like you? You argument holds no water. You are in no position to really judge the sincerity of others while you approve and support what is happening in the south. Even one who utters simple condolence is better than you awoowe.

^Thanks for the audio. It's important people understand that Alshabaab has no time to kill civilians when they have bigger obstacles like the EThiopians in their sights.

^This isn't a call to Dahir Rayaale, Faysal Cali Waraabe or the Somaliland government. Asking them for help is waste of time. However am speaking about the people. They get it.

Allahu Akbar.