Originally posted by NGONGE: quote:Originally posted by Blessed.*: quote: Originally posted by Napoleon: The sooner you move out the better, I moved out when I was 18 some ten years ago, never looked back since then. The sooner you learn to be self-reliant, the better. and look how you turned out... It kills me that you believe this one moved away from home. It kills me even more that you believed all his other claims. These people give 'ciyaal suuq' a bad name, ayeeyo. Oo kana ma mid la habeeyaa? Bloody el, I only just figured B out. :mad:

*sigh* Must resist slapping B... must resist! Christian religious leaders have had an active role in the legislative affairs of the country since before the formation of the Church of England. Prior to the 11th century feudal landlords and religious leaders were regularly consulted by Saxon kings. In the 14th century, religious leaders and landed gentry formed the ‘Upper House’ (the Lords) as, respectively, the Lords Spiritual and Lords Temporal. Local representatives formed the ‘Lower House’ (the Commons). Apart from a brief interruption following the English Civil war, religious leaders have played an active role in parliament ever since. The continuing place of Anglican bishops in the Lords reflects both this historic fact and our enduring constitutional arrangement, with an ‘established’ Church of England and its Supreme Governor as Monarch and Head of State. The Bishopric of Manchester Act of 1847 limited the number of places for Lords Spiritual. It is currently fixed at 26 and, in an Upper House of 742 members, the Lords Spiritual now constitute 3.5% of its membership. CoE Role of Church of England BBC.

^Aha, You didn't listen to the interview either! *&&%$$%&& It's an overview of her political songs, damn it! p.s 6 pages now.

^He's not a Shiekh though and never claimed to be one. I wish I spoke good Arabic. There's so much fitnah and confusion in the western dacwah! Ibts. The nigerian. I disagree with a few things in his blog but I still like the brother. The old Anwar! No one is perfect and I think he is acting out on his anger. May Allah have mercy on him, us.. them.

^The CoE does have a legislative role. It does run state maintained schools. Give me an official document that says otherwise..

He started talking more about jihaad after his arrest. I don't think speaking of jihaad is radical but he took it a bit too far by praising Umar which is in contradiction with some of his past lectures on rules of jihaad. I could understand his frustration though- 17 women and 23 children of his tribe were killed in December. Ameen@ Ibts. May Allah guides us all.

'She is dealing with Somalis after all', that is the crux of the matter, dear. Abwaans have always played a role Somali political discourse. There has never been a Somali conflict / campaing that didn't have a theme song / gabay. It might be canterbaqash to you but sometimes that was the only outlet people had and most people consider it advocacy on their behalf. I did and I am grateful to her for it.

^ You think. Many others obviously don't. Not sure if you are familiar with her history but this woman defintely ignited hot debate. She was arrested for her opinion and many thought her a heroin for her stance then (and now).. So stuff and nonesense @ your stuff and nonesense.

LOL@Aalia. Err. thanks, I suppose. Originally posted by NGONGE: A singer gave an opinion on Somali affairs and you suddenly believe it's worth five pages of debate? Stuff and nonsense. You think your opinion is worth threads, so why not the brave princess of waaberi? Saado and Maryan have both rattled some feathers igniting a lot of debate so it's clearly not nonesense- stuff, for sure! I've read an editorial on her in the SL Geeska Newspaper. It was pretty positive probably because Geeska is a mucaarid paper. p.s these kids aren't discussing her opinion..

First of all Britain does not keep religion out of public life and education. The Church of England has a say on political and legal matters and the government is constantly poking it's nose in peoples religious believes and practice.. Let's also not forget the on going religious conflict in NI! I find it interesting that the writer acknowledges that short comings of secular states like Ethiopia but still endorses it's rulings as ideal because he 'hopes' that the situation will improve but fails to be as generous with Muslim countries. I sense bias here because Ethiopia isn't the only secular state that fails to live up to secular / democratic ideals or respects the rights of it's people. There are many more. Further more, he fails and so many who push secular laws also fail to actually discuss the pros and cons of Secular ideals and Islamic ideals theoratically. It's always America is good and Saudi is bad- so lets ditch Islamc law!! Somalia was secular since it's independence he said, was that without problems, corruption, dictatorship, genocide which lead to it's eventual collapse? As I said in your other post Aliamos, you'd do well to compare nations that are similar in culture. Sadaams secular state was no different to King Fahads theocratic monarchy, both were tribal, intolerant and dictatorial but err. actually Fahad killed less. Tunisa and UAE are also similar in the way they engage with their people, both states are dictatorships though one pays lip service to democratic ideals. However, on a postitive note both states are developing and making positive progress in economic / social development. Yet, in Tunisia there's a strong opposition to the forced secularity because even here there is government involvement in the religious practice of individuals, ironically due to the States secular ideals. Which brings me to the concept of democracy, isn't the basic principle that of choice? Iraqis today, though not missing secular Sadaams blood baths don't want an secular American lead democracy but sharia in their laws. Iranis after their revolution voted for sharia law, they don't want a hard lined government but they are still very attached to their Ayatollahs. Saudis call for a different interpretation of sharia not a complete removal of it. In fact most Muslims societies, from Malaysia to Nigeria want the sharia or elements of sharia law in their lives - if applied correctly. Coming back to Somalia, there laws in SL and PL are based on principles from Sharia, there are no religious freedoms in Puntland and Somalia – Homosexuality, alcohol and most things that oppose the sharia are illegal. These are not secular states by definition! I understand that Al Shabaab are harsh in their implementation of the sharia but if we look back at the short era of the IUC which brought a grass roots Islamic movement, it was welcomed by most Somalis. As Muslims we believe that the Quran is the true universal message of God. The Quran has both legislative elements and commands that requires one to promote Islamic values to the public at individual and macro levels - how do we reconcile this with secular ideals that oppose these fundamental tenets of the Quran? Finally, the migrants that 'flood into western secular' countries are from all sorts of countries, many of which are corrupt / dictatorial secular states. I don'' know why you brought that into this debate as very few are from countries which apply sharia law- I've never in my life met a Saudi / Irani refugee. The vast majority of immigrants in the west are economic migrants rather than political refugees – most none Muslim. Ironically, there are many Western economic immigrants in this wealthy, sharia based Muslim country that I live in..

We've got the whitenning madness here too even in bloody Boots. It took me an hour to find normal sun cream. Haa, mix the baking powder with water to make a paste and put it on your skin. Try and find an Ayurveda clinic, they've good natural remedies for everything.. how much longer will you be there for?

They've tried to kill him back in December linking him to the Fort Hood attacks. Here's an interview with Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera - Interview Anwar Al Awlaki

The Obama administration has taken the rare step of authorising the killing of a US citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric linked to the attempt to blow up a US airliner on Christmas Day. The decision to place Awlaki on a US hit list followed a national security council review because of his status as an American citizen. "Awlaki is a proven threat," a US official told Reuters. "He's being targeted." Born in New Mexico to Yemeni parents, Awlaki has been accused of encouraging terrorism in his sermons and writings. He is believed to be in hiding in Yemen's rugged Shabwa or Mareb regions, an area that has become a haven for jihadis. He has been linked to Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, in November, and to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian charged with trying to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day. It is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for "targeted killing", officials told the New York Times. A former senior legal official in the Bush administration said he did not know of any American who was approved for targeted killing under the former president. The decision to place Awlaki on a hit list took place this year, the paper said, as US counterterrorism officials judged he had moved beyond inciting attacks against the US – he has a large following among English-speaking Muslims – to participating in them. "The danger Awlaki poses to this country is no longer confined to words," an official told the New York Times. "He's gotten involved in plots." The policy of targeted killings is controversial. President Gerald Ford issued an executive order banning political assassinations in 1976. However, Congress approved the use of military force against al-Qaida after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. People on the target list are considered to be military enemies of the US and therefore not subject to the ban on political assassination. In February, the director of national intelligence, Dennis Blairan, alarmed civil liberties groups when he told Congress that the US may, with executive approval, deliberately target and kill US citizens suspected of being involved in terrorism. Under Obama's watch, the US has stepped up attacks on al-Qaida figures around the world from Somalia to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border through the use of Predator drones or other aircraft. The Pakistani government tacitly permits CIA-operated unmanned aircraft to target terrorist sites and militants up to 50 miles inside the country, and there have been reports of helicopter-borne raids into Pakistani territory. Source

Please, waryaa. Spare us the hysterics. We all heard it on the news, it's sad for those it effects and I suppose I have sympathy for them but I'm not personally moved by it and won't pretend to be.

^No true- well not for Somalis in Carabaha and Africa. Reer UK bay kaga dhagtay internet shops and mediocre restaurants. I always wonder why Somalis only go into a business which only caters for Somali consumers? That's hardly going to make you rich. If you do have a unique business idea, it's best to keep it under wraps till you're ready to launch it yourself.

I'd be happy to live with or very close to my hooyo. Get a job abroad then you'll really be independent. You get guys who insist on moving home hadana they're at hooyos house for breakfast, lunch and dinner and want to get their laundery done, house cleaned - what a joke! Originally posted by Napoleon: The sooner you move out the better, I moved out when I was 18 some ten years ago, never looked back since then. The sooner you learn to be self-reliant, the better. and look how you turned out...

Are these from Jamaals book? I've it somewhere need to dig it up..

^Awww. Can you get some aloe vera creams / gel? Baking soda is meant to be good too.

Yaa Allah. If helping Palestinians makes one a terrorist, than so be it. diish badanaa dadkani. MA is one of the best and most transparent aid organisations.

^Don't mind him, her recent song ayuu kaga booday.

^That's a lovely site, Val. Way iga danbaysay and they ship abroad. Nice bag collection. Thanks for sharing..

^LOL. I don't think Xunjuf listened to it either, bloody seef laboods.

Ummad Illahya abuurtay baanu nahay Danbigeeni baa madax inaga qaraacaysa Illahay faraj wuu inoo furi doonaa Hadii wax inaga hadhaan sidan ku waari mayno. Haha. So true. Nice interview, Saado is an all time favourite of mine.

The timing is fantastic, just a day after they call for more Muslims to join the army. :rolleyes: It was never our intention for these generic structures to look like or replicate mosques Generic my foot.

^I agree and I also think that clothes are meant to be a reflection of your personality. There are many people whose style I admire but I don't get the urge to dress the same. The whole lable fad fake / otherwise goes over my head. C&H I get what you mean- copy cats are annoying but I don't mind sharing uselful information on shops esp. those for modest wear, it's how I discover new shops myself. Speaking of which.. Jux, did you know that Crouch End is maxi dress heaven?