I'm surpised people are entertaining this blatant insult to Africans. :mad: :mad: I believe in Qadaa wal Qadr coupled with free will. Therefore, no!

Err. do you know me, my freind.. Hahaha. The older you get the more you cling on to dear life..

A French Passport is worth more than the honour Muslimahs? What an *****!

I couldn't put 'like' 'to die' in the same line. I hope I end up in a beautiful place at other end though..

^What a delightful nick you have. Off topic, I know. Xiinow, Warqada Af ay Somalia taqaano ku qor, kow dheh. Sidii warqadaha loo qori jiray-na u qor laba dheh. Sasabshadana yaree oo dee xaajiyada wax qanciya uga waran, sadex dheh. Aakhirtuna duco u yara quudh, waxay sheeko ferejidani?

xaasha!

Hablaha kubabkooda muu ka daayo? I didn't know about this, Illahay ha u sahlo.. Insha Allah.

^Agree totally. I hate hospitals and visitors only help me forget that I'm in prison. Somalis are so generous too, making you popular with other patients and nurses when you share your goodies.. ahaha.

Are you talking about male gold diggers? Depends on why he is broke. If he's a student, doing research, has been made redundant recently- new graduate looking for work- paying off debts- had to spend a lot of money on something of importance, business is slow. Is on a low salary. No, problems.. If he's broke because he isn't employable, has no skills, got too used to caydh or bank of hooyo and aabo and doesn't know what 7am looks like. If he is on drugs, qad, alcohol, women.. Noloshiiba wuu ka dhacasanyahay, muxuu ka guursan? A man is supposed to take care of the family and making enough money to be financial sound should be in his plans haduu gabdhaha reeruhu dhaleen ku dul wareegayo...

It's amazing how much you miss Somalis when you stop seeing them around. It's like the fun gets sucked out of everything.

^Don't worry about it, hon. We'll possible die before the biggies unfold..

Juxa... Most of all he was real, are you sure there's a human behind that monicker?

Yeah, it kinda sucks to be you but you can always reinvent 'yourself'. Ha u baqan. So, was the old lady Somali or another ethinicity?

My concern is the rights of minorities, if a certain system of Sharia can guarantee in practice the protection of those rights, then I certainly have no problem with it, such as the Malaysian model. Again, is this because of the principles of the sharia or it's application in some places? As far as I know, the vanishing of Muslim's golden age was mainly caused by religious fanatics like Ibn taymmiah and likes, and secondly unfit Amir's getting to power. Interesting! How did Ibn Taymmiyah lead to the down fall of the ummah. Be specific, please....

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel: Sounds like a big waste to me. Instead of building huge building to fawn over, perhaps we should focus on preserving nature, which is more glorious than anything we could build. You do know that Saudi is mostly desert, right? It takes no effort or money to preserve but a great deal to make it habitable.. There's a hotel shortage in Makkah too which is also over crowded so you can only build up.

So his lies arn't even original? That bridge is calling, waaryaa....

Daily Star? Who wants some salt? Somali kids aren't angels, I've worked with many troubled youth but this is OTT. These kids were born and bred in the UK so what war, rape and killing ayay ka hadlayaan?

B, Waxaad i xasuusisay markaay 3-4 jir ahaa. Intaan nacnac hooyo boorsadeeda ka xado and ayaan sariirta hoosteeda gali jiray sidaanu Illahay ii arag. Mar mar waxa la mooda in dadka qaarkood u malayaan in aanu Illahay waxay internetka ku qoraan arkin. Don't write any old nonesense for entertainments sake.. waa iga talo.

^LOL. I have no problems with a filtered down version either, I lived in one for several years, but what is a kufr system? and how does it alienate you? In sum it's a system that goes against the principles of the sharia. I grew up in Britain for instance and it's not an easy place for Muslims. It's a system that is not concerned with God or religiosity which makes it a little harder for you to practice your faith. More so when parts of your faith are deemed to go against it's secular (and even christian) believes. I'm not saying Britain should be a sharia state, just explaining why I prefer to live in a Muslim country where you hear the adhan at the mall and you have a prayer hall in every corner, for example. There's also no honour or barakah in living in a place where you because of your faith are constantly having to justify yourself, fight for your basic rights and listen to / read nonesense being said / written about you on a daily basis. However, I must ask both you Blessed and Ibti, what benefits does a Sharia system have that a Secular one does not? Can I ask what a secular system has over a sharia one.. for Muslims that is? Being a believer the sharia for me is a natural state which is conducive to my way of life. It's Allahs Hikmah. Secondly, I don't think the sharia limits human developmemt in any way. The 'Islamic Golden age' saw Muslims contribute so much to the development of ideas and inventions in many fields, these were often inspired by the Quran and sunnah and was during the time of a khilafa. I don't know where we went wrong, that's something I need to investigate..

Why Rio? Why did you post onthis section? Why, why why why why why? :mad:

LMAO@Lazy. Yaa? Looks like that's what you wanted me to say because you had a rant on the ready? Gabdhay, you really are full of sh*t! Geeljire, LOL. No chance of that, I would've entertained her just for the hell of it but my holiday is over..

B, Are sure you want me to spill the beans? Lets say you can't fool a 'fox'..

DP

Lazy, This isn't a new American policy, they've been using it and mass murdering Muslims for several years now. Similar air strikes were carried out Af Madow, Somalia in 2007. Anwar Al Awlaki didn't kill anyone, he is wanted for 'incitement'..

^^Money knows no religion dhee. Although I am not sure your idea that everyone wants the correct sharia is true. I would argue that people want their version of Sharia, which is why they have so much mess as a result. Compare the Sharia law of Iran, Malaysia, Neigeria and any other country which claims to rule by sharia and tell me, really is any of them sharia compliant, or even close enough for us as Muslim to put our eggs in their basket. Ibts, people tribal in their interpretations of Islam- in that majority Iranis follow a set of interpretations, Saudis and most Khaleej etc.. The Pakistanis , I think will have problems. For the none Muslims most of the personal laws wouldn't apply directly to them anyway. I believe every group of people can come to an agreement that works for them. I think it should be up to the culimaa, hada we have politicians and gaalo that are running the show and that is why we have problems. Teeda kale, we're not perfect and this world is not meant to be perfect so it will never be completely perfect unlless Allah wants it to be. The Quran says that Allah will establish the sharia if we believe and work for it but Muslims today, we just complain and then turn our backs on the deen and look for alternatives. This is what's happening with Somalis now. We're faced with the fitnah of Al Shabaab and all of a sudden it's 'lets take Islam out of the political sphere!' Is there no Islamic alternative? I personally, would rather live in a filtered down version as I am now than to live under a kufr system which alienates me. As for the comparison of the countries that are culturally similar, you bring about valid similarities between Saudi and Iraq under repressive systems of governance. And as I'm sure you've read, and hopefully understood, in my earlier posts, that I don't side with either and I am not for repression of any kind Islamic or otherwise. The confusion here is that when I mention secularism, people jump the gun and assume I'm talking about secularization as both do not offer the same conclusion to the subject of religion in society. I was responding to the original article where the author uses examples of none Muslim countries as ideal secular states. Excuse me but if India, France and Ethiopia are beacons of the secular system - bada ha kula dhaco. More often than not people present western style secular / democratic states as the absolute ideal and dismiss anything remotely Islamic. There has been positive outcomes of sharia lead states, some though not perfect exist today. I see your point but I hope you appreciate that the story till now has been one sided. However, in my opinion, a society based on the entire reasoning that certain things must be made illegal because God ordained it without leaving the choice to the individual (after all it is they who are going to hell) is not somewhere I personally would live in. I am for the opinion to leave the judging to God and leave religiosity (or the lack of) to the individual. Period. I do not like the forcing of people into something they do not want, whether its Sharia or otherwise. If the greater Somali populace votes for a form of Sharia, then nothing I can say or do would matter because the people want it... However from what I can tell from these forums is that there is a mixed opinion and there is no definite consensus on the matter. Horta marka hore- I never get this argument of God ordained laws being bad? Most contemporary laws originate from God or religious scriptures. The the approach to this will depend on the culture and experiences of the society concerned. The trouble with a lot of these articles is that they are written by people who are out of touch with the Muslim world. People who are exposed to so much propaganda against the sharia and only know about western political ideals that they have a one tunnel vision about what makes an ideal political system for people living in another culture. They look at the dictatorships, the corruption, the repression and ignorance and conclude that Islam is the problem. Well these same problems exists with other systems, even the ones you're advocating for, so lets stop blaming Islam and look at it from another angle. Many countries happily exist under different systems, laws and values as long as these are based on their own believes / ideals and way of life and as such most Muslims have no problem with the banning of alcohol and all the major xaraams. Other issues, minor sins and can be debated, discussed and decided on by the shura council- the sharia allows for this . Every country has laws and a judical system that judges and punishes individuals for their crimes- why is it only a problem when these laws are prescribed by Allah? I agree that any systems that petty meddling private affairs will eventually break down or radicalise people but again this isn't only happening in the Muslim world.. Are they driving your taxis, serving you shawarmas and cleaning up after you? LoL. No, but that's beside the point. They choose to move to and be governed under a sharia state because the quality of life is good. Sharia is not always oppression, repression, backward or 'get me out of here' bad..