Interesting, Seeker. I agree it differs for everyone. Here's a recent debate on the guradian from two Americans, for example shows that people from the same country can have the differing approaches to securing women's rights... You're not a feminsit, but... what? I'm not a feminist, and there is not buts.. I love the guradians feminist debates.

GD, Finally, came out with it, eh? I'm not keen on deen upgrades so lets leave it at that. If your still interested in 60.10 verse read the story of Zainab bint Rasullah and her husband in the Tafsiir.

Faarax, thanks for being good nature about it, I was joking.. I'm not refuting that parents play a huge role but learning doesn't only take place at home. We, Somalis have a tendency to put obsticals in front of good proejcts. This is a great idea and will work even with useless parents.

Yagoo qudha mahaa, Tuujiye. Waa in aaynu diinta wada barano. Somali dugsi aniga wax adan imuu tarin. GD, That verse was in almumtahana : 10.

Looxa iyo qad-ku waa xagay confusionku inooka timi. Inta loox iyo khad lagu siiya ayaa lagu odhan soo xafid ayado quraan ah oo aan laguu macnayn. No tafsiir, no fiqh or aqeedah. So when they are confronted with questions about the deen and anti-islamic propaganda they start apologising for the Islam of Muhammed (SAW). Everywhere you look in this forum waxaa laga murmayaa the very basic aspects of the deen, is it a wonder the Muslim world is in tatters? Illahay ha ina soo hadeeyo.

GD, It's forbidden because Allah commands us NOT to do something which directly informs the sharia law. In another verse about Muslimah refugees Allah says that they are not lawful wives to them (their disbleiving hubands) so do not return them.. I can't remember the exact verse but I'll look for it. See the definition of forbidden, it is concerned with law, Sharia doesn't allow for marriage between Muslims and Mushriks because of Allahs command us not to. It's not my interpretation but that of RasulAllah (SAW) and the companions. If we go by your line of thinking alcohol too would be merely shunned as Allah uses the word 'avoid' and doesn't say 'forbidden to you', yet we KNOW that RasulAllah and the companions understood it to mean it's xaraam.

Subxan Allah @ GD. Jinka ku sitaa indho adakaa. The verses are as clear as the blue sky, why do you insist twisting the meaning? Might as well put up the third verse just to be clear about what is being discussed.... The above starts with a statment, Xurimat Calaykum - Forbidden to you. In case you don't know what forbidden means, here it goes: forbidden [fəˈbɪdən] adj 1. not permitted by order or law Source The verse ailamos posted starts with 'Laa tankixu' which means Do not marry. The wording might differ slightly but the meaning stays the same, Muslims are NOT to marry polytheists, it is forbidden. Got it? The ONLY exception was the verse in Al Maidah and that ONLY applies to Muslim men and righteous women from the people of the book.

In the following verse, Al Maidah, 5. Men are specifically given the permission to marry chaste women from the people of the book. Note, the above verse mentions that both men AND women are forbidden to marry polythiests and here only MEN are given permission, if this was a general permission then it would be clear in both the Quran and it's interpretation in the Prophets (SAW) sunnah. Trnaslation: This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.

True Safa but that's another complicated issue, you can't even if you tried dictate that parents speak Somali with their kids. I'm just saying that language classes EVEN when the parents don't speak the language are effective. If your aim is to teach a language then focus on how to teach it well and forget about things you have no control over. A lot of the Arab children in my school are fluent English speakers and some of their parents don't speak a word of it.

Sorry, I saw your last post where you agreed with Faaraxs teach the parents and the kids will learn from them.

Ashkiro, Ha dhagaysan Faarax (isagaa ba liita) iyo Safa, hadaad dad wax tari kartid, u dadaal. Insha Allah, people will appreaciate it. Research shows that structured academic programmes are very effective. C&H I think you're talking about this software programme: http://eurotalk.com/us/resources/learn/somali. I've seen it in a few of the malls here. There's free online trial if you follow the link. LOL.

I like!

Coincindently, we were evaluating literacy schemes at work this week which got me thinking about how great it would be to have a Somali scheme that makes language acquisition fun and easy for the little ones. It's easy to make your own resources if you follow the langauge learning models that already exist, you just need to tweak and Somalify it a bit. I'm planning to start with my LO in September as she's now a beginning reader in English, it's easier when they're already confident in one language. Good luck , hon.

Geeljire, Waa lagaa adkaaday, wallee. You shouldn't let them judge you, dee.

lol@blowing on the catridge. I used to do that. It was sonic for us and fighting my brother for taking extra turns and then ending up sucking up to him to get me into the 'special stage'. Hahaha. I miss those days. I miss my bro. Ah!

*hugs Ibts.* Hang in there, my love. p.s that article was St*upid.

Allowed or not- I wouldn't want to be married to a gaal. Living in harmony doesn't mean that we must have babies together...

Buuxo, Zareena, her website is zareea.ae. Beautiful but expesive. There are a few shops sellig modern jalabiya styles here and a few more tailors eager to do same same for little price-he.

Ibts. TBH, I don't really care about this project, I just wanted to point out that the sensationalist headlines are misleading. What I objected to is your general statement about hating masjids that are only for prayer-- read what the Quran says about Masjids. It's purely for the sake of worshipping Allah and establishing salah and everything else is an added bonus. You seem to think it's useless without other initiatives.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: WTF! You don't OWN Somali women, kuwaad dhashaan ka taliya oo ka xumaada waxay idiin keenaan.

LOL. Chuba. If in doubt ask or ignore. I HATE random adders.

Gabdhuhu adhmi maaha, dookhna way leeyihiin @ Ducaysane. Che, LOL. Or those who had the misfortune to have a few rounds with reality.

Safa, Growing up in the same country would give them a common culture to fall back on. I persoally think that marriage is above these considertions. It's about really wanting to be together, understanding each other and being compatible personality wise, everything else is just trimmings...

It's not on Ground Zero. Ibts. The primary goal of a mosque is to establish salah so it is of use, Subxan Allah. I know what you mean about serving the community but the too should be to promote tawheed and develop the spirit..

being religious is not all that counts... religious men can be mean, moronic and petty too.. how long was he in the US for?