Londonersss :cool: followed closely by reer T.dot than you get the Mini-hopeless lot

When a faarax asks in I with faamilga or starts asking personal questions- I know he's on a shukaansi flex, sadly most Somali brothers seem to always be on the look out - but there are some genuine ones.. so you won't know till he either chats you up or starts telling you about his girl ... But, you can always no, walaal am not interested... and still get to have a decent conversation..no one can make you shukaansi them if you don't want to.

Jizaakum Allah sister .. appreciated!

Allah, I'm just having a great week... you know those times when everything from the weather to the strangers around is just perfect nice - Alhamdulilah

^^^ babe, Somali is so easy to learn. It's phonetic so if you know the alphabets, than you basically write it as you say it - with very few exceptions.. it's like writing arabic in latin...except instead of replacing some letters with numbers i.e 3 in 3ayn - c = 3 so 3ayn in Somaali is cayn - easy, eh? My friends joke that I don't know my Somali from my English. I switch between the two languages - markaa anigu waxa maskadeyda kusoo dhacuun baan qoraa. Hadii aan report laiga sugeyn ooo rayiga aan dhiibanayo la fahmayo kama warwaro luuqada aan ku kalaamo. Laakin, mar mar dadka qaarkood lahjad aan lafahmayn ayeey wax ku qoraan - so hadii af-Somali lagu hadlaayo let it be the standard version - ama u jajabiya dadka kale lol

I've met quiet a few nomads.. and wouldn't mind meeting a few more! My US gals... Raula, girl I'll bring you english tea - but you have to teach me the secrets of the famous sujui tea Tamina - gabar I'm expecting you this summer! Brown Sugah - if you don't wanna end up feeling jealouse of Tamina make sure you come with her... I promise to be nice Pearl - that would be so great babes...what happen to you lately? Londoners... Juxa ' oh, the pity tale of two londoners planning a get-together. I still want to meet ya love... just don't seem to get time off. Sue - just want to do a psycho analyses on ya lol Alwayslearning - got the feeling that I already know ya... and than more.... oj' I forgot the boys... there are 3 I'd love to meet and they either got threats or a wait till I see you from me

I think the sisters gave the adcie you needed. Your not alone and your not weird. It is advisable to have some standards babes - keep ya head up and keep running - till you meet a brother that make you wanna walk with him Nafisa lol girl like you would share that in here. I guess it's a good thing this isn't a pmsing topic - hadii kale raguna indhahaa kasoo bixi lahaa :eek: :confused: :eek: - habluhuna would depress each other

Gediid, Spadez and Ayoub With all due respect but I don’t appreciate how ya’ll are using my words against Sophist. I wasn’t intending to start an insult throwing session against Sophist or Samurai. I only wanted to clarify the role of the SCC. With that done, it should be left at that. Sophist Ma3alesh ya skeikh! I guess we’re even now

Hibo darling, I'm interested in getting invovled in developmental work in the field of Education. I hope to go back and see whats happening this summer i'a. Mentoring sounds great... please share more....

^^ won't argue with that. Your the doc, I trust ya.

^^ won't argue with that. Your the doc, I trust ya.

Salaams, this is a debate between the Mayor of London and the PM of France. I know, it's long but it is worth the read. You've made a big mistake Ken Livingstone tries to engage the French prime minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, in a debate about banning the hijab Ken Livingstone and Jean-Pierre Raffarin Saturday March 13, 2004 The Guardian The following exchange began in the run-up to the French vote on banning the wearing of muslim headscarves in state schools. French Muslims opposed the ban, but the National Assembly voted in favour. Ken Livingstone, the mayor of London, is awaiting a reply to his second letter: Dear Prime Minister, I would like to convey to you my concerns around the debate in France on the right to wear the hijab and other religious symbols in the public arena. London's diverse population includes large Muslim communities and I am very concerned to ensure their full inclusion in the city's life. Any form of discrimination against their cultural and religious freedom has, in my view, the effect of stigmatising them. I believe that a move to ban the hijab and other religious symbols in state schools will inflame current tensions between communities and encourage attacks on minority communities, not only in France but also more widely in Europe. I realise that we come from political traditions that approach this issue from different perspectives. London's Sikh community also viewed with considerable concern the sight of their co-religionists demonstrating in Paris. The Sikh community in the UK went through this debate in the 1960s when Sikhs won the right to wear the turban while undertaking policing duties. This issue has, of course, an effect on Jewish, Hindu and Christian communities too. I would, therefore, like to appeal to you to reconsider restricting fundamental religious freedoms through the proposed legislation. Yours sincerely, Ken Livingstone Frances Response: Dear Mr Livingstone, Like Great Britain, France has a rich tradition and history of its own. Since the French revolution, it has regarded the citizen as forming part of a greater whole that, as such, guarantees him total religious freedom. Since the end of the 19th century, it has made the separation of the church and the state one of the foundation stones of its political system. Like Great Britain, France is a country of tolerance. However, religious freedom does not mean that we accept that any person may place his religious affiliation and community membership above the laws of our republic. In this sense, a state school is emblematic: it is a place of neutrality, the place where intellects and consciences are developed, and we do not want any pupil to parade his religious affiliation within the school. Nowadays, in our country, the proliferation of certain religious symbols in schools has reached the point where we consider it our duty to define the boundaries and not overstep them. Because such religious symbols acquire political significance, and the Islamic veil in particular harms our concept of the emancipation of women, we cannot accept them in the classroom. It is evidently not a matter of stigmatisation, but of having clear republican rules. At the same time, we are committed to a wide range of actions to combat any discrimination that victimises French people of foreign origin, and to rally all of society to ensure equality of opportunity among its citizens, another concept to which I know you are attached. Admittedly French and British traditions are very different from this point of view, but I would not like there to be any misunderstandings on either side of the Channel. This is why I have also asked all our diplomatic staff to explain our decision, which can sometimes be misunderstood when seen from beyond our frontiers. Be assured, then, that the draft law shall have no harmful consequences because it is specific to France. Yours sincerely, Jean-Pierre Raffarin Kens Response: Dear Prime Minister, I fully acknowledge and respect French republican traditions, which have played such a fundamental, progressive role in European history. Your letter suggests that the ban in state schools will maintain their neutrality as places of learning. If the objective were neutrality, this could be achieved by the equal treatment of all religions and none in the curriculum and extracurricular activities, while allowing Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and others equal freedom of cultural and religious expression in the classroom. Banning children from expressing their religious and cultural identity is not maintaining the neutrality of the school, it is suppressing the right to religious and cultural freedom. Moreover, your letter makes clear that the objective of this legislation is not really neutrality between religions, but to discriminate against one particular religion - Islam. You single out the Islamic hijab for particular criticism on the grounds that it is contrary to your conception of the emancipation of women. This is obviously inconsistent with equality of religions. I understand that the European court of human rights has made clear that the right to freedom of religion excludes any state discretion to determine which religious beliefs are more or less legitimate. Some would argue that the attitude of the Roman Catholic church hierarchy on divorce and contraception is even more contrary to their conception of the emancipation of women. However, in our diverse societies such issues should be addressed by discussion in a framework of mutual respect, not state measures against manifestations of one religion judged less legitimate than another on what can only be subjective grounds. Indeed, in relation to the emancipation of women, I believe the relevant principle is that it must be the right of the woman to choose whether or not to wear the hijab. If the state denies women the right to choose, it is violating their right to freedom of expression. If the hijab is to be deemed so unacceptable that it should be banned from schools by law, I fear that this ban will not be restricted to schools. If not reversed it could start a wider discrimination against Muslim women. Indeed, there are starting to be reports of examples of this in other French institutions. I have taken up this debate because the legislation adopted by France has opened a discussion of these issues throughout Europe. Many communities in London feel the outcome of that discussion will directly influence their religious and cultural freedoms. Yours sincerely, Ken Livingstone

^^^Darling, I've already settled that with Sophist ... in my second post I wrote the following... As for my comment on unifying of Somalis, apologies, you didn’t say that. However, I was going by what was written in Samurai’s Press release. I assumed that you were in agreement, since you generally agree with Samurai and the fact that you failed to correct him. Furthermore, considering the constant skirmish with regards to unity between the nomads, you could have approached the invitation more sensitively. I don't know why reer LA are being told about the SCC meeting. I'm sure they have more urgent concernes than what Londoners are doing for themselves...

oh boy o'boy! some people think this is a school age game..."they did it... lets do it too" Actually, the SCC has been running for over a year now. The group was started by Islington's MP - Jeremy Corbyn and they have been having meetings in the House of Commons. Now, the SCC does a great deal of work in bettering circumstances of The British Somali Community. Sophist is pulling a 'show off' stunt and is making the nomads aware of the fact that any one can go into the House of Commons (including himself) - hence belittling Mr. Riyaale's visit last week. Childish, I say :rolleyes: Sophist, People were not fascinated by the building itself but by the prospect of getting recognition for Somaliland. I find it interesting that you never shared details of the former SCC meetings with the nomads. For that reason, your intention is clear. As for my comment on unifying of Somalis, apologies, you didn’t say that. However, I was going by what was written in Samurai’s Press release. I assumed that you were in agreement, since you generally agree with Samurai and the fact that you failed to correct him. Furthermore, considering the constant skirmish with regards to unity between the nomads, you could have approached the invitation more sensitively. My problem, with how you presented this meeting is that it misrepresents the SCC and that there is a risk of putting people off attending. I'm sure, there is more to the meeting than a mere appreciation of the architectural works of the building, wouldn’t you agree?

Originally posted by Sophist: For those who were mesmerised by the wensday's spectacle then perhaps this would be an apportunity that will enchant their soul. I am rather mystified and disappointed at Sophists misuse of the SCC meeting. The SCC is a working group set up to enable Somalis in the UK to highlight the problems faced by the community based in the UK. It consists of several groups, covering various areas such as education, health, racism … including a working group on Somaliland (HA!). I wasn’t aware that the SCC took up the job of uniting Somalia :confused: I thought that was left to the guys in Kenya. Perhaps, Mr Sophist wants elaborate on the change of SCC’s focus – from tackling Social issues in the UK to dealing with Somalia’s political problem. What is the obsession with Somaliland? How is last week’s demonstration and Riyales visit related to the SCC? Why did you have to go there bro? To The Nomads, Please, attend the meeting as it deals with the problems faced by our community (all those who are ethnic Somalis – regardless of their political ideology) in the UK.

Lu'Lu I hope you ain't trying to knock community work. :mad: :mad: :mad: I'll have you know that there are some wonderful hard working community workers out there. Pretty Boy and MD True, learning never ends, but do you guys realise how expensive psotgraduate study can be. Considering the employment climent, I don't fancy getting into more student debt when there already some many jobless MA holders with more exp. to compete with. Senomad13 Don't worry too much bout it, hon. It's fun - out of school Gediid, loool There you go with your mukur again. Waar stop iswaalwaalka before cheeta steals your girl :rolleyes:

Lu'Lu I hope you ain't trying to knock community work. :mad: :mad: :mad: I'll have you know that there are some wonderful hard working community workers out there. Pretty Boy and MD True, learning never ends, but do you guys realise how expensive psotgraduate study can be. Considering the employment climent, I don't fancy getting into more student debt when there already some many jobless MA holders with more exp. to compete with. Senomad13 Don't worry too much bout it, hon. It's fun - out of school Gediid, loool There you go with your mukur again. Waar stop iswaalwaalka before cheeta steals your girl :rolleyes:

According to Legend, the Puntite Kings of Egypt refereed to Somalia as the Land of God. However, in 1968 when a certain Sergeant Shriver visited Somalia with a Peace Corps sent from the US. He referred to it as the land that God forgot. Considering, that the later reference was made before the civil war. How can the difference in opinion be explained? There are those that may argue that Allah challenges his creation to grow spiritually. And would hence argue that Somalia (the world at large) is Allah’s land of challenge. Do you agree? On the other hand others would argue that, Allah rewards the faithful with material wealth – would that make Somalia – a land forgotten by Allah? I think it’s a bit of both. We are set challenges in order to be rewarded for our perseverance. However, once we forget that challenge and fail to acknowledge the purpose of our existence – than Allah forgets us. <--- Based on a hadith, whose proper wording that I’ve forgot. What thinks you? * note* Somalia refers to the entire region making up the former Somalia proper. Can't be bothered with differentiating borders, as this isn't a discussion of politics as such.

I just love Farah’s style of writing. However, I find that his unique and exaggerated perception of the Somali psych isn't a true representation of Somali society. Most of the characters in his book share a common trait. There seems to be a subtle message that suggests that one needs to move away from cultural restriction to be free of the ignorance and barbarism associated with Somalis - Personal opinion. Thanks for the info, MD – I was a bit short on choices of books lately.

Celine Dion? Okay, more tips on my singer the song starts off like this Sitting at lights She rode up on my right Looking in the mirror making sure her s*** was tight I know she won't look But I think I've got her shook Come on, girl. This was a recent classic. and he has a sweet smile

I can't really comment on the case, as there isn't much data to go on. If she refused on grounds of vanity. She is guilty. I don't understand why people are suspicious of the medical profession - their aim is to preserve life. My sister is a Midwife and she is constatly faced with paranoid mothers to be - who end up losing their babise because the refuse to cooperate with the Doctors. I'm not saying that they are always correct in their analyses of the situation..but we should at least here them out and get a second opinion if you must. Also. on the issue of Doctors wanting to decrease the population- I don't know about the USA but in England - the system actually welcomes the increase as the older generation outnumbers the young ones - and they fear having more pensioners than labourers. This off course would fcuk up their economy. As far as bonding goes, I think Lady Mo summed it up beautifuly. Bonding process occures after birth and is enhanced through breastfeeding. The only way Csection inhibts the process is because -mothers may not be able to hold their babies straight away.

^^Obesity is a medical condition. No one chooses it. Dawoco, Great read darling. Thank you. I think that you’re being a little harsh on yourself. Nothing annoys me more than being squashed in between two stinky yuppies on the tube journey to work. I don't know how anybody who is considered successful be allowed to get away with smelling so bad. Okay, this may sound snobbish on my part, but while some1 can't help being a obese, these rich dudes can afford a deodorant/ shower. But coming back to your experience. I suppose, it's how you look at it, perhaps you feel bad because you abhored her fatness rather than the fact that she was squeezing the oxygen out of ya? Had this been a skinny person, would you be any less offended? Did you consider telling her to back off? Personally, I let others point out my weakness in character. I've been advised not to pinpoint my weaknesses to others by a wise lady. Reason being that, most people wouldn’t notice it until you draw their attention to the problem. Besides, nobody is perfect; I don't kid myself in thinking that I'm the nobody.

Destiney's Child? Okay... 'it's been a while now, and I'm steady on the case, everywhere I go I'm looking for her face' He started his singing career in the early 90's (perhaps late 80's) and was part of a very successful RnB group. Re-emerged in the late nineties....

Nice, nice. I just love Amin Amir. Pure talent

^^^^^Subxan Allah^^^ :rolleyes: I disagree with you. Hijab is obligatory as Allah uses the word 'Qul' - Tell - that is a command - not a suggestion. Also, in another Ayah in Sura Al- Nur the command is more direct. I find it interesting that you failed to quote that Ayah .. well here it is... and tell me if it is still a suggestion? Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do. (An-Nur 24:30) And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent , and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their women, or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful. (An-Nur 24:31) And there is also the Hadith, where the Prophet (saw) told Asmaa (ra) how she shoukd cover up! "Ayesha ® reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr ® came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood) So where do the Saudi university students of the 70's come into all this? How do you explain th fact that Muslim women have been wearing the hijab for 100s of years before these Saudi students designed the hijaab? I do agree with you on the issue of the design of the hijab, there is no hadith / ayah saying that it should be a certain way. The authentic Islamic sources only indicate how much of the body that needs to be covered by the man and the woman. As for the hijaab not being a political symbol. I’d have to disagree. Upholding Islamic principles whether political, social or otherwise is a spiritual effort. We fall into this system of categorising things into structures. I was always under the impression that Islam is a political ideology as well as a spiritual – it dictates every single aspect of human life. This banning of hijab runs deeper than a mere ban on what Muslim girls wear. After all, we don’t wear the hijab just because..or do we? Isn’t it about being recognised as Muslims – and representing the religion and hence upholding every single aspect of Islam – political or not?