Have FUN ladies, the Toronto gals are sweet a sweet fun loving bunch. Made my holiday that much more sweeter last year! Can I come again? :cool:

Jizaak Allah for that post UD! I like it very much. Realtes to most of what some of the sisters were advocating for in those heated 'role of women debates'. Good, to see it come from a bother ******FiNaly*** Peace in SOL's Womens section

^^^LOL! Dee mayee, waxa fiican inaad ku dadaasho sidaad dadkeena dhaqan xumada uga caawin lahayd..maxadaad uga sheekayn hadii aadan wax ka qabanayn.. . I'm just encouraging you, even if I don't necessarily agree

I think that we have different interpretations of what culture is. For me it’s the unique set of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, and beliefs, institutions shared by a group of people...how do you define it? I also think that these practices also change with time and with circumstances. Obviously, you’d get sub-cultures within the main culture and individual interpretations of it. But what makes something cultural to Somalis? Take our weddings for example, white dress, tuxedos, cakes music – all socially accepted by today’s Somali society…. common practice by Somalis from Toronto to Berbera…. But is it our culture. Does it belong to us exclusively and is it reflected by our beliefs? How can we call something ours when our mindset is against it? As for the lack of activity on the part of those that are supposed transmit the cultural practices of Somalis (what ever that is)- I agree it is a major contributory factor. Obviously, people were more concerned with survival than the edutainment industry. Alxamdulilah, recently there seems to be a revival taking place in that front…seen any good films from back home lately? I was watching the one about the geeljire that was going to the city to get a job on the way, he met a couple and lost their chickens.. *oh* sorry, I don't now why am giving you a commentary :rolleyes: . So maybe you can start planning a clip teaching parents the effects that habaar has on their kids? You know, like one of those with a science bit?

I think that we have different interpretations of what culture is. For me it’s the unique set of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, and beliefs, institutions shared by a group of people...how do you define it? I also think that these practices also change with time and with circumstances. Obviously, you’d get sub-cultures within the main culture and individual interpretations of it. But what makes something cultural to Somalis? Take our weddings for example, white dress, tuxedos, cakes music – all socially accepted by today’s Somali society…. common practice by Somalis from Toronto to Berbera…. But is it our culture. Does it belong to us exclusively and is it reflected by our beliefs? How can we call something ours when our mindset is against it? As for the lack of activity on the part of those that are supposed transmit the cultural practices of Somalis (what ever that is)- I agree it is a major contributory factor. Obviously, people were more concerned with survival than the edutainment industry. Alxamdulilah, recently there seems to be a revival taking place in that front…seen any good films from back home lately? I was watching the one about the geeljire that was going to the city to get a job on the way, he met a couple and lost their chickens.. *oh* sorry, I don't now why am giving you a commentary :rolleyes: . So maybe you can start planning a clip teaching parents the effects that habaar has on their kids? You know, like one of those with a science bit?

All the best walaal

^^^^ I'm not exactly sure by your definition of 'Somali Society'. My interpretation of the accepted norms of Somalis is based on my observation of the Somalis that I grew up around. Now, whilst I have observed some parents who do insult their children and mothers who curse, I can't see how this can be interpreted as a common cultural practice. Is this a practice exclusive to Somalis? Is it something that is enocouraged by psych of the average Somali, say like FGM (which is one of our negatives) and Qat are? My point was that it can't be cosidered cultural as it isn’t a general trait of Somalis and as I said it is not something that is encouraged in the value system and religion of Somalis –! It’s like saying child abuse, which is a common occurance in this country is an accpted norm of British culture… I think both scenarios that you have painted reflect bad etiquette on parts of adults in dealing with children. I was raised in a household, where adults were never to be referred on a names basis, where we were told our position as youths and clear boundaries were set. And this is how most of the Somalis I know were raised .. so as a result am assuming that it is an accepted practice. I always thought the Somali culture was strict in that sense, that children were seen and not heard and that adults held all the wisdom, whilst the young once didn’t have any. Not a view that I’m crazy about, but it goes totally against your representation of Somali culture… again am talking about the commonly accepted ideas of society and not the actions of some ppl.

I don't hate Ethiopians or anyone else for the simple fact of them being from another country. Whilst, it’s true that Ethiopians and Somali have conflicting political interest. I don’t know how that can be taken to an individual level. And as a Somali, I don't appreciate being clustered with those arrogant and ignorant girls that do. I think, you should ask those girls why they have a problem with you being an Ethiopian because it's them that are hating. Not Somali females as a whole. While, I feel your frustration, I think your just doing what they’ve done to you by turning this into a Somali V Ethiopian issue. How the hell are we to know, why those girls hated you for being Ethiopian- how do we even know that it was your nationality that they disliked as opposed to something else. Sorry if my post offends! Laakin, I am sick of having to answer for the actions of other Somalis. And even more annoyed when people insist on talking on my behalf (or the Somali collective) case point: Shabeella’s list of who we Somalis hate – and how they are so quick to wash their hands of what they describe as a common Somali trait.

NGONG Whats wrong with having a 14 year old chat to his elders. In th era where 'mentoring' 'role models' are common features of conversation regarding the downfall of Somali youth, am surprised that you have a problem with interaction between young and old. And mothers throwing obsenity at tehir children is not something encourage by dhaqan iyo deenba. Most mothers I know don't display such behaviour, so I don't see how that can be generalised or considered a Somali tradition. Back to the topic! I personally love the Somali culture (not to be confused with common behaviours). This stems mainly from my interest on all things cultural (whether it's Somali o not) – walahi, at the risk of sounding arrogant, our food, cloths; hospitality and literature (spoken word) are simply the best in comparison to other cultures. It all depends, on how it is presented to the youth by parents and isn’t aleays dependent where you were born, how long you were in Somalia and how much Somali you have in you. My little brother who only recently visited Somalia for the first time in his whole life – is more dhaqan aware, literate in the language than some 20 year olds who actually spent their early years there. I know, people who are only half / quarter Somali exhibiting more dhaqan than the true farax’s xaliimos. But it has to be said, whilst pride in your identity provides some sort of psychological comfort. People, have the right to decide what constitutes their culture and how they relate to it. I don’t have any problems with those people who aren’t so enthusiastic about Somali culture – as long as they spare me their superior ways; I’m not bothered by it. We have to understand that not everyone is brought up the same way. Whilst both my parents were culture-loving folks, I have cousins who don’t speak the language and get a little uncomfortable when with Somali people, the girls would never go to weddings or seen dead wearing a dirac. I don’t think, it’s because they consider it inferior and they are really cool, sweet people who were never exposed to Somali dhaqan, Somali people. My point is; to love your culture is great and of benefit only to you but we need to be both tolerant and respect those who choose other cultures… after all, nationality isn’t what makes a person but their experiences- and Somalis isn’t the only community that questions the place of their culture … man we have more curry houses than traditional chip shops in the Great British Islands stealing from other cultures is a favourite past-time in this country – does that mean the English are self-hating… don’t bet on that! If our culture is so great, why do we fear for it so much?

Hibo, You right it's a little confusing and seems to me that the brother is somewhat undecided about the situation. It's probably a case of meeting the right person but at the wrong time. Sida uu inanku u dhaqmayo waxaan ka arkaa inuu kaa helay laaakin aanu diyaar u ahayn sheeko intaa ka dheer. Waxa laga yaabaa inuu weli mid kale rajo ka qabo and hence the 'unfinished bussiness'. So with that in mind, I think that you both made the right decision in letting this go at this stage. As hard as it it is, it isn't wise to start a relationship when there seems to doubts from either party. I'd advice you not to push the brother, but since you like him so much to stick around till he sorts his head out. Maybe, you can suggest that he eases up on the sweet-talk because it's confusing you- might as well be honest, ay? For some strange reason Somali brothers like it when your not so available. But one thing is true (and I hope brothers back me up on this) when they do find the one - they will not leave a stone unturned till they get with her. So, do you really want to be with some1 that isn't sure about having a long term relationship with you? I hope my advice helps and that it' works out for you darling and remember: If it's meant to be, It will happen

^^ I agree! And I think any sister that is 'hijab concious' would find ways of making sure that her bits aren;t in display.. by either wearing an opaque shawl or a cabaayad when in the company of non-mahrams. I really like the 'kurdad' and 'toob' thing and think that it can be turned into an everyday dress if the correct the fabrics are used. Today, I'm wearing my shades, my old creased Macawis and because it's cold, I'm wearing my red football socks. Very nice... where do you hang out so I can take a few pics Sandals are nice with macawis! But I wouldn't ecourage brothers to roam the streets with macawiiso.

I always loved the Guardian, particularly Society Guardian on Wednesdays. However, things changed last year after I've read this article based on an undercover investigation of gay tendencies in the Muslim community... It rubbed me off the wrong way, I never quiet looked at the Guardian in the same light..I guess it really is liberal and liberalism isn't always muslim friendly. Laakin, it's got to be said there was a really good sarcastic piece about being a Muslim in post Sep11 England by this Pakistani fella lat wednesday…. As for Somali papers, Kasmo is a nicely balanced Somali paper- just wish they focused more on issues facing Somalis in the UK.

Originally posted by OG_Moti: 3. open schools for academic studies with hidden agenda of promoting the revolution I really like this one. It's a long shot but getting them (the youths) early works wonders. What Somalia really needs is a literate and analytical population - provide an education system that prepares our youth for leadership. That can only be achieved if the education system is sorted out- it's always been crap so it's a wonder we'r in the state that we are in. I agree with Rahima, we need to retu to Islam because Allah will only change our condition if we strive to do so. But enough of that, we know damn well that we write all this and ignore the fate of our ppl as we do. We can all start by being tolerant of each and one.

^^^ Brace your self luvvi! You are Number 1 in Ms London's hit list. :mad: :mad:

^^^ You know, just the thought of you dead fills me with . But, if that will make you happy, can you make sure you pass your book collection over here! A give to remember you by my dearest friend and colleague

^^^^Oh PUHlees! I bet you were planning to come back with a different nick just so that you can hear all you can without being found out .... Leave my orange stained -yellow cabaayah alone...bloody yamkis.. meel aan ka marno ayaan la'nahay :mad: :mad:

Sorry sue, I'm gonna laze out of this one. Too many nomads to analyse...! Anyhoot...Saturday, was a great laugh.. walahi, didn't think i was gonna have that much fun... but ya'll surprised me .. lol kidding .. most nomads are true to their sol caharcter so it' was cool! But, I must say...I'm not so scared of sue anymore - pschotic, pessimistic... did you go to acting school? But, I've got to say her paranoia is ultra contagiouse.. man, am being extra careful with everything I touch since that little story about the letter box thing... Always Learning , Sue ,Theiry and Sujui's Cousin (forgot your name luv, sorry!) and AL's Cousin (it's was nice to finaly get to know the girl about town lol) ooh... It been a pleasure meeting with ya, laughing with ya and eating bad falfel and great ice cream (don't look like that Barwaqo, your the one the got too busy) And, I've almost forgot the other three nomads that were present. What were their names again? *scratchs head* . Aaah, Muna, Northerner and Sujui ya'll were alright to be seen again - don't make a habit of it though Oh' come ya'll know i loves ya.. honestly Raula, lol@ tea parties- you make me sound like islaan. But if thats your thing, babe I' make the time 4 ya Barwaqo, Okay, okay! stop looking at me like that, I'll come and visit ya'll in bahal took- but if me gets addicted to a level where it interfers with my sleep.. am coming after your **** :mad: Sorry you couldn't make on sat.. but I made sure I had an Ice Cream on your behalf - you liked parlines and cream, right? Yummmmmm! I've saved you the spoon if you want it, you know where to get it P.s Sue, 'Ms London' only comes out when scores need to be setteled. I've been told that being mean didn't go well with a nick as sweet as Ameenah...

^^^Oh MY GOd... how can you not.. waar orod is aas lol ... kidding bruv...all the best Dear, dear! This is turning into a counselling session. Chill peepz, ya'll will pass with flying colours..I can jus feel it - now go and put the work in Raula, Thats, odd! I always visualised you as a don king lookalike...I had no idea you looked ..errm normal Just messing with ya sweetie.. just make sure your hijab is ultra scure..we don't wanna scare off any potentials do we lol Queen of Mombasa It was for all of ya'll ... university finalists , juniour school kids - anyone with exams! Sissade, It's aight if you go mental - you wont be the first off-key doctor out ther .. just make sure that you steer clear of my local hospital... Tamina and all - ya'll got my ducaas..

<----- Shocked, :eek: confused :confused: and slightly tickled *goes back to sleep*

Salaams all, Whether you are in junior high or a finalist - I just wanted to take the time out and wish you all the best with your studies and exams. I know, most of ya'll are probably tearing your hair out but if visualize the ending you should hopefully be okay. May Allah make it easy for ya'll! And, and a HUGE Congrats, a bunch of mabruuks and plenty of aw’guuryo’s (yes I realize it’s the same word) to the Graduates of 2004. All the best with your future plans

PT, The Somali bit was a quote from Nuunes post, not intended for you but if your curious Nunne wrote a little paryer for Somalis Intuition I like ur style, sistah! A lady who knows what she wants and makes it known.

^^ I feel ya girl! Some guys just don't have any etiquette when dealing with females. It's not so much them being there all day, every day. It's a problem when they insist on staring you out - like you got paint on your cloths, talk about you like your some object on a shelf, dropping their ****** pick-up lines and making a point of starting up a conversation...and then diss you for ignoring them -as opposed to embarrassing them in front of their boys. If they are that bored - perhaps going to school and errm work would keep them preoccupied!

^^^Bisinka! I agree, secrets shud be guarded. Laakin, your taking this to another level. No one is flawless walaal, even 'big time wadaads' and there is a point to his post. Hint: Somali Politics :eek: Read second post again Seems like Og_Girl is the only who got the message. I have to agree with you in saying that they each have some positive characterists if they eased up a little on the emotions. If they realised that tehy had a common goal to work towards than that would provide a plat form of cooperation. Laakin, I'd have to disagree allowing the 'tribalists' to invite other is disasterouse and hence the situation in eldorate - or is that what Nur was hinting at? Nuune wixii khayr ah ilaah hana waa fijiyo, sharka ilaah hanaga xijaabo, intii dhimatay ilaah ha u naxariisto, camal suuban iyo cibaado wacan ilaah hana siiyo, gaalada ilaah tawfiiqda haka qaado, khayaamadooda iyo dhagartooda ilaah hanaga duwo, faataxa Amiin!

^^lols! Raxmah, Be warned Londoners are the least hospitable bunch of Somalis. I suggest that you visit www.thisislondon.com to checkout on Tourist destinations (they do some very good discounts in August) and find out all that’s happening. Make sure you bug whoever that your staying with take you places because, if I let you in on a little secret. We, are very good at ‘getting on with it’ and letting you do the same. If you want to make the most of London, plan. plan and plan and follow through. Then, you won't be disappointed. Hopefully! Aniga, I have a 5 week break from work. Yeeehaa! Might hob over to Holland for a week or go on a shopping weekend in France with girls- if they don’t abandon me for Somalia again. Maybe it’s time I got some new friends. But plan to make most of London as most of my relatives are coming here for my sisters wedding, a lot of catching up, eating out, shopping and tour guides coming my way ... actually, am really looking forward to it! Tahliil, I was really tempted by this intensive Arabic course @ Al-Ahzar- wrong timing though…one day i'a. Egypt is really good for learning about the deen.. All the best walaal and let us know how it goes please

^^morons! :mad: *waves @Nin Yaaban*