I was looking forward 2 the aroos and seeing Rudy turn into a daddy..oh well..still funny!

lol@ I'm sure vegans will have a problem with that clasification :rolleyes:

^^According to the Quraan 'In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, there are Signs for people of intelligence'. There are many signs in the Quran that are proved by modern scientific findings. In fact the Quran challenges it's reader to look, question and analyse. So this notion of faith with out reason is a little troublesome for me as a Muslim. What your referring to is more a case of blind following of faith--- but than philosophy as it stands dictates a certain level of blind following. I don’t think that it’s wise to base your judgements of the world on reason (of some dead duq) alone but how reason relates to the physical and vice versa. *yawns*

Lol! Wouldn't that involve negotiating using kufr laws / thoughts and hence putting them on par with Allah’s rule. I thought, the HT methodology was Islamic only and free of any form of association with kafirs.... On one hand you can't vote for a politician that is anti-war and wants to end the Iraq war on the other you are to debate with, submit campaigns to and petition a government that is responsible for the whole thing. :confused: It might be better to up the campaign of uniting Muslims and focusing more in reviving Islam in the Muslim world.

^^^ Whats the difference between the sisters in your pic - and this sister? North, I wasn't talking about insurance and I’m not talking about voting. <--- Are totaly different subjects that are covred by different fiqh points. I’m talking about something that is generally acceptable by the British law and schools but that is being banned in one particular school for the most ludicrous of reasons. The school has two reasons for the ban 1. Safety 2. Cultural blah, blah! This isn't an issue of health and safety - as it passed the safety standards of other schools. Come on – man – how many jilbaabi science graduates do you know? Besides, that - what message does this send about jilbaabi sisters in general? They are a health and safety risk and should there fore regarded a security risk? It also isn’t about cultural sensitivity. Again, other schools make that allowance. It's a school that wants to limit the girls dress because they feel like it. And how can it culturally sensitive when their xalaal uniform supplied consists of a sarwaal kameez. Excuse me, but I didn't realise that the 'sarwal kameez was Islamic attire. I thought it more an Asian dress. I'm I the only that sees the racial incrimination of this whole thing... to be Muslim you must be Asian. BUT that’s another topic! As far her missing school goes- I don't know how her parents allow that - she can easily go to a less sensitive school - but that’s another discussion. As for the interpretations – there are differences of opinion – from those who say you should only dress modestly – to those who say you should cover every part of your body including the face…. We need to respect our differences. Otherwise, you’ll have the long bearded dimwits who say ‘we are happy with school’ talking alongside the sister who wants to wear her jilbaab. ANY way..Did any one watch Panorama last Sunday…

That’s my friend’s brother. I can’t believe the nerve of these people. The whole case is based on complete lie. The only crime he committed was practice his Deen. A few months ago they've decided to deport him to Somalia (where he has never been) because they had no evidence as regards to him being a terrorist ... and now this. Subxan Allah. May Allah grant him patients and rahmah through this. Please make ducaa for the Brother and his family... and those of you in Columbus should try and get involved in a campaign or something! Shaqsi, it’s not about Somali that are getting ‘beyond their depth’ it is a fine example of institutionalised racism against Muslims. Police terror against Muslims is so legitimised that any one of us is considered a terrorist and any one of us is at the risk of this brother’s predicament. You remain Muslim, you become 'extreme' you are a potential terrorist. It’s that simple now. They don't need any evidence to throw you in jail. He was a family man with his won business – what business did he have planning to bomb his local shopping mall

^^ lol at you two. I don't even know where my awooyo's and ayeeyos were born and your talking about the great ones :eek: You ppl are good! Qaxooodi, Wow, walaalo, enjoy yourself and make sure you take plenty of pictures to go with that report. I'm hoping to ga back in the winter. i'a. Idil, I like the way you've structured that. I'll be expecting a report from you too. P.s you'll still be called names - something along the lines of 'dhaqan celis' or 'dhaqan biis'

Sister Amaani i am not getting defensive this is not a debate, You are! Go east (Indho yar, Kenyati) or Go west (Cadaan ure, negerian uff, Jamaican akhas) [/i] Somali man will be the only one who appreciates you even if he doesn’t show it… lol. And your not being defensive, eh? I wasn't even talking about dating marrying other men. This topic isn't even about Somali men. It's not comparing them to other men and I most certainly have not insulted the worth of Somaali men. But you just couldn't help but go there, could ya? Let me go back to Somalia and Women: Somalia is one of the few countries that women have a lot of powers, Somalia is a unique country see Agreed! But I wasn't questioning that! ....and exaggerate and dramatize their complaining stories .....however I only blame women, cause Somali men don’t beat up women, it is a shameful act in Somalia if you beat up a female, so if the man is not performing his duties, she can walk away and don’t look back, instead they choose to complain and make fuss out it. Hehehehehehe! Waa runtaa, maybe she can get herslve a Jamaican :rolleyes: NGONGE, I agree. I guess, we’ve turned into anarchists in every sense of the word. Jamaal 11 I suppose it’s how you look at it. The BBC always starts debates based on their latest stories. The comments there are valid to those who post them. I liked this one >> I believe, the average Somali man respects Somali women more than a European would respect his female counterpart. Fatima Hassan, Hargeisa, Somaliland I thought this topic would provide a break from the 'What turns you in farax' / 'why do xaliimos not say hello' type of threads - no pun intended to any nomad. Qax, Qaac Some things never change, eh? :rolleyes:

<---- Red Devil *walks into thread, spits* Pen.... Thats silly, iniit? Should the quality of a team be measured merely on the race of the palyers. Originally posted by HONEY-D: wlc Arsenal. I hate Man United so much i also hate their former player Beckham dont you think that dumb fool is being over-rated. quote: WARNING!!! NO ManU supporter is allowed to this noble site . you heard the man No man United supporters are allowed. Gooneys. Why the hostility? Do you feel threatened? *Walks out of thread* Unharmed!

Originally posted by Viking: I agree with you. Modesty has never been their strength. They are always talking about how they'll win but forget that (besides the recent Rugby success) England hasn't won any team sporting events since the 1966 WC. What BULL! The English, are good at football, they are unbeatable at rugby and they RULE Cricket The've smashed the Kiwis and on Thursady, Cricket will be coming HOME AS for the Euro... it ain't over till the old farax sings... :cool: Zidan is great.. but you can hardly call delivering a free kick awsome :rolleyes:

I haven't been back home since, I was a kid. So, in my brain I've pitched this dreamy image of Somalia. I have a feeling that it would take me a long time to adapt to their ‘ in your face, in your business and your bag’ attitude but the thought of being in my *own, is quiet inviting. The only thing stopping me is the lack of jobs there. If I had the financial means to live in Somalia, I would. There’s also the issue of the poor health system and education… but if we don’t go back – who will fix it? And, I think that is the case with most ethnic minorities in England -am always having this conversation with Jamaican colleague, who hates Englan* but has been here since the 60's. Only going back to her country (which she loves) once a year. Then, you think of all these British people, who are moving out of England because of the stressful / expensive life style. Maybe we, the Somalis just aren't determined enough. In any case, I won't decide until I see and evaluate the situation for my self. Pray, I won’t be disappointed…...

^^agreed! We need as much information as you can deliver! OMG, gal...am so jealouse..Oh' the thought of being at home...WOW! Enjoy yourself EM

Hmmmmm, I knew it. That whole episode was a sham :mad: Check this: Pentagonand share your thoughts.

Ngonge I agree with most of your comments. However, there are many women who through no fault of their her own are unable to have children. Isn't questioning their worth is like questioning their level of taqwa? Who is anyone to say qaofkaasu qiimo ma leh hadaanu caruur dhali karin? See this sister is blessed in the sense that she already has children. So, I don't even know how her family can use this arguement :rolleyes: Always Learning Whatever the reason, there is only one person sufferring here and I pray Allah makes her strong and increases her Imaan. Ameen. Amiin sis! It’s really odd how the woman is very silent in this whole case; All the articles seem to focuse on what her husband said and what her relatives did. But what about her? Surely, she’s old enough to speak for herself! And, the poor Doctor. He did what he had to do, yet he is being penalized for it? God, I really thought that we were better than this. Checkmate and OGMoti Slow down brothers, waad taalbo dheeraateen. I'm sorry if this hurts you outsized egos.. BUT this debate isn't about you I don't fancy bashing Farah's on this occasion, so don't push me :mad: Sheekadani siduu MMA idiinku sheegay waa mid dhab ah. It is happening now, ok?! This thread is about the value of the women in society. Is a a woman to be regarded only for her role in childbirth? are we right to treat those who are unable to have children as outcasts? The moral state of our nation and dilemmas faced by our doctors- should the doctor be forced to pay for doing his job? What are your views?

Ameen brother, Ameen! Nice poem But I'd rather Allah showed us the true nature of being a Muslim. As that would solve our problems. *Khair Insha Allah!

I'm asumming that you've all heard about the hospital conflict. Some doctor got into a whole lot of trouble for removing the womb of his patient. This is an interesting follow up debate / article.....!! The BBC's Africa Live programme asks: Is a woman worth more than the children she bears? In Somalia, a hospital in the capital Mogadishu was forced to shut for five weeks following threats to a doctor who removed a woman's womb. Dr Bashir Sheikh said the operation had saved Mrs Fatuma Abdulle's life because she was carrying a dead foetus. Fatuma's family sent gunmen to the SOS hospital, saying she was as good as dead, without a womb. We had consent from her husband to do whatever was necessary to save her life Dr Bashir Sheikh Mogadishu doctor defends his actions The family demanded 50 camels from the doctor - the traditional Somali compensation offered for the death of a woman. Prompted by this story, Africa Live! looks at how childbearing or childlessness affects a woman's identity and status. Is a woman only worth the children she bears? To what extent would you go - as a man or a woman - to get a baby? Read other ppl's responses / post your own I'm a little surprised that the worth of a woman is being questioned by Somalis. I didn't think that Somalis were that ignorant :eek: Perhaps, some folks are misusing the case to make some money... Or is this a case of prejudiced reporting? Whats thinks you :confused:

Salaams, This weeks hadiith covers the importance / benefits of seeking knowledge Narrated Abu Waqid Al-Laithi: While Allah's Apostle was sitting in the mosque with some people, three men came. Two of them came in front of Allah's Apostle and the third one went away. The two persons kept on standing before Allah's Apostle for a while and then one of them found a place in the circle and sat there while the other sat behind the gathering, and the third one went away. When Allah's Apostle finished his preaching, he said, "Shall I tell you about these three persons? One of them be-took himself to Allah, so Allah took him into His grace and mercy and accommodated him, the second felt shy from Allah, so Allah sheltered Him in His mercy (and did not punish him), while the third turned his face from Allah and went away, so Allah turned His face from him likewise. " Saheeh Bukhari

Originally posted by Seven of Nine: Amaani I still think you're taking this whole thing out of context. This is a school..where every student is expected to dress the same! thats da rule . Which part of school uniform doesnt register well with you? This is not a general debate on "dress code" but a specific one. The part where you have disobey your creator to make your head teacher happy. If, for a moment you put your personal perception on correct hijab aside; Assuming, that the sister in question is right in her opinion that Muslimah MUST wear the jilbaab where ever she goes and not doing so is disobedience to Allah. Would you still advocate for school rules? Is the schools uniform more important than the Islamic uniform – and has the school the right to refuse access to Muslim students. Furthermore, would you dismiss this sister as an extremist when other British schools with uniforms allow their students to wear the jilbaab. Would you still dismiss her when the law of the state supports her case (after all gaalos are not all bad- so why underestimate them?) .. and when the said school is has now reviewed their idiotic policy? Even in muslim countries, students are expected to adhere to school rules and regulations..and the specific school uniform that's considered modest and practical. I don’t know about Muslim countries – most of their schools don’t even adher to the Islamic principles of providing separate schools for boys and girls etc. In the case of Somalia, the hijaab was actually banned by the former government. – but there was a uniform. Personally, I went to school in KSA, it was girls only - but we still had to wear our hijaabs to school and back! And it went nicely with our uniform Most Islamic schools in the UK have the same policies. NGONGE No questioning of your wisedom dear, but a new glasses might help

HAPPY BIRTHDAY sistah! May Allah bless you always

*cough, cough* Stop it with that sprinkiling rubish, it's getting in my eyes :mad: different school? Truth was talking about the school in Luton was he not? My dear, the first article clearly say ‘Icknield High School in Luton’ ..... Perhaps it’s old age Read it again uncle gee - both articles talk of the same school Also, this is a secular state- I didn't deny that. In fact, I'm a voter, remember? So the only laws you can use are secular laws that do consult religious texts in these matters. Otherwise, any fool can claim that it is against their religion to do such and such. I thought that would have been obvious. But if your wise ness requires convincing, maybe you should contact the CRE? As for Scholars….. I must have missed the scholarly opinion there, can you quote that for me *bad eye sight must be infectious But, anyhoot! Did you hear about Mr. Badawis verdict on Hijab during the France fiasco? 'Scholars aren't always right, dear! Speaking of which the 3rd link was for this article … interestingly enough – it states the British stance on the hijab in schools issue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3477109.stm I copied the second one twice. *applies blusher on cheeks*

It is bidcah. The Prophet (saw) used his fingers to make dikr, thats the sunnah. During the time of the Prophet (saw) the beads were used by the Catholic Priests (and still is). So it isn't a new invetion but rather a new addition to Islamic worship. There is also another hadeeth, were Umar (ra) came upon a group of Muslims who were making their tasbeeh and counting it with rocks - he asked them what they were doing and when they told him, he reminded that is is not from the Sunnah.... (I'll post the hadeeth when I get it). Basically, we have an authentic sunnah, which is to use your fingers to say tasbeex - why leave it from some parctice of polytheists? Salaams

^^^^*Ahem, oh wise one :rolleyes: . Criticism is to be based on the Quran and the Sunnah. The jilbaab is considered an appropriate form of hijaab according to the Islamic texts. What right has anyone to detest this? Especially as they fail to back their opinions up with any evidence from the Islamic texts? Look at this logically, why should the school not let her dress according to the guidelines set by Islam. I mean it's not like she's wearing a niqaab and posing any security threats to any one in the school. There is absolutely no reason for banning the jilbaab in schools, there are many schools in East London where young Muslimas are allowed to wear their jilbaabs on the premise that they wear a jilbaab that is the same colour as the school uniform… is that so difficult? Seven of Nine The infringement right to dress as your religion dictates is a concept supported by British law- the race Relations Act and the right to religious freedom require that schools provide access to education for all students – and to respect and facilitate for their religious practice (providing prayer facilities, time of class for prayer, amendments to school uniforsm - parents even have the right to request that their children be excluded from certain calsses) on the condition that it doesn’t cause harm to the students or others. Maybe ya'll should look into the history behind the religious rights laws.... Here are the articles….. School lifts ban Legal Action Even the government backs the girl

Alhadulilah, after some lobbying the girl won the case and is allowed to wear her jilbaab. It's amazing how the gaalos are more tolerant of 'extreme' forms of hijaab than some Muslims. In times like these, we should be supporting each other not pickering over minute issues within ourselves. It's a wonder, Muslims are constantly subjected to humilation :rolleyes: Anyways, I'll post the updated article when I find it. Salaams

I give up. Clearly, I am far too smart for all this guess work... :cool: Originally posted by 508: not even one mistake... i think it is about time i utalize my intelligence ... peace *Ahem, not quiet so, dear! I was introduced to "Petals Around the Rose" by Dr. Richard Duke at the University of Michigan . Dr. Duke used to begin each of his gaming/simulation courses with this exercise. While some students would solve the problem right away, others would struggle all semester. It had taken Dr. Duke well over a year himself, and he would always explain that the smarter you were, the longer it took to figure it out.

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