Inaa Lilaah, what was that saying nin dhintey kabtiisaa dhaanta. Fahad like every other Muslim made mistakes and made some good. I doubt that yous lot are GREAT Muslims - so let the dead be, shall we? May Allah have mercy on the dead and guide the living...

:mad: :mad: Granny, 74, has heart attack after gun cop ordeal Exclusive by Shirin Aguiar 29/7/2005 A MUSLIM FAMILY told Blink of their ordeal after armed cops terrified a disabled grandmother causing her to suffer a heart attack. The west London mosque near the gun terror incident. The incident began when three plain-clothed cops brandishing large weapons confronted Somali mother Aziza Hassan, 39, her young son Ahmed Omar, and 74-year-old grandmother Kadija Hassan. It is alleged that armed police trained their guns on the 12-year-old boy as they walked to their local mosque in Queens Park, west London, last Friday afternoon. Brave granny Kadija leaped forward to protect her grandson, putting herself between the child and the armed cops. She was pushed against the wall by officers and suffered a heart attack. shaking Kadija was rushed to hospital where she is awaiting an operation. In an exclusive interview, Aziza Hassan told Blink that her mother walks with a stick and fell over after she was shoved by police. Aziza said: “She tried to protect him. They pushed her away from my son and she fell against the wall. "She walks with a stick. She can’t control her balance. The stick fell down and she fell in the corner. She started breathing very heavily.†Aziza, who has two other children aged nine and 10, said she was still in a state of shock. She said: “I was shaking, I couldn’t control it. It’s a horrible feeling. Always innocent people pay the price. It’s really horrible. He’s a child. He’s just coping.†terrified She said the incident had destroyed her faith in the police. “They have to do these things but why didn’t they come and knock on the door and look in the house? I was terrified. I thought, ‘Oh my God, it's finished'. I thought that was the last thing. I wouldn’t wish for my worst enemy to be in that position. Aziza Hassan "I feel very angry about these police. My mother can’t even walk properly. I was terrified. I thought, ‘Oh my God, it's finished'. "I thought that was the last thing. I wouldn’t wish for my worst enemy to be in that position. "I just want to stay in peace. I just want to respect the law in the country. I want to be one of the British people.†Ironically the family fled the troubles in their native Somalia 15 years ago to seek refuge in Britain. Her son Ahmed revealed that he hated police now. He said he thought he was going to die after cops appeared out of nowhere and trained their guns at his back. Ahmed told BBC 5Live: “Undercover police came out with massive guns and they were pointing at me, my back. They all started shouting at me, ‘Put your hands up, put your hands up.’ I thought they were going to shoot me.†"The schoolboy described his terror as he tried to freeze: “They were aiming at my back. "I couldn’t turn round because I was scared they might shoot me. I was really shocked actually. I was scared and shocked. It’s hard to believe that happened.†Ahmed insisted that three guns were trained on him by the officers. After the incident Mrs Hassan voluntarily helped police with their enquiries at a station for eight hours. But she has not received an apology from them over the incident and has filed a complaint against them. Her mother is still in hospital. Police, who are saying nothing while they investigate, were looking for Mrs Hassan’s ex-husband Abbi Omar in relation to the men suspected of last week's failed suicide attacks in London. Omar, 41, of Tulse Hill, south London, had visited on July 15 to say goodbye to the children because he was going abroad. He said he would be back in Britain on July 24 but has been uncontactable since. Mrs Hassan is estranged from her husband but says she does not believe he is a terrorist. The family flat, where he stayed occasionally, was raided by police last Friday and the family computer taken away. raided Mrs Hassan and the three children were allowed to return on Wednesday. Former Stephen Lawrence race lawyer Imran Khan was last night expected to hold talks with the family. Mrs Coming so close on the heels of the botched police operation which saw Brazilian electrician Jean Charles de Menezes die an execution-style death on an underground station, this latest incident is set to fuel more controversy on the methods used by police. Inayat Bunglawala from the Muslim Council of Britain said while there was a “tremendous amount of pressure on police†there was no reason to mistreat Kadija Hassan or point guns at a 12-year-old. serious Yasmin Qureshi, the Muslim advisor to London Mayor Ken Livingstone, said questions needed to be asked and lessons learned. “This is an extremely serious and worrying incident." This is an extremely serious and worrying incident. Yasmin Qureshi Scotland Yard said its directorate of professional standards would be investigating the matter and appealed for people with information to come forward. Abdulkarim Khalil, director of the Muslim Cultural Heritage Centre in Acklam Road, where the family were on their way, said police behaviour was out of order. He said: "Our concern are that people coming to the mosque need not be approached like that. If there is any need to speak to them, there is no need to use arms because people are willing to speak. "They will co-operate with the police. Anybody will ill intentions, we have to cooperate to stop them. The community are part of the solution, not the problem." He added: "We have good community relations. There is no need for this behaviour, especially on an elderly woman. That's the sad part of it. The shock and pushing round an elderly lady and at the end, there was nothing. To be treated like that is just beyond her comprehension. Dr Khalil said that up to 4,000 people, including non-Muslims, visit the centre a week, with around 1,500 men, women and children attending for prayers on Fridays. Since the 7/7 bombings, the mosque has had round-the-clock police protection. He has raised concerns over the incident with police, seeking reassurance that community relations were not compromised by such "unfortunate" incidents, adding "That's not going to serve anyone's interests." Source

Stoic, Lol! Bless! Read the profiles, dee *passes NGONE some water* Perhaps this will cheer you up... Island of Lady Blessed :cool:

The weather is perfect I say. Not too cold, not too hot - I don’t really like British heat. and what are my chances of not getting hassled at the airport? Very dim! There's actually a policy for checking up on Somalis with non-British EU passports. We get many caydh immigrants and unfortunately N.Americans get bullied by the IA- one of my cousins was delayed for 8 hours last summer... It's prolly worse with bombing. Prepare, to be made to sit around for a few hours. Pack a good book, maybe. and .. finaly- There’s plenty to do especially at this time of the year. If you like the Theatre (London is place for this); The Big Life is a must see. Enjoy, bruv

My Husband. He can do the stressing for us, look for food, shelter, comfort and entertain me . Me, would just sit pretty and take in the beauty of an Island. Aaah! what a life, I've always wanted my own Island- wow!

Salaams and Mansha Allah... I agree with WoL, www.soundvision.com is a nice web resource for Muslim teens. There's also a section for parents / teachers on Islamic education which might be useful for you. As for my recommendations; The Islamic Studies Series by Abu Ameenah Bilaal Philips is a good starting point. Bilaal Philips Website I'd also recommend Sheikh Anwar Awlakis' lectures on the Biographies of the Prophets (as) and the Sahaabas. Anyway, a general rule with teens is to appeal to their interests. Say, if your bother is into history / geography looking at Muslim inventors, empires etc. is a good way of exploring Islamic identity etc... Hope that helps..

^ It's the marfish! That's where Farax's get radicalised and 'adhionised'.. Haddad, Doth thou mock me?

^Esh calaa gabay! Didn't think you spoke Somali Qudhac Walaalo xishood. She's not a politician, so no need to insult her.

Apparently, one of them used to play football with the local boys. I'm going to try and get details from my little bro, i'a… Damn, I can guess tomorrow’s news headlines already: -Somalis Attack London! -Somalia: Hotbed for Terrorists! -‘We let them in our country, gave them benefits’ gave them housing and look how they repay us' -'Forget donkey meat, they're after human meat' ...shidh iyo nidh!

^ Welcome back I like, you should have more bad days if they make you this creative. In fact, I'll swap lifes with you because if you go through what I'm anticipating - you'll be rich, rich and famouse. ..or would that be me in your shoes. xaaax indeed oh' and big - sound of me logging off...

^ Racist! We get so engrossed with the trees, that we’re forever lost in the forest. Carry on. Please

^It is darling, it is! I've always been anti-police terror but it doesn't change my views about London. I don't even understand why people are making such a big deal about being in a state of emergency. The whole world is! I still remember the IRA in the early nineties. London is used to it, why it's getting played up..ilahay baa og! In all honesty, I'm more scared of getting attacked by one of those weirdo rapists and randome killers then being blown up on the bus. It's the Muslim connection with it and the consequent backlash that bothers me. 7ofNine, He was the only real person in the house, na mean? He had essence, character and dameer. The rest disgust me *shrugs*

^Hmmmmm! That could be a good thing, noh! I wonder when the sales will kick in. :cool: I needs some shopping therapy after all that confusion. I'm worried about police terror, am definately uneasy about this new shoot to kill policy, shooting into homes. I don't like it one bit :mad: Anyways, Londoners. Stay cool, life goes on till your time is up and make sure to read ayat kursi before you go out. Power to the people and all that...Science is evicted.. I needs to find something else to watch.

:rolleyes: :eek: Silly aniga! Thought this topic really was about charity. *yawns* as you were...

Salaams, I don’t see the point of deleting that article; providing that Ayaan Hersi who is even more antagonistic towards Islam and Allah is often given platform in SOL. If we’re anti-blasphemy, we should be consistent about it. Ngonge, I don't know dear. You must enjoy getting yourself into trouble Anyway, did you see Irshad Manji on News Night the other night? It just demonstrated the trouble with Manji. Her whole argument against Islam is that the followers aren’t allowed to practice ijtihad. Yet, on that debate with Iqbal Sacarni (I love this man); she states that the Quran is so vague that terrorists can misinterpret it for their own benefits. Duh! That is exactly why personal ijtihad is not allowed in Islam! Iqbal explained it to her that you need both the Quran and the established traditions to come to an Islamic verdict. I do agree with Ngonge, her ilk shouldn’t be ignored as there are many who lack the knowldge of Islam and can get misguided by it. I've seen other websites where she is actually praised - by 'contenporary' (I want my own version of Islam) type of Muslims

Personally, my main concern with taking out a mortgage where am at is the act of making a conscience decision to make a home here. I never wanted to spend my life in a non-Muslim country – so why sign a 25 year debt contract when I could easily make a life in a Muslim country... As for the topic; generally a credit card debt can be paid off with a/2 months wages (if you own more then that- you have my duca). You can even avoid interest by choosing your provider carefully and paying off the balance before they start charging interest On the other hand; a bulk of your mortgage is the interest, you can actually spend 10 years only paying off the interest … you do the maths.

Baashe, dear thanks for the clarification. Irrespective of who campaigns for it, I think it's something that benefits some women. Esp., those who are too weak to put their men in line or lack the sense to choose a helpful mate in the first place. When I first read this, I thought of a lady from that region, who has two disabled children to raise, suffers from kidney failure – and a husband who does nada. I always thought he should be put in jail, put down… Anyway, I don’t like to speculate on cultures I don’t know too much about.. but it must be an issue in Spain if it’s approved by the MPs there. P.s I do like the Marwo label…Garcia Originally posted by 7 of Nine: I abhor any law that interferes with family structure and function. Including the Sharia? Which is both flexible and very clear about household chores. I don't have time to go into the details, but am sure if interested you can get it yourself. In my opinion certain legislations pose to challenge unquestioned views about certain matters.

^^Naa heedhe, reer London maxaa kugu direy? Walee, I've a good mind to fly over to UAE and beat you with my weger... :mad: LOl@ the rest.... Thanks Nunu

Ooops Trust me, not many in SOL come close.

Waaku sidee, abwaan is nacay baan kuu hastey e...lolI've tried google for Somali songs before. Gidaar madhan buu ii diraa. But nevermind, I'll ask my Aabo.

^^^... geed baa loo fadhiisan jirey >...Gabdhihii waxay leeyihiin Allah, Baashoow heestaa jeceliyaa! You don't happen to know all the lyrics do ya?

Muchos grande :cool: Thanks for bringing this development to light Senor Baashe. Laakin, must one be considered a feminist to think this is a good idea?

Lol@ Xafsa Neat! Hibo and co, Not freaky at all, it's a healthy habit As for this... Waste of money. Useless!

Right, Coofleh! That I understand *yawns* Habeen Wanaagsan.

Somali Christians though a small minority existed for centauries, they’re bound to have websites - so for me the subject is a no issue. I must say though, the title of this thread is very peculiar. Were you intending to prove that idiom by soliciting negative responses from the nomads? Are you generally poking fun of people of religion or quiet simply making that statement?