^A man was asked maxaa Berbera ku geeyay, suu yidhi; 'faduul' Thanks for the links, babes. One of my best friends was an 'untouchable' she tried to explain to me how horrible her people were treated. It got so bad that her dad changed religions because even in the UK they get looked down on.

Xoogsade smart@ss, you know what I meant. If these girls can't be bothered to cook for their family and help their mothers out why are they so concerned with Farax. There's more to being a wife then your cooking abilities and if a Farax is going to change his mind about a girl, simply because she's domestically challenged, then maybe, he isn't the right Farax for her. I don't see the need to get so insecure about it or to reduce yourselves (ladies) to a mere jaariyad. I'll say it again; every human being should be to cook. It shouldn’t just be a skill to add to guur CV – or the focus of it in this case. Scarlet Sure babes, we'll just go to few restaurants and I'll send some cookbooks your way. You know the ones with the pics that make you droooool..... *feels hungry*

For the love of bariis, malawax and mango lassie; why must everything revolve around a man? At times I feel like grabbing sisters by their hair and bashing their heads against the wall. Walaal, you should know how to cook (and keep your home clean) for your survival . Simple! Mummy will not be around or willing to take care off you forever. Take away food is bad for you and your bank. Originally posted by Scarlet: I never in my life met anyone who loves cooking unless they're making a ridiculous amount of money doing so. I do. I was a little put off when I was at my moms because I was forced to make bariis and hilib eevvvery day. But, I love food, (if I like something, I like tom know how to make it). I also love good cooks (I often invite myself to tejir homes ) and would like to be one like my hooyo one day.

^Hmmmm, am not sure about that now. Some one with knowledge has to execute the contract but I don't know if it has to be an official such as imaam / qaadi as it is with our culture. I'll look it up and get back to you

Salaams A registration marriage is one where you go to the registry office to get married under State law. This alone is not recognised by the sharia. The nikkah is the Islamic marriage contract ceremony where you get married under the sharia law. You need a qaadi, several witnesses, the girls guardian and the groom. There has to be a mahar, a request of and consent of the bride. If these conditions aren't met, the marriage is invalid. The UK does recognize the Islamic marriage but you still need to register to get full rights as a married couple. I'm not aware of any prohibtion of registering your marraige once the nikah process is completed. Where did you get that from?

DA I didn’t opinionate on your faith, so I don’t know where that came from. That’s not the topic here. As far as am concerned, I wear the hijab because Allah commands me to. By not wearing it (as was the case when Ismahan posted this thread) made me a disobedient Muslim in this context. I’ve read and believed the surah where the command of hijab is made but something held me back. The hijab is a part of huge parcel of tenets and actions that make up a Muslim /believer, not wearing doesn't take away your other good deeds or make you a lesser Muslim because you might have qualities that you lack as a hijaabi. That's not the point here and yes, people shouldn't be dismissive of non-hijaabi sisters or taunt them. However, it is and will always be a sin not to wear it, it is disobedience to Allah the Almighty. The Quran is very clear about the hijaab, it's consists of an attitude, intention, not looking at forbidden things and most importantly covering up. Allah has dedicated to ayats to it and there a several hadiths explainning it and it's agreed upon by all Muslim sects.

^True! Hijaab is both internal and external. Whilst most people focus more on the external, you seem to be rejecting it. Allah didn't command us to be modest only our thoughts and action. He also commands us to cover our cawrah ( be modest in our dress). You can't have one without the other. It's like remembering him without preforming the salaah.

Assalamu Alaikum, SubxanAllah, that's scary! The end is niegh but we should be preparing for aakhira regardless.

^Whaaaat! Maxaad tidhi? That's not what the Prophet (saw) said. There is a very specific dress code for the Muslim man, don't you dare try and belittle or brush it aside. If you don’t have the details, search for it, let that be your homework.

Hijab . A turn on? What an oxymoron. :rolleyes: I think the attraction is more about the attitude and spiritual vibe that some hijaabis / beardies have. What the hijaab represents, what it says about the person rather than what’s beneath. I think it's wrong to objectify someone who goes out of his or her way to be modest and respected –as the ayah commands.

Originally posted by Socod_badne: AU, Agree with you completely Bro. Sol has recently been over run by stampeding herd of pouting little girls... causing untoward gender acriminoy, divisions and bad feelings. Time for drastic measures. Any ideas? Why don't you and AU get a cave and get acquainted? Because the pouting little girls are here to stay

Sherezade I remember reading about the (East) African – Indian connection in the Voice a few years ago. I dismissed it as some crazy theory. I also remember reading an article in the Kasmo (Somali) newspaper about the language similarities between Somali and Hindi but I think that’s as a result of the Indian expats (Baniyal ???) that used to live in Somalia. Where in the cast system do the Sindis fit in? Are they on the same level as the untouchables or even lower? I’d love read more on Malaysia (hint). My cousin is living in Penang now but she hates it because of the heat. Yo Yo Man I’ve heard so much about the place. I went to a Paki dominated college and university, I was close to being pacified – ehheheh. What I love about them is their devotion to Islam; even the none-practicing Pakistanis get all heated up when Islam is slightly criticized. I know you get every sect under the sun and a lot of twisted versions of Islam but that’s all the more interesting.

Here's an interesting debate on the opression of Arab women. 'This House believes that Arab women should have full equality with men' It's very simplistic to blame the abuses that go on in some Arab countries on Islam. The issue is far more complex than that. Digaale I agree brother. Islam began as a strange thing and the Prophet (saw) said it will return to it's original state. We now have Muslims (ala Makalajabti, Socod Badne) bashing Islam at any given opportunity instead of seeking the knowledge they obviously lack. Allah help us :rolleyes:

A relative of mine set up a health promotion organisation back home, which educates the locals about this issue. She has set up educational and sewing workshops for the islaamo that carryout the 'surgery' and when they complete the course, they are given their own sewing machine - which gives them something else to stitch up and a means of making a living.

^They sound very familiar don't they? Nomads, if you ever wonder about fish n chips lads, they're right here. Danyeer, That was good bro, haven't read anything this funny for ages, oohin baad iga keentay...lol. Thanks

Sheherazade LOL, but, but they’re so sweet. I've started liking them when I moved here, hard working, honest masakiin and evryone picks on them. Have you been to Pakistan by any chance? I love the people, the culture, the language - I don't understand it but it sounds poetic. I've only ever dreamed of going that far in the East and more recently Malaysia.

....and round and round we go. :rolleyes: Note to self: leave Somali polshitics alone!

That was beautiful, I was thinking this is a nice bedtime story but I hate snakes, the image will stay with caawoo dhan. Thanks, till next time p.s Indians seem so friendly. I've developed strange affection for them since moving here, your stories are reinforcing that.

Only with Somalis! French and UK Connected up ******, we are :rolleyes: It’s not at all complicated. Some one commits a crime against a group of people and they take him to court, it’s between him and that group. His tribe isn’t put to trial and no blame is laid on them. They should excuse themselves. Also, walaal, you know very well why the plaintive are usually from another tribe. Somali antagonism has always been tribal but warlords and ‘government ministers’ didn’t commit any crimes against their own. That doesn’t mean their brethren should give them blind support. Reer hebel take your man to court and you have grievances against their man – go after him instead of perverting the course of justice. It would only be wrong if a Somali government went after few selected people, but when citizens, expatriates for that matter as in these cases do it, I don’t see how this can be called unjust / dismissed as a witch hunt.

This is selective justice carried out by "certain" groups (not a pan-Somali movement). If we go after Somali war criminals, there must be an agreement to go after all of them - those war criminals from the military dictatorship to the war criminals in the post-91 era. Are you for real? Somalis will never agree on that and you know it walaal. Samatar had people defending him solely because of tribal affiliation and so did Qeybdiid and Barre and every other warlord. Shoot, even insignificant little Farah gets backed by his tribe. What is wrong if 'certain groups' pick out an individual who has committed crimes against them? Should they refrain from doing so merely because other groups choose to ignore / forgive those who wrong them? If you were wronged by an individual would you wait on other Somalis or go about it your own way?

^lol! My first topic would be 'How not to share your husband'. I doubt the editor would accept it I'm just saying that some Xaliimos don't help themselves or fikle Mr. Farah. Somalis should only be allowed to get married after passing a crash-course on marriage.

Castro True, Adeer. It’s what leads to a whole deal of problems (apart from polygamy) and even though Islam discourages it, it’s an accepted practice in our community. I don’t get it. Another fad with the dhaqan celis boys is that they marry a girl back home (considered second class for some reason) during their rehab break. Come back to the UK and carry on living as a singleton. Scarlet, It was a ruling establish by Umar (ra) during his khilafat, even mujahids went back home after four months. (Edited)

^There are a lot of distance marriages in our community. The husband would be in the US and the wife in the UK. The wife refuses to move because of Family or whatever, he has a stable job that he doesn't want to leave. He asks her to move but she refuses point blank citing that she doesn't want to be in a place where she doesn't know anyone or whatever. Two, three years down the line, he re-marries. Whose fault is it? As well as being fickle, Farah has needs too I've had a neighbor, who got divorced over this. Only her husband didn't re-marry, she had suspicions that he had a bimbo on the side - that's much worse.

^Brazilian boys? That's juicy, care to tell? Mobile I make full use of all it's functions and I don't worry about getting lost anymore. Internet I use it for work, study, entertainment, shopping and keeping in touch with family. AC I'd be dead without it.

^Somaliland doesn't only belong to one tribe. . Political seperation doesn't negate Somalinimo, walaaltinimo or ones Islam for that matter.