Originally posted by Malika: 58.Never worry about what a 'guy' wants,know what you want/need to fulfil the aim of your life. 59.Living according to someone else's[mens] standard is second hand living me think! Women,would have been much confident,happy people if they had spend the same amount of time thinking about themselves rather then thinking about 'men' and their wants/needs..please! ! Smartest post in this whole post. If you don't know or love yourself, you will not get much out of your relationships. ..and man bashing is pointless.

I don't know what I want this place to be actually. I've gained a lot out of it so I'm not really complaining. Why do you avoid it? I sometimes feel bit uncomfortable with being labelled a wadaad when you discuss Islamic matters. Not that I have a problem with being wadaad but people develop an image of you and then get surprised when they meet you and you're not carrying a meter long tusbax..

Sounds like you're talking to yourself in this corner, eh Malika? The only time people frequent here is when some acts controversial.

Aren't songs meant to be subjective? Maybe he's eedo was super evil. It doesn't mean all eedo are.

LOL. Kanu dira diraaleysanaa, fascism disguised as religious / cultural concern. :rolleyes: So what if the number of Muslims increase through our high fertility. They need more births / children to offset the looming economic / population crises in Europe. I agree totally with Gadafi, it's all about da'wah and good example and ultimately the Qadr of Allah.

^I actually believed you were old, Mr. Until aan FB kaa qishay. You are wise beyond your years.. Masha Allah.

Preach, Zulfa. Calyk noor. Ohhh. Why did they close the ladies beach, is it gone forever?

Wa iyaak. Prostration = sujuud. Basically, the advice is to increase voluntary prayers.

^Well said dear.. I'm interested in nomads response RE love scenes too... C&H First of all as Malika said, we need to establish the meaning and purpose of hijab, xishma, xaya. Like I said - the hijaab is more than what you wear, in fact without the inner hijab - your jilbaab, abaya, long skirt is as NG said, nothing more than fancy dress. Part of inner xijab is not being suggestive, sexual in your demeanor and action. Part of lowering your gaze is not approaching anything that is seductive, sexual or suggestive in any way. Back to the subject at hand. The brother mentioned snogging - which is what we're discussing here not holding hands. There is no offence in hold hands in public, even in conservative culures where PDA is banned. It does not cause discomfort, embarrassment and does not as you stated of snogging in public show a lack of xishood It's not sexual nor is it paricularly intimate gesture between lovers as I can hold hands with my mum, daughters, father.. The bottom line of snogging etc.. is that it's a sexually intimate act. Do we agree, if not.. then we'll just have to leave it here. If so, here's the hadith mentioned by Malika and also have a look a the tafsir of Quran 4.58. Read the ayah and the tafsir, I'A. I don't have any tafsir book to hand.. “On the Authority of Asmaa Bin Yazid who narrated that she was once in the presence of the Prophet and there were both me and women sitting. The prophet then said perhaps a man might discuss what he does with his wife; or perhaps a woman might inform someone what she did with her husband. The people were silent. Then I said O yes O messenger of Allah verily both the women and men do that. The prophet said do not do that. It is like a male Satan who meets a female Satan along the way and has sex with her while the people look in (Reported by Ahmed) I can't tell you, so I certainly can't show you. p.s Not all Islamic rulings are from Quran and hadith alone. A large portion of our deen is from ijtihaad of scholars and Allah commands us in the Quraan to ask 'the people of knowledge'. Most contemporary issues require ijtihaad. NG, LOL. You just wanted to argue with me, darling. We said more or less the samething. Ibts.. Muxuu kugu sameeyay?

C&H I'm sorry, I was under the impression we were in agreement that snogging your hubby in public is xaram. :confused: I'm also sensing that you define hijab as the Muslim womans outer covering alone? Looks like we're not even on the same chapter. LOL.

I've posted two more comments explaining that already. I said nothing about how it reflects on other hijabis. So, you're being pointless by using it as a stand alone argument on what I've said. p.s you're misssing Ibti, aren't you?

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ I did. You said something like 'it makes a mockery of the hijab'! (I'm mocking your mockery). I wasn't mocking.

NG, I didn't bring other hijabis (Muslimahs in general) into the equation. You need to read my comments again. Slowly..

Religion may be random to some but faith never is. You either believe in God or don't, there's no in between.

Originally posted by chocolate & honey: quote:i'm not sure if I understood this clearly. Yes, they / we are supposed to live by a different code, which is supposed to cover every aspect of our lives. Lol. Walaalo just because you wear hijab doesnt mean that you're supposed to be a model for all thats good. Ought to is not always what is . I accept that 'the ought to is not always what is', I accept that many young women are forced to wear hijab without understanding it's meaning and purpose but all this is beside the point, walaal. This action directly contradicts the very essence of hijab (hishma), which is the only reason that I pointed it out. That no one is perfect does not mean we should down play the importance / benefits of Islamic injunctions. Down playing sins is actually worse than committing them. We all fall short and make mistakes, we should over look each others short comings.. but we still have a duty to call a spade a spade (enjoin good and forbid evil) not only to benefit others but because we're also subjected to Allahs judgement, do you get my meaning?

I'm a nomad! I don't tie myself down to any nation. I still have and carry with me my deen and the bits that I like of the dhaqan. It's working for me, so Alhamdulilah.

Originally posted by chocolate & honey: Why does it make a mockery of hijab? Are they supposed to live by a differnt code? i'm not sure if I understood this clearly. Yes, they / we are supposed to live by a different code, which is supposed to cover every aspect of our lives. What if it was a girl wearing a long skirt, long shirt and scarf? Apart from the xishood issue , whats the probmlem? Xishood / xayaa is the social manifestation of the inner xijab (for men and women) which is far more important than clothes. It is the characteristic of our ummah. That's the issue here and all the other things Islam teaches us about social responsibility, privacy, codes of intimacy, etc.. They can be as affectionate and as raunchy as they like but in the privacy of their own homes- that's what the Quran and sunnah teach us. p.s the phrase 'let Allah judge' is becoming somewhat of a cliche in this forum. Pointing out the place of an action in our faith doesn't mean that we're dishing out passes to heaven or hell or in and out of Islam. We're supposed to be 'mirrors' of each other as Muslims and that involves the messy business of pointing out a 'blackhead' when we see one. And yes, I'm covered in blackheads myself. That still doesn't disolve me of my resposiblity towards my deen my fellow Muslims.

It obviously makes mockery of hijab but who cares, right?

Originally posted by Uniqueness: Blessed, how can K’NAAN compete with top poets, when all he does is copy those exact poets? I’m frankly disappointed when it comes to his lack of originality! Apart from a few songs where he uses traditional Somali songs in his hook- I don't know of any plagiarism? I was talking about the narrative and depth of their work. Warsan Shire is also a very talented young sister who evokes emotions with her works. This sister just didn't do it for me, if I'm honest.

LOL. I know, you're teasing him. You girls do realise that he was using 'whatever' very loosely. Ilayn waa nin eh. On the topic, I don't label myself but xaajiyadaha with the stick hadith and feminists are the last people I'd take marriage advice from. In fact, my only guru is hooyo.

What's wrong with a get away with the girls?

Bob, walaal. Jizaak Allah khair for the naseeha. My teacher was talking about this in halaqah this morning, how we fail to see the barakah in the trials and fail to be grateful in the good times.

^ @ woxoon. 'Cantarbaqash' ku daa. Waanan kugu raacsanahay rayigaas, cidlay 'five ku hayaan' as they say in Burco.

^Bal sadexdaa eray af somaali ku qor..

Abdi Fanah waa fantastic..