The folks that are saying it's unislamic to say "marry christmas" or sing christmas songs need to come with their proff!

Yeah, but like any truely democratic election system, . votes don't come free

Castro, such nice things to say about LSK. are you kissing up? Do i sense moderator aspirations? Maybe I should give him my vote too and that might help me in my aspirations as well

Originally posted by Fathia: I can not understand the point of celebrating Christmas. For one the actual birth of Christ was not on 25 Dec. This festival was originally celebrated by the pagans. Songs like you watched the Boondocks last night

Originally posted by Castro: As for Jingle Bell Rock, it's a nice song that happens to be a christmas song whose lyrics are benign and tune is melodic. Not all CHristmas songs are like that. like saying Joy to the world is not a benign song Look at the lyrics to it: Joy to the World Joy to the world! the Lord is come; Let earth receive her King; Let every heart prepare Him room, and heaven and nature sing, and heaven and nature sing, and heaven, and heaven and nature sing. Joy to the earth! the Savior reigns; Let men their songs employ; while fields and floods, rocks, hills and plains Repeat the sounding joy, Repeat the sounding joy, Repeat, repeat the sounding joy. No more let sins and sorrows grow, nor thorns infest the ground; He comes to make His blessing flow far as the curse is found, far as the curse is found, far as, far as the curse is found. He rules the world with truth and grace, and makes the nations prove the glories of His righteousness, and wonders of His love, and wonders of His love, and wonders, wonders of His love.

Volume isn't everything.... volume just mean you have alot of down time at work. I put my vote behind Zu.

Castro, Christmas Carolling is taking it a little too far! Don't you think there is something wrong with signing Christmas Carols like Silent Night, 'From Heaven Above to Earth I Come', and the well known 'Hark! The Herald Angels Sing'?

Wallahi, maryoolay meelkasto ay joogaan you will know them by their qaxooti look

Why do they call it Somaliland? From what I've read that's what gaalka, gumeestaha use to call that area when he were raping our people. Why acknowledge him by accepting his terms? That seems to me something a b!tch ni99a would do. Why not name the state something somali instead of using the language of gumeestaha? And Puntland too... I thought somali people couldn't even pronounce the letter P, so how are you going to have a country there who's name starts with P? Shouldn't they call it Buntland

Why do they call it Somaliland? From what I've read that's what gaalka, gumeestaha use to call that area when he were raping our people. Why acknowledge him by accepting his terms? That seems to me something a b!tch ni99a would do. Why not name the state something somali instead of using the language of gumeestaha? And Puntland too... I thought somali people couldn't even pronounce the letter P, so how are you going to have a country there who's name starts with P? Shouldn't they call it Buntland

freedom at last eeh Jamilah! now life really starts. what castro said is good advice. i wish someone told me those things when i got out of high school. more then anything else watch and care for your finances by avoiding debt and work on building your credit. Damn those Asian!

The news article about non Christian Asians celebrating Christmas show's that for many people (maybe the majority of people?) Christmas has little or no religion conotations and is seen simply as a "holiday". To them celebration of Christmas is no different from celebrating thanks giving or mothers day. if Christmas is just another holiday with no religions significance, then how is saying “marry Christmas” different from saying “happy new years” or “happy thanksgiving”?

Señor Castro, I think the best course of action for us to return to the issue of discussion here. That is why do somali Naago (and men!) like cadaan people? And the bigger question which is why do they marry non somali's in the first place?

MMA makes a great point. Why is it that when something nice is said of the Somali people, you point out the bad, and one someone even hints that there maybe something wrong with, say indhayer such as in aa ay cunaan, you jump to the defence and attack like vicious hyenas who smell blood of a defendless victim.

with regards to the 'the hoopla and consumerism surrounding Christmas ' here is an interesting article in the news about Christmas celebrations in Asia by non Christians. Asia celebrates Christmas with a twist By Nur Dianah Suhaimi Sun Dec 18, 9:09 AM ET SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Few Asians are Christian but people across the vast continent are embracing the holiday as a great excuse for shopping, partying and even romance. Come December, Christmas lights brighten shopping streets in cities from Beijing to Colombo, while images of Santa Claus and Rudolph adorn office buildings, shops and restaurants. Shopping malls in Indonesia, the country with the largest number of Muslims, play carols like "Silent Night" and "Jingle Bells" through speakers during the year-end holiday season. "Most workers here are Muslim but we also celebrate Christmas just like we celebrate Eid al-Fitr. We are complementing each other with these costumes and ornaments," said Jakarta restaurant receptionist Lina Novianti, wearing a red Santa Claus hat. The Moslem celebration Eid al-Fitr marks the end of fasting during Ramadan. Every year the Indonesian president and top officials attend national Christmas celebrations with church groups. Read More here

Castro et al., Kashanre, you said about this mother and her baby that "Later on, when he (the baby) turns out to be abusive, and he is verbally abusing his girlfriend/lover/wife, who do you think should be blamed? The child or the motheR?" And I answered your question. Spousal abuse is a crime right? So someone who engages in it is a criminal. And having a girlfriend and "lover" is immoral. So I said the mom should be blamed for having this and razing him that way. Where did I say I hate anyone?

Where is a map of Somaliland and Puntland?

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: First of all, let me applaud you for breaking the record for most called out word, JAREER, you used it like it was running off shelves tonight. Haniif the comic, you may or may not have TIMO JILICSAN sweetie, but that doesn't mean you have a right to call an innocent child jareer. You probably have a bigger noise than the boy in question, what makes him more jareer than you?? Lets shift focus from the "JAREER" business. If I may, I want to bring you back to reality haniif. Sweetie there are somali criminals, incase it slipped your mind, there are bad somali people out there in the world, just like all ethinicities have bad apples, the buck doesn't stop with anyone but somalis. SOMALIS ARE BAD PEOPLE, THEY CAN INFLUENCE YOU IN MORE WAYS THAN YOU CAN COUNT. IF THE CHILD TURNS OUT TO BE ABUSIVE, NOT CRIMINAL, BECAUSE I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIM BEING CRIMINAL, IT WILL BE ON THE HANDS OF HIS HATEFUL MOTHER. LETS JUST HOPE HE GETS A BETTER INFLUENCE THAN THAT WOMAN WHO WAS DESCRIBED AT THE GROCERY SHOP. OK, no one is talking about peoples hair and noise here. This women married this non somali guy and had a baby that was that way. If she didn't have that baby with that non somali guy, she would not have had a criminal and imorral baby. and yes there are somali criminals but they are not like the criminal that woman gave birth to. Are you encorageing somali women to marry nonsomali and have a baby like that women? Do you want them to have criminal and immoral children?

Originally posted by Castro: ^ WTF? Dude, any "faq gaal jareer" is better than a Somali that thinks like you. Uff. Why you have insult me? I am making the point that this she married an africa america and had that baby with him. Do you think she would have had that baby if she married a Somali?

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: Later on, when he turns out to be abusive, and he is verbally abusing his girlfriend/lover/wife, who do you think should be blamed? The child or the motheR? After all, it is leaving a scar somewhere in that child's mind, and its a d*mn shame. yeah, she should be blamed. if he beats his wife and kids and becomes a criminal it is because that's how these jareer are, and because she had a baby with a jareer, she had criminal jareer child. so she should be blamed for that. if that jareer has a 'lover' and turns a faq, it's because she married a gaal jareer, and had a faq gaal jareer baby. so it's her fault. And she should be a lesson to all those somali girls thinking about having babies with jareer... if you do, you'll end up with faq gaal jareer baby. so just think about that before you go for a jareer.

LayZieGirl, before getting with a indhayer; just make sure you can fix him his fav. dishs and meals: namely, duck blood soup, fried rat, and make sure he doesn't eat your fist baby. http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/china.html

You know, the issue of Somali men or woman marrying white people has been talk about for a long time.... and alot of people talk about if it's right or wrong and why people do it in the first place. My thoughts were express nicely by a brother on one of the other somali forums when this issue came up. He said: "i would never marry a white lady even if she born as muslim cos white people have strange birth diseases ..they will give u children wit syndromes ...i dont think somali gurls will give us sick children mayb warriors yes....white ladies are dangerous too they marry u and have children den they take u their countries and they say dis husband beats and let me do things by force and they let u divorce her and she take the babies if they r too young. i have seen alot of man dat had dis situation and they r all non white. so somali men dont be attracted to white ladies ...dont look at the white colour try and look deep into her. and hey we have white people in somalia too .like reer xamar and how come we dont marry .dem they muslim too. u cant just mary anyone on earth..somali people always marry somali people not even arabs dat much cos they trust each other." So while the issue he was address was about somali men marrying white women; I think many of his ideas hold true for somali women marrying white men. So to all the somali girls here talking about how they wanna mary a white guy and have a baby with blue eyes and yellow hair; just keep in mind that you might end up having a baby with 3 blue eyes and yellow hair

Conspiracy., thanks dude. I got a client now and a good site was I really needed and torrentspy is it.

Why do they all look like they're from an Internet time cabsul dated Feb. 12, 1996!

How do you get to be a mod? thats what i wanna know. do you bribe or kiss up to key people, if so who? If it's you, I compliment you on that last post you made. It was both enlightening and entertaining, like your other one before that.