Mudanahan baarlamaan ayaa ugu baaqay Madaxweynaha dawladda KMG ah in uu la yimaado Iscasilaad, hadii uu doonayo maslax Soomaaliyeed, waa sida uu hadalka udhigaye, isagoo ku eedeyeey Shariif in uu waxba ka qaban waayay xaaladaha amaan iyo horey udhaqaajinta dhaqdhaqaaqa dawladda KMG ah ee Soomaaliya. My advise to Sharif is to hand over his resignation letter on the eve of his one year anniversary before this escalates any further. I don't understand why people insist that this man keep his job when he is unfit to lead? He does not have the respect and loyalty of his comrades, some MPs are now calling for his resignation, soon, if he does not oblige, they will undermine him, which will follow up with another ugly period of our history. Sad really, I didn't think Sharif would fail us as a leader but he is too dependent on outside forces and too lenient to do any real work on behalf of the people. Unless Sharif can come up with a quick and efficient military proposal to defeating the M**ryaan quickly and effectively in the next little while, I just can't see how he will ever fulfill his duties as a President. The Somali Shacab do not need a ceremonial figure.

^ , yes, very angry. You sounded as thought inuu Tuujiska "qaras" kugu kiciyo mar walbo aad aragto waxa uu qoro. (PS: I edited the part about u, but please, let us refrain from engaging personalities, lets just keep our eye on the prize, shall we?)

^kaalay, why aa mar walbo wiilkaas ugu kacsan tahay? (there is a reason why I attached reading tips with the article, it was meant to guide you to read critically and no reading critically does not mean to narrowly focus on his sexual orientation or his personality but more so, focusing on the content as a whole, is the grievance legitimate? If not, why? Did he overstate some points and not others? What are those? But then again, I expected nothing less from the usual crowd) Ibti, what a breath of fresh air you are. Yes, exactly, that's the basis of my argument and furthermore, I would love nothing more than to finally put this topic to rest, as long as you limit your quotes to: 1) What Allah Said 2) What the prophet (PBUH) said 5) Your final analysis I expect you to use 1 & 2 as a primary source but only use 3, 4 as a secondary source to help strengthen your interpretation of 1&2 but not as a final verdict of what is deemed admissible. (I only reject 3&4 because interpretations change with time, so what one generation thought of an issue would change based on the circumstances of the said period etc, thats why we can only use legitimate quotes from the Qur'an as a guiding principle and everything else should be considered as a secondary. This is because, an argument can be made that 3&4 looked after the interest of one group more than the other based on the need to limit the movement of the opposite sex) If you agree to above terms, we will have ourselves a good, hearty debate and we will only limit to those terms, nothing more, nothing less... PS: you are right about north and c&H, they just want muran iney ii galan and take my eyes off the ball, BURKA and I refuse, therefore, they are officially dismissed as unworthy opponents who failed miserably at the task of forming an argument for Burka.

^absolutely...and yes, I will be waiting. Ibti, I'm in full agreement with the basics but BURKA is where I draw the line in the sand. PS: Not hijab/head scarf, but Burka, the awful, hyperventilating garment@C&H.

^north, read the post before last, establish yourself and only then will we proceed, until then, we are wasting time here.(nowhere to hide north) PS:What does freedom of religion in the west have to do with the relevance of the Burka? You did not make a case for the Burka as a religious obligation, but when and if you do, only then can we take the next step, which is the freedom of religion and how it pertains to the garment. (Let us not jump courses, baby steps here North, its the only way we will have a fruitful discussion)

Ibti, on page 2, I wrote the following: LayZieG says: Burka is not obligatory, therefore its irrelevant and should not be forced in women's throat. In addition, Burka is a middle east phenomena and therefore it should be dismissed, unless the few women who wear it feel that they need to continue supporting the material as a way of life, an attire that identifies the woman within the confinement of her society, other than that, total ban should be called on the attire. In the west, I think the garment should totally be banned but if few women decided to wear it and do so with the understanding that it is a personal decision, they can do it within the confinement of their home. The reality is that when you go to an Arab country, as a woman, you have to cover up(gaal or no gaal), more or less, and in the west, when you are here, you have to take off the burka. Before we establish such ruling, I suggested that we should debate the relevance of the Burka, is it obligatory or is it voluntary? Once we reach an understanding, only then can we take a vote on the total ban of the garment. 2) So far, the case was made for those that only do it because they were ordered to do, but if you want to make the case for the other side, by all means, I'm all ears. 3) It is harmful to children, young females and it should only be worn with the understanding that it is not obligatory and then see how many women keep it on. 4) Thats what we are establishing, the relevance of the ban but first we must determine whether or not Islam dictates it and I'm still waiting for North, the leader of the no crowd to dazzle me.(unless you want to take over?) PS:Ibti, first we must establish an argument, debate it then come to a conclusion, only then can we truly free individuals from the burden of this awful garment Pss: Yes, we do agree on most issues and hopefully we can come to an understanding about the Burka.

C&H, there is not much I can do for someone who washes her hands off reading posts that pertain to her questions. I simply told you, C&H, read my posts as that addresses all of your questions, with the exception of the personality questions, which I already said will not do because it will take the focus off the Burka.(maybe another thread, you can ask all the questions that your heart desires) But I'm curious C&H, why did you refusue to read my post from yesterday(the one I posted before you), why is that sister? (its only on page 2) Again, there is not much I can do about someone who wants to hear herself, in this case, read her writings when she refuses to engage the other person on the basis of what they are writing, after all, it is difficult as it is to debate in a forum(with people logging on different times). Don't make this more difficult than it already is, time is ticking, lets hear your position and your supporting arguments already? As for North, typical North, whenever he finds himself cornered, he looks for an exit. North, you can't possibly be serious about the so called expert that was posted, the one who did the piece on time speaking about women issues? She is a convert who has an axe to grain, surely, she can not be considered an authority on the subject? Just as I dismissed her then, I will do it again, hope that clears things up for you. As for simplifying the argument, I asked you to state your position and then back it up with qur'anic verses, open the kitaab, throw some verses at me, explain your understanding of said verses and I promise to share my own interpretation in return. (thats how you get a debate rolling, not to wait on the sidelines, hoping and praying that someone will safe you? C'mon north, I'm counting on you to deliver, if not, I will just have to wait for Sheikh Nur, atleast he is a man of his word. He will deliver, you just wait and see) Canjeex, Canjeex, Canjeex, what is original about sharing a beautiful piece of a man's struggle to cope with the loss of his family over a Burka? If you can't grasp that much, atleast give the author credit where credit is due. For your sake, I hope you read the article in its entirety, if not, I feel sorry for you, because you are missing a great deal. In your view, anyone who happens to be a Muslim or in the case of this author, who was a practicing Muslim or who is still is a practicing Muslim (as I don't know as much as you don't know) is a sell out because he shared his family story and the road to radicalization in his country? Being a sell out is one compromises his integrity for personal gain but this author is already an established professor, what would he benefit by falsifying information about his his country's dirty laundry and his family's backward thinking? He couldn't have been paid enough by the Globe and Mail, if anything, he is a contributing columnist and I don't think they could have paid him enough to air his family's radicalization process in the open for everyone to read, if that was the case, he would have gone to a magazine editor who would have paid him handsomely, therefore, it leaves one other scenario, "sell out" of his community? But his community is in turmoil because his country is taken by filthy terrorists who pay the authority in order to plan and carry attacks on innocent civilians, so why shouldn't the author share a very personal story of how one family went from being ordinary, god fearing Muslims to a family that refuses to allow their brother take a picture with their women folk in his camera or hug his women folk? (if his family has been tainted, along goes with Yemen) How do you go from wearing a bikini one moment and a burka on the other and it isn't even your choice? Those are the answers the author attempts to answer by taking us a journey of self discovery. But getting back to you Canjeex, what do you call people who only point fingers at those attempting to understand the state of affairs in their community? Those people who neither contribute nor profoundly impact the society they live in but somehow have something to say about people, instead of engaging ideas, they engage people? You tell me, what you call those people and only then can you yourself look in the mirror. This is the last call to having a fruitful discussion and Canjeex its obvious you have nothing to contribute to this discussion, so let this be the last time I address but before I do, let me leave you with this: I would like you to try a little experiment. Take few hours, go to your vibrant community(engage them), ask around the females why they wear the burka and come back and report it. The exchange will probably be something along the following lines: Canjeex: Habo, why do you wear the Burka? Female: Maandhow, our "deen dictates it" Canjeex: Explain? Are you saying what I think you are saying? Do you have a verse to back it up"? Female: "No, but thats what our imam told us, its a long tradition, it comes from Saudia Arabia". Canjeex: What does Saudia Arabia have anything to do with the burka, didnt you just say "Islam dictates it"? Same female joined by others: "Waryaa, naga tag, wax yahow canka jeexan, aniga ma iwaaleysid, just know, the arabs told us to do something, we follow it to the T". THE END PS: About reading garbage, one news program for another, one junkie for another but at the end of the day, its someone's garbage.(you probably prefer reading/watching Arab propaganda and you call that fair and balance but a sean hannity viewer feels that hannity is the only one who is not only right but trustworthy) Don't knock something you haven't tried. Especially now that Bahrain is breading the next Bill O'reilly and Anne Coulter of Pakistan has already made her mark in the industry. I'm telling you, fox is force in that part of the globe.

C&H, re-read my last post, it addresses questions A-F PS:Just for the sake of clarification, for the time being, 'banning burka' should be called only in the west. (the rest of the world looks to the west for their fashion sense(guidance of sort)) Therefore, you eliminate it in the west, you eliminate the burka 'worldwide' as you put it.

Peacenow wrote: The arabs look toward toward the europeans to develop their economy and infrastructure and what do we do? We look toward the arabs who can offer nothing. Quote of the Month Peacenow, that hell hole they call London is nothing more than a Mumbai/Eastleigh in disguise.

Cara, as much as I had a good laugh reading your post just now, I couldn't help but ask, who is better representative of women issues? A woman ofcourse, for man has only his interest to look after. For instance, in the early and mid 19th Century Canada, the generation who had written about the Canadian life only concentrated on what interest them at the time, which was men and the role men played in pre-confederation Canada, their activities in the fur trade, fishery, political participation and the everyday life of the family but when the early 20th century historians looked back on these very same generations, they found the writings to be full of biased, one in which de-franchised not only the most important group of all, women but natives. So, they re-focused and started looking into finding out role natives played(both men and women), along with ordinary canadian women of the period.('Women and the Escheat Movement' comes to mind) They started discussing the impact natives had on the fur trade, for without them, there would not have been a fur to trade, because the bulk of the labour was completed by natives and native women specifically looked to keep these white, european men away from harm and helped them survive the wilderness. Now, I ask you, was it the fault of the first generation of historians for writing exclusively about men and men interest? Were they biased? No, they were human beings, who only wrote of things they knew and it didn't hurt that they discussed men, because frankly, the elite group who restructured Canada as a dominion were white men too, so its only natural that they would right about the impact white men had in the former British North American Colony and the bulk of the work with be about 'White Men'. Furthermore, these historians had to have considered the accounts of the middle and upper class families and their women, for the silent majority were silent and their struggles were none-existent in the textbooks for a very long time. Was it fair for the well off women to represent all Canadian women? I think not, so for some to speak on behalf of the minority about the Burka and Burka related issues does injustices to the silent majority.(especially if men are the champion, who only would continue the hold they have on these said women) Now, how can I do better than that? Changing views not changing minds? What is your recommendation? I promise to entertain all and every suggestion you throw my way. And as for brother North, Geeljire and everyone else, if I may ask of you to not engage in personalities, instead engage the subject, Burka in full swing. North, your previous arguments were unsatisfactory, thats why I went to the Guru, Sheikh Nur to directly engage him but he promised to address it in good time and I told him to take his time. You can dig up the brief exchange in the Islamic Section. As for the subject, I would love nothing more than to simplify the debate for everyone. LayZieG says: Burka is not obligatory, therefore its irrelevant and should not be forced in women's throat. In addition, Burka is a middle east phenomena and therefore it should be dismissed, unless the few women who wear it feel that they need to continue supporting the material as a way of life, an attire that identifies the woman within the confinement of her society, other than that, total ban should be called on the attire. Furthermore, LayZieG feels that dressing modestly is necessity, and every Muslim women should dress according to the Sunna, as suggested of men as well. The onus is on you folks. Failure to agree with the above position will automatically result in the person showing Qur'anic verses that will support one's position against banishment on the bases that the attire is in fact a religious obligation, one that all Muslim women must adhere to. Otherwise, please refrain from commenting. North, the ball is in your court. You have a third or was it fourth chance? dazzle, will ya? PS: Geeljire, engage the subject, not the person and quit taking unnecessary jabs from the sidelines, I'm not the enemy, Burka is.(if you don't engage this subject, I will have no choice but to dismiss all your rants as just that, rants) Pss:Folks who once wore bikinisi are now convinced that the burka is infact a religious obligation, one that all muslim women must adhere to at all times and failure to do so will result in hundreds of lashes etc.... In this instance, Burka separated the author from his family.

explain yourself Cara(not RSS feed but trolling) PS: Didn't Nur expel you from the burka crowd? And why are you always questioning my motives? Pss: Burka is not your battle, ee I'm after the "its not an obligation but..." crowd

Che, Tuujiye was right about you. Fitnada dhan waa adiga, waayo, 21 pages later, wali juqjuq aa kujirtaa, oo kilyaha dadka aa ka juqeynoysaa. kix kix kixk@Tuujiska, iska daa Ibti, gabadhaas gabadh kafiican majirto meeshaan, waayo gabdhaha oo S-land ay ugu fiican tahay. MADAX ADEEG IBTI MA QABTO, WAA QOF AQLI LEH OO MADAX DAGAN. But Midka ay dhahaan secessioner lord Ayoub, kaa waa mid loo fiirsado, waayo Dukey haduu gabadh niga soo doonto oo hadana laagu waco clannist, waxaas masuurto galayaan, Waayoo, hadduu clannist yahey, why uu gabadh nigasoo doonanaa?? 10 gabdhood oo cida eh aa Garoowe u joogto, 4 oo bahda yey eh, ee please refrain from attacking individuals, instead, why not stage another event about secession, that ought to keep you busy?

NG, why would you wait for peacenow to bring up the events that happened last week? Why should he be concerned with matters of the southern regions when he is sitting comfortably somewhere in Milan? (Map anyone?) PS: This is as much about organized crime infiltration as it is about racial antagonism

^no, I do not google topics about Burka, but the subject itself is a controversial subject, which deserves its fair share of debating(it has not happened yet). At the same time, its on the minds of people (including me) and if my favourite news portals happen to do pieces about burka's (and the effect it has on poor, third world communities), who am I to deny further exposure?(NORTH REFUSED TO ENGAGE IN A DEBATE ABOUT THE MATERIAL, HE INSISTS THAT IT IS NOT OBLIGATORY BUT ARGUES JUST THAT, IT IS A MATERIAL THAT SHOULD NOT BE BANNED? ) So, I asked North, why shouldnt it be banned if its not obligatorY? He said 'nay'! (not a good enough reason) North and CO would rather not discuss it and take the stand against banning burka without a valid reason, instead, they want to accept things at face value. Everyone reads topics thats of interest to them, for me its about espionage pieces, burka and terrorism, lol among other things...so, at the end of the day, to each his own?

Ng, you can't blame me for looking out after nomads who constantly find themselves on the sidelines. Because some of these nomads are known to take the subject out of the ballpark, I had to creatively bring them back into the field without causing too much disturbance. Occasionally, we have people like 2+2=5, who run into center field barefoot, nothing to show for but ofcourse guards catch up to said individuals and ultimately toss them out the ballpark. It is not enough that said people become burdensome and cause delays but they plainly admit to their errors, as in the case of the said individual, by saying: I didn't read the whole article, just had a quick glance. One of the women isn't wearing a hijab, yet he writes: "We reach a compromise. I can pose with my sisters and mother if they wear the hijab , or at least long sleeves and skirts. I fake a smile as my heart breaks." He's fake! This can not be nothing more than cantabarish. Had the said person taken the time to read the article, the said person would have reached the understanding that the author did infact say he had visit yemen on more than one occasion, which is why he provided the timeline but failure to read such detail does injustice to the author, especially when the said picture was taken before his last visit(highlight of prior visits, which is different from his last moments with his family in Yemen, which was the same time that he had last seen his flesh and blood), which means the picture and the above quote do not speak of the same day as the above character used to judge the author. The very same quote used above, in which the author realizes that he was hit with the cold reality on that memorable day when it became evident to him that his family and him grew apart, is when his grief for his family started, coupled with the realization that their connection was ever widening and there was nothing he can do. Imagine, a family member denying another family member the request to take pictures with his own siblings because the women didn't have the full burka attire? Nothing short of devastation PS: Cara, I'm on a mission, you should know better!

Cowke, it is refreshing to read about someone as genuine as you, because you seem to speak candidly about the state of affairs and you discuss the fitna group and their co-conspirators in a none-judgemental tone and thats a welcoming reception. It is especially refreshing to be able to read your meticulous summary of the various axmaaro tribes because reading that part was like witnessing a child reciting his alphabet slowly but playfully to taunt the damiin bully infront of the class. All in all, you were on point about the various actors but I have to say, the verdict of Eritrea's movement is yet to be determined. Let us wait and see how the Security Council's embargo on the said country impacts them financially. Will they risk losing assets and freedom to roam around for the sake of supporting the no good Aweys? We shall see Also, rumor has it the Sheydaan group are running low on FUNDS, so much so that reports are coming from agents of the NGO's who claim that the sheydaan group have attempted to extort sum of money in order for the various NGO's in the country to operate in a 'M**ryaan controlled territory" in return for feeding shacabka somaliyeed? But then again, our residents"if the khamiis fit crowd" are blind to the reality on the ground because their attention is more or less focused on concealing the ak-47 under the khamiis, even thought it can be seen by everybody, ask the resident khamiis crowd.

Poster, Read the following article about women and the workforce because you just might learn something. The piece is entitled: ' Women Poised to Dominate Work Force For First Time' The traditional American family has featured a man as the breadwinner, but as with everything these days, this traditional frame of mind is being challenged by the greater economic picture. For the first time in American history, women are in a position to outnumber men in the work force. Let that sink in for a moment, and read more. Men have endured the overwhelming majority of layoffs during this recession, representing 82 percent of the total job losses. As it turns out, the traditional roles that women have assumed in nurturing jobs like health care and education are also relatively recession-proof, while male-dominated fields like manufacturing and construction have been pummeled by the economy. It's a double-edged sword, in a sense. As Heather Boushey, a senior economist at the Center for American Progress explained, "Given how stark and concentrated the job losses are among men, and that women represented a high proportion of the labor force in the beginning of this recession, women are now bearing the burden — or the opportunity, one could say — of being breadwinners." It is apparent the American work force is going through dynamic changes, gender-based and otherwise. What do you make of this news? Are the millions of women around the globe who are expected to dominate the workforce unfit to be mothers? If so, do you think someone who is not married yet can do a better job ya poster? What about the millions of Irish women who already dominate the workforce? Are they fit for motherhood?

Poster, before you start discussing what you may or may not do once you get married, why don't you work on getting a man, who could potentially become your husband? Baby steps I say. Marka kale, who is to say inaad ilmo dhaleysid oo guriga lajoogto? We don't know waxa uu illaah kuu haayo, so again, baby steps. (You could end up adopting a child, instead of having one of your own) and finally, I don't like reading posts that start with "when I ...." because that 'when' might never come, ee why dont you come back when you have something worthy to share. Other than that, the advise of the previous posters summed up my feelings on the subject of women and the workplace. PS: career is not for everyone, including men but ofcourse, you need to grasp the concept of having a career before you forfeit it.

Yes, yes, another burka story but this time, the profiling of Yemen is done by a Yemeni, a Yemeni-Canadian Professor from the GTA, who shares his intimate and informative background of Yemen with pictures as guide to understanding the transition from secular to ultra-conservative conversion of the Yemeni community through the eyes of his family. It is a long journey summed up in a page long column posted by the Global and Mail. (Canada's leading newspaper) As for reading 'From bikinis to burkas', I only have 3 guiding tips to reading the the article: 1) Do not judge the author 2) Do not dwell on the man's sexual orientation as thats irrelevant to the subject of his discourse. 3) Do not dismiss him for he has had a close hand experience and he would known the history of his homeland better than the average joe. Here are some praise worthy quotes from the article: Yemen's new notoriety doesn't surprise me; what does is how all the warning signs went unnoticed for so long. I saw it in my own flesh and blood: An open-minded family defined by its love of arts and culture embraced hard-line interpretations of Islam and turned its back on social progress and intellectual freedom. Our Camelot was the ancient port city of Aden. There in 1945 my father, Mohamed, then 19, wed the 14-year-old Safia, a shepherdess from Hadramut, a part of Yemen now known as the birthplace of the bin Laden family. With his high-school education and some support from my grandparents, my father started a small real-estate business in what we would call flipping today: He would buy old buildings, renovate and sell them at a profit, as well as renting some units to the British expatriates who “managed” Aden as a colony. “The Brits brought order,” my father used to tell us. My sister Faiza talks of a cosmopolitan port where European ships would stop on the way from Europe to the Indian subcontinent, often bringing with them such coveted merchandise as the latest fashions or, more thrillingly for my then-teenage sisters and brother, early Beatles albums. For some reason, Yemenis especially liked Ringo Starr. What followed were 15 years of exile between Beirut and Cairo. By the late 1970s, though, neither of those tension-filled cities felt safe or welcoming any more, and my father decided there was no choice but to return to Yemen – not to socialist Aden, but to pro-business Sanaa in the north, which was slowly making contact with the outside world after decades of insular, caste-based pseudo-monarchy. My sisters' adjustment was more complex. Women were now expected to cover their heads and wear the burka in public, and walk a few steps behind their husbands, fathers or brothers. When I was reunited with my cousin Yousra, who had been living in Sanaa for more than a decade, I reached out to give her a hug, but she pushed me away and shook my hand instead, within the bounds of propriety. As hundreds of thousands of migrant Yemeni workers in Saudi Arabia and neighbouring Gulf countries were expelled in retaliation, many of them settled in Sanaa. A small capital city in an impoverished country, already ill equipped to serve its citizens, it cracked under the pressure. Streets teemed with the unemployed, particularly young men, many of whom succumbed to the Wahabi brand of Islam that the exiled workers had picked up in Saudi Arabia and brought back. One of my brothers was actually suggesting that his eldest daughter need not go to university because education wouldn't help her much as a housewife. One of my sisters, who is in the 1975 beach photo, now works as a librarian at Sanaa University and wears the full niqab, covering her whole face except, just about, the eyes. One day, she followed me around town for half an hour, just for fun, to see if I would recognize her. I never did. I think Canjeex and his fox rants would benefit from reading the below quote. Collectively they have become television addicts. Satellite TV, featuring hundreds of channels from the Arab world and beyond, has taken over from reading and socializing as the main form of entertainment. Why? Because among the many channels you can watch are the more Islamist ones (Hezbollah's Manar TV, for example) that promote a rigid version of the faith. Professor Al-Solaylee's Memoir

Johnny, legend has it that the story of our Prophet started with the union of both his loving parents, Abdullah and Amina. The story is that when abdullah was to wed Amina, he was not too keen on marrying her, who was betrothed to him, instead, he fancied his neighbour, a young, angelic woman, who he wanted to lay with, but she had refused to grand him his request on a number of occasions. At this time, Abdullah married Amina, but on the night that our would be Prophet was to be conceived, Abdullah was on his way to be with Amina, his loving wife, the mother of our courageous and iconic Prophet. On the way home, he had encountered the beauty who once before refused him and this time, she was waiting and invited him in, instead, abdullah politely declined and walked away. It was said by witnesses that this angelic beauty had seen an alluminated light over Abdullah, which is why she finally invited him but he was not willing. Later on, the angelic beauty found out that Abdullah was to have a son with his beautiful wife, because Amina was with child, our soon to be Prophet. It was said by the witnesses that she confided in someone that the night she had offered herself to Abdullah, a light was shinning over Abdullah and hence she had a feeling that it was the spirit that had made her extend the invitation. Another story about our Prophet is one about his birth and the follow up of Amina's passing away. Obviously, Sheikh Nur has stated the usual spiel about the Prophet but the said story is that, during and after the birth of our illustrious Prophet, the practice was that young children were to be nursed away away from the company of their mothers, for Amina could not bring up the Prophet of her own, so his grandfather, the great Abdul Muttalib had put word for a nursing wanted AD, word spread but this time, Amina passed away and he now was indeed of proper care for his infant grandchild, someone that will nurse him to boyhood. It was a Pre-Islamic practice in Mecca for boys without a father to be the sole responsibility of a male figure, instead in the company of his loving mother/wife. The Prophet's would be nurse, whose family travelled far from drought heard that a young, infant son was in need of care, and his grandfather was looking for someone to take him away from the busy, urban life of Mecca and into the country, where he would be brought up properly, as any, influential young boys from the Quraysh tribes were long brought up in the same manner. So, the would be nursed heard that many have passed the offer, for these was not much money in raising an orphan, therefore, she too would pass the offer but something compelled her to accept the offer. During her passage into Mecca, she had been having difficulty nursing her young infant son but soon after retrieving back to the country, on their way to their home, with her family and the young Muhammad tucked on her belly, she was able to feed both him and her young infant child with abundance milk but before that, she was having difficulty. The other story is that, one day, while Muhammad was with this said family of the nurse and he was able to walk, as he was playing with the son of the nurse, he had encountered a higher authority, a visit of sort, not known if it was indeed angel Gabriel but the child who witnessed this incident was the very same son of the nurse, who said the same thing you wrote above, he was visited, his chest was opened, ,removing his heart, extracting something and later on, he was back to himself. There are many versions of the organs extracted or how it was extracted but one thing is known and that is, this is when his life took shape. It was the single defining moment of Prophet's early life. As for the story of Amina, his mother, it was said that when she was nursing young Muhammad and she saw in her window the lights of Damascus, it shined through her window and ofcourse the experience of Abdullah and the beauty. It is quite possible that these are legends or it had happened but these events were all recorded from witnesses that the angelic beauty confided in, as well as Amina sharing her experience and finally, the nurse, whose land was drought free after agreeing to care for Muhammad and was able to take care of her family because of her selfless act and accept a young orphan boy, whose parents were deceased and who has been rejected by many women. Something compelled her and for this, she relayed the experience to others, who had told to others and it became a legend of sort. After everything is said, you have to understand that there is very little known of the Prophet's early life, which is why historians have relied heavily on folklore content.

^peacenow, I already know you are SOL of the year for 2010 (and its only jan.8th). As you may or may not know, this passed year, Dukey was the recipient of such award but by far you are the undisputed candidate with another award winning euro-trash piece and you have my personal assurance that you will follow Dukey to being crowned the King of SOL for 2010 and SOL's best person of the year respectfully.(I will work on the committee ASAP) Congratulations! Keep up the good work and don't get discouraged, take it one day at a time and one euro-trash at a time. but enough about the homeless guy, tell me, did you engage the good people of geneva about the recent news? What was the atmosphere like? How were they reacting to the ban of the minarets from Swiss soil? PS: on a serious note, you made my day, as I haven't laughed this hard all week.

^Morning Canjeex, how are you doing this morning? You do make a good point brah but my choices are limited. What do you have me do? Watch Jihad.net instead so they can give me instructions on how to put together braexplosives? @Napoleon

^RAGEEDA, saa aa maantoo dhan kaa sugaaye, ee safaleetigaaga kor u qaado, brr, brrr

^your son will have to get the clan's permission before uu gabadha picture-keeda arko and before uu guur kasoo doonto but for now, let us take a long recess, say 20 yrs?

KK, Bas-hee, hadda iyo baryootan in laguu galo maa rabtaa? Mase kilyaha in lagaaga fariisto aa rabtaa? Inoo sheeg waxa aa qarineyso, after all, they say waxa la qariyo qurun aa kujiro...abaaheylee offensive war-maaha Dukey, another award winning thread from award winning nomad, but I have to say, somalitosomali marriage is overrated... I have two examples to share from two different girlfriends of mine but it will have to wait. For now I want to leave you with this comment and that is too much wadno jaceel story aa meesha keente and it seems as thought the girl in the story has too much time on her hands if she is re-acting one of her favourite hindi films, ee ya usheego iney nun iska noqodo, saa dan maaha.