Dukey, all is well alxamdullilaah. I can't complain, life is good. Abdiweli is in charge and all is not well in the enclave. While I agree with you on the positives of Abdiweli, we must always remember to examine the individual's record and not the personalities. Yes, ofcourse, he is an accomplished scholar but the truth of the matter is he has not held a public office even if his life depended on it. So the idea that this man is at the helm does not sit well with me but the truth is that he is the competent choice among the pool of candidates that were available at one point or another, which means I will wait to see what he does in the next several months. That said, I would strongly urge you to keep your hype of Abdiweli to a minimum and let his record in office speak for itself. We do not need to remind people that Harvard isn't Lascaanood school of Ari, so, they too must recognize that Abdiweli's resume speaks for itself. The man has more education than all the northern enclave members that Siilaanyo has nominated thus far, including aabo Silaanyo's academic record put together and that the one area we can all agree on, our secessioner friends included is that we can never deny ABDIWELI his exceptional academic record. Therefore, in ABDIWELI we trust, VIVA ABDIWELI. PS: Dukey, I always knew you would find your way back to the TFG circle. How is Adeer Yey, I hear he is very fragile, is he still in Yemen? The drones cant be that helpful to adeero... bal ilaah ha u sahlo, adeero waa rageediii

Hi Dukey, Are you happy with the selection? You seem to approve Abdiweli's cabinet choice...sort of like, in Abdiweli we trust haye? LOL Whatever happened to my beloved nur cade? How come he doesn't have a cabinet position? Here is Nuurini oo Rome ku dalxiisaayo and just above him, he has the SHARIF as his guardian angel.... PS: Why the query about the cabinet member's bio? Most of them call foreign countries home. Some of them, atleast 7 members have not set foot in the homeland for atleast 2 or more decades...so right now, who they are or what their bio is matters little because the truth of the matter is our thought and prayers should be with the victims of the drought and famine....and what we need to be praying for in the upcoming holly month is a way to ease the pain of those suffering back home. We need to be able to work together as people who share a common language, religion, ethnicity in order to find solutions that will benefit both our people and country in the long run. Knowing the bio of this minister or that minister matters very little and I for one do not care to know. What I want to know is what these members are doing for the people suffering right now? What do they plan to do tomorrow and the next day?

Hey Tigre sister, I warned you about bursting like a balloon.. tell me, when will you get it through your thick skull that calling me michelle bachmann one day and ayan Hirsi the next is not really an insult but what is an insult is a tigre sister who has swollen feet because she is overweight and the reason is because she frequents SOL forums instead of exercising and shedding some of that belly fat... Sister, I bet my life that inaad i dhali karto but then again, I would let you believe that I'm ayan Hirsi(seing as you want to make your wet dreams about older ladies come through) and teeda kale, soo taa eheed naagtii dhahday Ayan Hirso waaye LayZIE? If i said I was Ms Hirsi Ali, would you expose your excess fat? :cool: Whenever aan arko adoo isku dhax yaacday, I tell myself, bravo, I must be hitting the right nerves...now fatso, go outside and smell the air, you have been spending way too much time indoors, take advantage of the beautiful weather for once in your life and shed some bounds...only fat people come across as suicidal as I know you to being....soon waxaan maqleenaa adoo 21st floor iska soo riday... and remember, baby steps.. we dont want you having stroke or something similar...start with 15 minutes walks... LayZie G... PS: I'm being generous to you as I'm trying my best not to be a cyber bully, I hear alot of folks take to the extreme by ending their life, you might be one of them. nor do I want to be the cause...but sweetie, you must stay positive..life doesnt end just because your feet are swollen..bye now Pss: Sweetie, one woman, Hirsi is self-described atheist, she doesnt believe in organized religion, the other, bachmann I hear is an evangelical christian...so I cant be a hirsi and be evengelical at the same time, you silly girl...the other thing about being born Muslim is that we dont follow the words of mullahs like the sheeps aka tigre converts like you swollen feet......PS: only ragga need to be among themselves, tigre sisters should be with fellow tigres, not ragga somalida...;)

Benjamin Netanyahu of the past 6 days opposes the views of the Benjamin Netanyahu of the last 2 years...the Netanyahu of the last 6 days does not want to reason nor does he have any interest in resuming negotiations with the Palestine authority. The Netanyahu of the last 6 days says that Obama is pro-Arab but the Netanyahu of the last 2 years reminded his audience as he made his media rounds (in 2009 and 2010)that Obama is a friend of Israel and the partnership between Obama's administration and Israel is stronger than ever, something he echoed in his speech today in-front of joint session of United States congress but the Netanyahu of the last 6 days says President Abbas must tear his pact with Hamas" and come back to the negotiation table and as I wait for your response President Abbas, I will entertain myself by giving Obama a public scolding that he richly deserves. In addition to that, the Netanyahu of the last 6 days turned the tide by calling Obama's speech about the 1967 border land swaps as "indefensible", re-affirming his position that no amount of lobbying at the United Nations will bring about peace with Israel. Forget it, over our dead bodies.....and we are confident because we know that any resolution that is passed in the general assembly of the U.N will not see the light of day because we will use our veto, oops United States veto to kill your ambition for a recognition.... In short, the Netanyahu of the last 6 days is in conflict with the Netanyahu of the last 2 yrs, the more reasonable, upbeat, Netanyahu who just wants to sit at the negotiation table and let the chips fall were they might will not entertain ideas about going back to the 1967 borders with land swaps(knowing full well that this is exactly what must happen in order for negotiations to resume if peace will ever be achieved, these are the private thoughts of Netanyahu of the last 2 years) because his boss, the militant Lieberman of the right winger party would immediately withdrawal his party's support, leaving Netanyahu of the last 2 years vulnerable... Today's Netanyahu is more militant, uncompromising coward who can not stand up to his militant and boss Avigdor Lieberman. In short, the summary of Netanyahu's speech to congress is as follows: 1) President Abbas you must recognize a Jewish State 2) President Abbas you must recognize a Jewish State 3) President Abbas you must denounce Hamas and you must tear your pact with them immediately 4) President Abbas, we will be generous to you if only you do as we say...oops, I mean as long as you follow the instructions of my boss, Mr Lieberman. 5) Israel and the right wing militant party that holds me in my current position is not the problem, my Arab neighbours are and as well as that evil state they call IRAN.... 6)President Abbas must do what I have done. I stood before my people -- and I told you, it wasn't easy for me -- I stood before my people and I said, "I will accept a Palestinian state." It's time for President Abbas to stand before his people and say, "I will accept a Jewish state." (Cheers, applause.) 7)In recent years, the Palestinians twice refused generous offers by Israeli prime ministers to establish a Palestinian state on virtually all the territory won by Israel in the Six Day War. They were simply unwilling to end the conflict. And I regret to say this: They continue to educate their children to hate. They continue to name public squares after terrorists. And worst of all, they continue to perpetuate the fantasy that Israel will one day be flooded by the descendants of Palestinian refugees. My friends, this must come to an end. (Applause.) 8)So I want to be very clear on this point. Israel will be generous on the size of a Palestinian state but will be very firm on where we put the border with it. This is an important principle, shouldn't be lost. 9)And here is what this means. It means that the Palestinian refugee problem will be resolved outside the borders of Israel. (Applause.) 10)And as for Jerusalem, only a democratic Israel has protected the freedom of worship for all faiths in the city. (Applause.) Throughout the millennial history of the Jewish capital, the only time that Jews, Christians and Moslems could worship freely, could have unfettered access to their holy sites has been during Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem. Jerusalem must never again be divided. (Applause.) Jerusalem must remain the united capital of Israel. (Applause.) I know this is a difficult issue for Palestinians. But I believe that, with creativity and with good will, a solution can be found. All in all, the Netanyahu of the last 6 days, including in some sound bites from his speech to congress today wants Jerusalem for his master boss aka Lieberman, he wants a demilitarized Palestinian State and shrugs his shoulders over the issue of right of return. He doesnt want to make any concessions because his boss wont let him, which means shadows of war in the middle east looms... yours truly, LayZie G... source: Global and Mail, read the full transcript of today's speech here:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/americas/transcript-of-prime-minister-netanyahus-address-to-us-congress/article2032842/,

A wise man named Ngonge once said publicly: "What is this Somaliland business you keep mentioning? This single entity that calls itself SOMALILAND is a criminal enterprise, which is controlled and operated from villa morgan, therefore, to call it a government body that identifies itself politically and culturally sovereign from SOMALIWEYNE is a distraction from the real issues, not to mention farce", stated Ngonge while showing his white teeth and winked his way out... This is nothing but "stuff and nonesense" and North knows it, which is why he hasn't been seen since his last post....North, as always has nothing to contribute to the topic, except maybe to rally the usual suspects....that in itself is tragic....:cool: yours truly, LayZie G....

The above picture certainly brings a smile to my face, especially considering that ordinary people are minding their business as the public transit passes by and a group of youth play on the side of the road....life appears to be simple but yet difficult. Illaah ha u gargaaro umada Somalida...maybe more news would follow with the capture of the market, maybe one of these days we will hear SHEIKH SHARIF's resignation, maybe not, but who says wishful thinking is not pleasing to the imagination... Not to ruin anybody's day but is it coincidence that oba is related to shariiifka and Xeef is related to farmaajo? Taageerayaashii kale away? Not to ruin your afternoon or anything sister tigre but aren't your related to Melez Zenawi and you are one to talk about other SOLers being qabiiliste... Somalis were hostile to your uncle Zenawi's interventionist position more than they are hostile to the above AMISOM foot soldiers in the above picture....when it comes to SOmali weyn, we dont take too kindly to the tragic past and the inferiority complexities of tigre people, wherever, whoever they may be.. Zacky, before you burst like the balloon you are, I urge you to remember that attacking other members and making insinuation about others or harassing folks like oba and the other fella is a no no in the rule book...so the next time you are tempted to harass another member of this forum, pause and remember your forebearers and ask yourself, what would they do? yours truly, LayZie G.

So what that she is an immigrant or that she is hardworking? She is still a rape victim, regardless of whether she is lazy or hardworking, immigrant or non-immigrant, Muslim or Jew, African or Anglo-Saxon, a rape victim is just that a victim of a heinous crime. Thus, crime of rape has no face, no color, no religion. However, what is intriguing about this case is that the assailant predicted his own downfall weeks ago with a reporter. It was reported that Strauss-Kahn was eagerly waiting the day he would be caught with his pants down as part of a conspiracy to eliminate him as a front runner in next's years presidential elections. While all of the evidence maybe circumstantial at best, Strauss-Kahn may settle with his victim in a civil lawsuit and may not have to face jail time(similar to a Kobe Bryant settlement), alleges some reports. On other news, Sarkozy will likely be re-elected, states Sarkozy.

Warmoog;719339 wrote: The news story about Bin Laden's alleged assassination this month, which <a href=" http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24669 " target="_blank">fall apart within its first week, is indeed a farce. It shows how little the US government and its mouthpieces in the media think of the public they are supposed to serve. They are trying to feed people lies that even a child can see through. Did you and Nur take time to digest the wealth of conspiracy theories out on the internet? Did you notice the inconsistency in most of the accounts that you have restated here? No, and neither are you or Nur capable of answering direct questions nor are you willing to confront the simple fact that Al-Qaeda, an organization founded by Osama was willing to debunk the conspiracy theorists by releasing statement that contradicts 'deathers' claim that Osama was on the freezer all along (and he did not die in may 2011, instead he died many years ago)as our brother Nur would have us believe. YOu are prepared to discredit the efforts of the navy seals who put a bullet into Osama's skull but you are not prepared to come forward with evidence that does infact support your theory, instead, you are hell bend of regurgitating worn-out theories on the internet as facts and showing that you lack originality by not critically examining the very same thing you claim to support, uncovering 9/11 truths.... You and Nur are the first people that would characterize others as sheeps, while being critical of their sheep-like mentality because they follow what is fed to them by the mass media but the two of you are the first people who would-heartily take the word of a disoriented ex-CIA employee as gospel in which he states: " I Dont know whether or not Osama is dead but I, (the ex-employee) believe him to be dead" and dismiss everything else as inconsequential. So I ask you again and again, What makes his words credible and not others? Why would you think taking a so called leaked report of the French Secret service who at one point was said to have believed Osama was dead as truth? How many people thought OSama has been dead at one point or another? It has been a decade and very little activity from that part of the world in terms of movement, so the idea did cross people's minds at one point or another, including myself, but we cant decide for ourselves that someone is simply dead because we want them to be dead.....that isnt good enough... Instead, I want you to examine previous evidence, I want you to critically look at all the facts about Osama since 2001 and come to your own conclusions and not just regurgiate worn out theories. How do you explain the wives and the children captured in post-raid? How do you explain the overwhelming evidence inside the compound, tapes, videos of Osama, and personal diaries or the statement released by his own organization? yours truly, LayZie G.

Nur, All praise is for Allah and let peace be upon the prophet.... Previous thoughts aside, you brought up a great point about not veering off from subject, which brings me to ask my next question, which is why do you allow yourself to get distracted? Yes, I would very much like to stay on point and only discuss the monster that is Osama but I have to warn you, when you allow side distractions to take over, it doesn't look good on you. The following is a summary of our exchange since May 1st, 2011: NUR: Osama did not die on may 2011, Osama died 10 years ago and his body has since been frozen. LayZie G.: What prove do you have that Osama did not die on 2011? Nur: My word should be good enough: LayZie G: No, no no, sheikh Nur, as much as I adore, "I said so" isn't enough. I want documented proof and nothing short of it should be accepted? Nur: You know LayZie G, its no secret that you cheer for team U.S.A. LayZie G.: Nur, wallaalo, this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.. you cheer for the Arabs, you are still cheering for Osama, an Arab and you dare have a problem with me cheering for anyone but Arabs? Nur: repent now, repent LayZie for speaking ill of the Arabs....and master Osama.... LayZie G: Nur, lets get back to reality. Why did you say Osama has been dead for years and his body has been on the freezer if you cannot produce evidence? Why do you deny the man his legacy as a mass murderer but dare question American foreign policy? I'm all ears@nur, I want to believe you but you have to do better than "take my word".....as you know Nur, human''s are inherently flawed, and their words are just as flawed.... Nur: LayZie G, you are just anti-Arabs, I warn you, Arabs decent and I'm in no way saying I'm an Arab but I just believe them to be right...how dare you have short term memory, remember Iraq? Remember WMDs? What about IRAQ and the millions that perished on the hands of the invaders? LayZie G: Nur, lets be civil, lets stay on the subject and remember, the invaders were not all Americans, the invaders, who mostly contributed to the deaths of hundred of thousands of Iraqis were mostly carried out by terrorist groups, home grown organizations with ties to Master Osama, so lets not just point the finger on one of many participants...lets point finger at all participants.. Nur: What about WMDS? Cheney? BUSH? 9/11, you know 9/11 was never carried out by al-qaeda, I know because I frequent truther sites, this is how I know Osama has been inside a freezer for nearly a decade.. LayZie G.: Nur, nur, please focus, lets discuss the subject...why do you deny this death when his disciples are mourning him today.....what about the wives who were arrested?? What about the children on protective custody in Pakistan? Do you deny their right as heirs? Nur: you mean you are a Neo- Conservative? Pro Christian fundamentalism? But anti-Liberal? Pro Family? Anti Qowmu Loot? Pro Life? But Anti Abortion? Pro Zionist? But anti Islam? Pro- Government 911 Narrative, But anti Truthers? Pro Obama, But Anti Osama, Pro- African Leadership of America, But Anti Birthers? Pro Somali? But Anti- Arab? LayZie G.: Nur, you are getting side tracked again, this isn't good for you...c'mon nur, explain why Osama's disciples have been vocal and have been in a state like grief in the last few days alone, what do you say that Nur? What about the 80+ muslims who perished today as a retaliation for a man who has been dead for nearly a decade, what do you say to that? and Nur has since not been heard from....especially once he saw those gruesome pictures of the injured.... 80 muslims just perished, an act of extreme violence carried out by a teenager who just learned how to potty train...he did it because he was told infidels were going to be at the target location.... Muslims are now called infidels because Osama and his disciples have said that all Muslims are infidels if they are against us. We are let to believe that if you are not prescribing to Osama's brand of religious doctrine, you are no longer a muslim...you are the enemy, the infidel... We are told, over and over again, to believe in the Osama brand and forget everything else..... I'm not going to attempt to brand you one way or another (only Allah knows what is in your heart) but so far, your message has been clear, if you dont prescribe to master Osama's brand of doctrine, you must be a neo-con...lol(this is by far my favourite, waayo, this lets me know that you cant defend your views any longer, which is why you go for the neo-con branding, as thought thats as offensive as the N-word is to African Americans) Finally, I have to caution you to take this time to revaluate and ask yourself, what right has a person have to take another life, many lives? What right does Osama and his disciples have at retaliating by taking out 80 people? When will you stand up and say, what is wrong is wrong and no amount of animosity towards the west can ever excuse for a group of extremists to plot the murder of 80 people because their maser was executed...and anoher 90-100 tomorrow and another 200-200 the next day. When will you speak up and denounce terror and terrorists? When will you admit to yourself that glorifying a mass murder is wrong, simply wrong? You say you dont associate yourself with Al-qaeda but yet you praise their so called master, what does that say about your judgement? When will you stop believing falsehood? When you will you stop spreading falsehood? yours truly, LayZie G

lol@pro life and anti-abortion, Nur, as great of a topic abortion is, you and I never discussed abortion as a topic...(maybe one day soon, we will, insha allah) BW, why did you close the Bin Elvis threat? Please clarify your real position to get a real answer for your questions in order to help me with the direction I should steer the discussion and InshaAllah I will satisfy all your questions. Simply put, I'm against all acts of violence and with specific to religion, I'm against all and everyone who uses religion to justify killing...why is it difficult for you to make your position clear on this issue? (just happen today in Pakistan, 80 killed, countless others injured, mostly if not all of them were Muslims, all for what? A terrorist was executed, so you kill innocent people in broad daylight?, very despicable if you ask me) and this: and for as long as you are rooting for the other team, the one who causes pain and suffering to Muslims and non-Muslims alike, you are not fooling anyone. Ask allah's forgiveness ya Nur....ask for his mercy... Rabbigh-fir warham wa'anta khayrur-Rahimin yours truly, LayZie G. PS:Please delete this post after you read it(its not appropriate for your bidcah discussion)...I only posted here because you locked the other thread.....

Naxar Nugaaleed;718733 wrote: where are those armed american drones when you need them, these images look like a missed opportunity to wipe these scum missed opportunity? I dont think so... look at him: look at this silly orthodox jew looking who grew to his body.. He is a success story for all high school drop outs. He gives them hope and his message to them is simple: you can be a social outcast and still have hope. You can endure a lifetime of bullying but you dont have to give up on life. Heck, if lucky, you can even reinvent yourself. What is sad about all of this is Sharif is still holding on to his job, just shameful if you ask me...al-amriki is sitting pretty in afgooye and Sharif lives on another day....just shameful....

Nur, Hadda ma isku ciyaareena? LOL@opposing channels. Look at the fella below you and above me who is connecting the coptic church burnings in Egypt to Osama and CIA....I think Osama's death has disillusioned many of the followers and it is incumbent of you as decent human being to set the record straight. I expect you to do the responsible thing here, which is to correct the gentleman above you.... In the meantime, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions....(wonderful to see that you are no longer reading Salon articles, seeing as you stopped citing Glen Greenwald ...he has an Osama piece that you will find fascinating and I think you stopped frequenting liberal sites after that bit of 411 on glen, all thanks to me...who said we have to disagree with one another all the time?) yours truly, LayZie G.

Nur, I want you to answer my questions and not answer question with another question. Mida kale, all of the above scenarios will be put to rest soon enough, waayo, we have little Osama's running around in Pakistan and we find among the children found in that multi-million dollar compound to be small children, some reported to be a 1 year or 2 yr olds, you have alot of explaining to do, denying children their right to call Osama their father. What about the 3 wives who are reported to be on a Pakistani custody? What about the claims of one of Osama's qalanjo's who said for 5 yrs, she never left his side? Do you deny her version of the story? Is she on CIA payroll? You think she is on CIA payroll, right?? Answer my questions and all of your concerns will be soon put to rest, if thats even possible. (by the way, confirming the identity of Osama is not that difficult, the intelligent services such as the black ops have high tech facial recognition software that can in fact give a 99.9999% match on the spot, you watched spy movies, havent you?) yours truly, LayZie G.

In Egypt, a relationship developed from an unlikely couple (or so it was reported), a muslim and a coptic christian. A young couple who courted each other in secret, who shared their dreams, aspirations with one another, who hoped to get married and avoid the sins of this world and whose love affair ended up costing the lives of 12 people and the hundreds injured, woke up one morning to find that the dream they dreamt has turned into a nightmare. As eager as they were to start the rest of their lives together, they came to find out that their love affair brought the Egyptian revolutionary fervor to its knees. It was reported that both couple were Egyptians by descent. Both couple reside in the very same neighbourhood, suburbs of Cairo. The couple's love affair is at the centre of controversy but no one really knows who is the muslim and who is the christian in the relationship. For now, we have to settle for different rumors, one version states that the girl was a coptic christian, who wanted to convert to Islam, and the man was a muslim. Another version says that the man was a coptic christian and the female was a muslimah. At this time, there are no independent sources that can confirm or deny such romors. All we are going by is the version of the story that the coptic media is spreading on the internet and the other version thats spread by so called "mobs of men" or as the coptic mouthpieces on the internet report as "salafis" who marched infront of the church and demanded that a girl inside be released to their custody. Egyptians, both christians and muslims alike are no longer standing shoulder to shoulder, fighting what they deemed as the "oppressive regime of Mubarak" to step down. The honeymoon as far as we know is over for the unlikely sides who came to naar square, calling for Mubarak to step down but who are a world apart today when it matters the most in post-Mubarak era, largely thanks to the saboteurs, who command a strong force that not only look to divide the country with sectarian violence but whose agenda is to delegitimize the military while creating chaos and instability leading up to the elections. Some reports coming from Egypt state that the violence clash was staged with precision, especially were the lovers are concerned. Fast forward to may, 2011, as the world had its back turned to the Osama news, Egypt, with the honeymoon over, was burning. You wonder how a love affair between two young people can incite such violence and contribute to the death of 12 people and hundreds more injured? While the aftermath of the clash is well documented, both videos and pictures tell the tale of devastation, as well reports coming from cairo capture the images of chaotic scene, as well as burned buildings, damages to personal properties and places of worship. The background to the violence is controversial and even contradictory but the story has all the dramatic elements of a good blockbuster film but it will be up to you to decide which version of the "love affair gone wrong" you believe. Version #1: A muslim man falls inlove with a coptic qalanjo, they decide to get married, she runs to her ultra-conservatist(coptic) family as she beams with delight and shares her good news with them. Few days pass, young muslim man waits by the phone and his qalanjo is not heard from. He then proceeds to call the organized crime organization or as the coptic mouthpieces on the internet call "SALAFIS". The young distraught man sobbed as he told the mullah's about his secret love affair. He didn't share the saga with anyone except the salafis, reported the coptic news. He said to them that the love of his life was in a church called the St. mana church, held against her will, she wants to marry me, I know because she was beaming when she last left me, sobbed the young lover. They have kidnapped my bride to be, please help me mullahs. So, mullahs march to the church (St. Mina), demanding a so called (coptic parishioner), supposedly, the girl(zita as some like to call her) be released to their custody....words are exchanged and next thing the priest and some of congregation find is blazing fire, they are attacked with Molotov cocktails and they are all running for cover, naar square all over again. Version #2: The other version of the love story has reports that the female lover was a Muslimah. Her father had some knowledge of the relationship but his cousin found out that his niece was seeing a coptic, and he was reported to have marched to his cousins house (the father of the girl) and executed him point blank, not sure if he used a gun or beheaded him but the father of the girl died from violent injuries because he did not fulfill his obligation as a father by committing his daughter to stoning for forming a relationship with a coptic christian, for that reason, the father was executed for his daughter's sins. Upon hearing that his father was killed, the girl's brother killed the cousin as an act of revenge for his father's death. Stories as the one above are reoccuring themes in Egypt, especially where the coptic church is concerned. Not long ago, (2009), similar story took place in another community, this time, the girl was a muslimah and the boy a coptic, both he and his father were killed because he fell inlove with a muslim girl. Whether the above story did happen last weekend or whether it was fabricated, only Allah knows but Egypt is burning. yours truly, LayZie G.

They used him as a pretext to invade many countries in the Muslim world to steal their wealth lol@the above statement...is that your final answer@NUR? What about the al-qaeda organization who you seem to distance yourself from, are they too an agency led organization who wreak havoc worldwide? Are they too CIA run organization? When will the CIA retire the said organization? YOu see how ludicrous all of this sounds? You have no proof, you refuse to produce evidence to the contrary, you refuse to acknowledge the statements of world leaders and you dont even appreciate Obama's sensitivity towards the master's body and how he was tossed to the sharks..like I said before, you nee a doze of reality... and please, stop this truther nonsense, you know I hate to be wrong and I'm right about you, atleast I believe you not to be a truther, you just entertain truther conspiracy tales....so please, stop this nonsense, lets back to the real discussion about what happens now, who takes over for the masteR?

The following images were not taken in Karachi or Lahore or Islamabad as most of you have already guessed, the following pictures were taken in Ngonge's own backyard. The photos of the mourners, whose images do tell their own narrative, grief stricken, militant demonstrators were taken in the grosvener square area, speaking for 20 or 30 of their grief stricken militants, a mob of mourners came together in order to grief for the passing of their master. To them, Osama was not just a mass murder, to these mourners, Osama lived and died as a Martyr....He was a human rights champion, which is why they took to the streets to air their grievances and pay their last respects. The following photos were taken in the last few days alone.....enjoy As the saying goes, the following pictures are worth a thousand words: Image #1: Image #2: Image #3: and finally, my favourite image, Niqabis giving their last respects to their master Osama: Image #4: Look at the tall, slender Niqabi (second from the left), lost in her own deep thoughts that she finds comfort in her mobile phone and among her fellow niqabis....Allaahu Akbar yours truly, LayZie G.

Nur, When you are not exporting blame to the west, you are showering praises to extremists and extremist actions. When you are not denying muslim on muslim killing, you are placing the blame anywhere but in the hands of the murderer. When you are not busy re-writing history, you are elevating the status of the #1 most wanted man. A man who is directly responsible for the deaths of hundred of thousands of muslim lives. When you are not running away from your own positions, you are quick to point the finger at me. Atleast, I'm honest with myself, when will you be honest with yourself? When will you realize that supporting a mass murderer and decrying his execution is as much a sin as the sin of committing the crime itself. When will you stop cheerleading for militants who make it their business to kill and maim muslims? When will you grief for the victims families, muslim families? Just in the last 2 days, there was a report of 20+ bystanders, muslims at that, who died at the hands of a suicide bomb in retaliation for the execution of LORD Osama, a man who admire greatly in a Pakistani city.... We are routinely reading news about bombs going off in public places, were both men and women, children and elderly alike are killed... Muslim on muslim killing is prevalent and IRAQ IS NO EXCEPTION. Your million number is an exaggeration and be as it may, most of those deaths were committed by so called militants who profess the religion. You can fault cheney but you cant fault him for the many deaths in IRAQ.... You are so consumed by hate for the west that you dont see the very hypocrisy of these militants that you champion for and applaud everytime they blow up a bus or a market. Before they were against so called "western aggression", they were for it, which means, they too bought into the western exceptionalism I discussed with you yesterday. They are a bunch of aggrieved nutcases who suffer from jah-wareer, so what do they do? they go on killing spree and how does a good muslim like you react??? You apologize for their sins while pointing the finger at the direction of the west and never once concerning yourself with the lives lost, MUSLIM LIVES AT THAT. I think you should repent and you should pray to Allah to forgive you for causing more pain and heartache to the victims families who lost a loved one... A good muslim would see injustice in all actions, regardless of a person's creed. There is hope for you yet but you need to be able to overcome the arab-tendinis with a doze of reality. Your stubbornness amazes me, you think you are right for cheerleading for murders but you resent me for disliking arabs? Two posts ago, I brought up the claim that more muslims died on the hands of muslims and with the direction of your so called sheikh Osama than they did in the hands of the coalition and you have dodged it, why? Nur, do you buy into the al-qaeda theory that muslims victims are collateral damage which allows militants to kill Muslims when it is unavoidable, is that why you are so consumed by the west, because as far as you are concerned, death of muslims by so called "muslims" is permissible, because the late "SHEIKH" osama said so? I know its that time of the year when you retreat back to the cave but you have left many questions unanswered and I would much prefer that we clean house before your retreat, what do you say? yours truly, LayZie G.

^Nur, heh eh@the anti-conscriptionist on Obama's speech, he might take SNL out of business if he keeps going at the rate he is going. Enough about the former hippy's poor attempt at humour and more about you. I have to say that I'm concerned, I'm concerned because on the one hand, I feel that recent world events are not playing to your script and as a result, you are becoming an anxious truther (and I know you are not a truther). On the other hand, I feel that I can't talk sense into someone who says Osama was on a freezer for 10 yrs without producing evidence. For this reason, I want you to take one good look at the recent statements made by your beloved crew aka AL-QAEDA and let me know if they too are playing to the truther's? Are they? Why make empty threats if the man isn't dead or has been dead? Why insist on media relevancy if they have not been dealt a blow to their operation overseas? (if you haven't read the statement, google it) Mida kale, you asked me about our previous exchanges, something I am not prepared to revisit, waayo SOL archives stores all content, as far back as 2005, if I am not mistaken, so dig up and read the portion of our exchange which deals with WMDs and IRAQ invasion. While you and I are an ocean apart on most issues, we both agree that IRAQ invasion was illegal. As the Late President William McKinley once said: “War should never be entered upon until every agency of peace has failed” It was this crucial element, which McKinley spoke off which was disregarded by the Cheney administration(I say Cheney for many believe it was he who answered the 3am phone call and not Bush Jr.) What both you and I do not agree on is the right for nations to secure their interest, both at home and abroad and for the right for said nations to pursue their interest at all costs. You dont recognize such rights unless they are Arab nations. Wherever you see aggression, I see justice and liberty. You believe in the Arab exceptionalism, I believe in western exceptionalism.(naturally I detest Arabs and Arabization, which makes the choice very easy) You have selective memory, I have accurate recollection of past events. I can go on and on....but the truth of the matter is, if you cannot fault Arab states to seek their interest at the expense of others, you shouldn't demonize American Foreign Policy. At the end of the day, when you are considering issues such as the impact American foreign policy has on the globe and worldwide views, the analysis almost always would be subjective, especially when once is looking at the bigger picture at establishing an Arab Empire, that would supersede all other powers, which brings me to my final point, lets not kid ourselves. Your agenda is clear, you want Arab supremacy and for as long as the west has the power to maneuver, such fantasies will probably never materialize. and lastly, you said: All I remember is that you are very supportive of all US Policies in the Muslim World without any exception or reservation. I take exception to the above comment because you make little or no effort to discuss the impact the foreign policy of the British Empire had in our beloved continent as a whole and with specific to Somalia or reference any other world history. Why dont you talk about African grievances? The general imperial interest of Britain that directly shaped the continent and its colonial legacy that echoes in Africa today while Britain was repeating the fruits of African Labour. Why is there no discussion of slavery and its impact on African Economic history? Where is your dhiig when it concerns our beloved continent? Do you spend time reading historiography about the middle passage, relive the horrors, ever? When you are not forgetting history of empires and you are selective in your historical narratives, you are almost always occupied with Arab grievances.... I want to know were your loyalty is? Are you loyal to Arabs or Africans and more specific Somalis? That said, empires come and go, including many eventful periods and various dynastic successes in that part of the world you champion for...and if I've gotten to know you as I would like to think I do, you are still nostalgic for pre- mongol periods....or post mongol periods with specific to Ottoman aggression against the Safavids....(if people were to go by your version of events, we would all believe that almost always the aggressor was a western agent and no conflict arose within the "MUSLIM WORLD". In addition and as far as you are concerned, ARABS are victims, have always been victims of western aggression, long before the rise of the west, lol, you are hilarious) period of success happens, empires change hands, empires rise as much as they fall and your only criticism of the United States is its happening in modern times, as historians like to call in the period of modern history. You resent that its happening at the expense and the presence and sometimes with the cooperation of some of your beloved arab lords and they are in fact strengthening such an empire. You need to face the fact that power changes hands, period of success and failure is incumbent of all greats and what makes American Foreign policy great and ambivalent at the same time is its need to enhance itself while adjusting to the climate. As much as you are going for cover, you can't help but take us back to the dark ages of the bush era...and I would say, yes, lets go there, lets discuss the egregious policies of the Bush Administration(egregious enough that it would probably make the late President McKinley shiver with utter disgust) or as some people like to call, the Cheney administration. You will find that America is in a period of transition, as far as its foreign policy is concerned, its in a process of enhancing and adjusting to the current climate, to what extend, I do not know. yours truly, LayZie G.

Aaliyyah;716456 wrote: clearly he couldnt get any more educated yet it wasnt enough. Seriously, canadians are even more racist than I thought...and I simply cant stand conservatives!.. Not that I voted for the liberals..I actually ended up voting for NDP. They seemed to me that they had some potential. Thats quite the charge, especially a charge that someone who is not well informed would have made. Voters did not reject the liberals because of race, the voters, among them a large ethnic turn out for the conservatives in toronto turned away from Liberals because of the economy, jobs and taxes, none of which liberals were prepared to match. (partly, ontario shifted to blue because of the ethnic vote but it was not the only factor) In addition to that, the liberals lost ground in Ontario to the Conservatives because of their gains in strong liberal ridings that were fed up with business as usual and as a result voters, some liberals switched sides, from red to blue (in your case, from liberals to conservatives), its a well documented fact, something you can read more about. In the subject of leader Ignatieff, his resume and his personal achievements played little in voters minds. They didnt reject him because because of his past achievements, they rejected his party, including some long time liberal supporters because he and his party did not offer them anything that they can take to the bank. In the last few weeks, voters across the country were asked, what matters to you in this election? Their answer, the economy and jobs and the liberals did not offer an equally strong plan to tackling some very difficult issues facing the country, instead, they attempted to impede progress, hence why we had another forced election held yesterday. and I dont understand what race has to do with voting blue and even if that was true, assuming that your theory about racism holds up, that means the many indian communities and pakis who voted blue yesterday in ONTARIO are racist? Wow, way to stick it to Ignatieff pakis. yours truly, LayZie G. PS: about the health care myth, you dont lose healthcare because if you are employed, you should have health insurance provided by your employer and which as an employee you make a small contribution towards your health insurance and if you are not employed, you are still covered with tax payer dollars, something that has been a long tradition in this country, hence why more Somalis enjoy the best of the best on the backs of tax payers. Either way, you dont lose, so you see, your claim about privatizing healthcare will not hold up.(dont confuse making cuts to the healthcare system to complete overhaul of the Canadian Healthcare System. If that were true and he wanted to privatize healthcare, Harper would immediately lose his senior votes, which is his bread and butter and he is not a silly man, seeing as he accomplished the unthinkable lastnight)

If Osama's sin is the murder of innocent civilians, (which is not true) How about Bush and Obama who have killed much more than he did, a Million Iraqis lay dead for a fake WMD that was never found. If? really? Is your use of conjunction in your sentence an attempt to re-write history? You are doing the monster disservice by denying him his reputation and his record as a mass-murder. Speaking of mass-murders, President Obama, who I hate to quote but find myself quoting lately because I seem to agree with him said that OSAMA WAS NOT A MUSLIM LEADER, HE WAS A MASS-MURDERER OF MUSLIMS. In short, he wasn't just responsible for the death of Americans but fellow muslims, something Osama never denied and here you are attempting to re-write history, I find that amazing. In addition, you resent me for saying that Osama is rotting in hell but in the same tone, you believe hell is only reserved for those you dislike the most, namely people who dont share your world view and generally profess a different religion, did I leave anything else out? Things are not necessarily true just because you make them out to be something they are not. Matter of fact, you cant except people to think that Osama is not a sinner just because you believe it to be true. If you believe he is not a sinner, thats your point of view but it doesn't make it true. Your words alone are not enough and never will be. YOu can't be right and billions of people around the world can't be wrong, things dont work that way. What you said above does not only offend fellow Muslims that are dear to your heart but your words are indefensible. Finally, you brought up IRAQ and WMD, something we have discussed at length and Iraqis themselves are rejoicing at the death of the monster, their own FOREIGN MINISTER said the following: "We, like many people in the world, are delighted to see an end to his mentality and his devious ideology," Zebari is quoted by the BBC as saying. "Iraqis suffered a great deal at the hands of this man and his terrorist organization. Thousands of Iraqis were murdered and killed because of his ideologies. We as Iraqis have suffered enormously as a result of Al Qaeda and its leader." and he is more than capable for speaking on behalf of IRAQ, seeing as he is a IRAQI. and if that is not convincing, then you should read the following from President Gul of Turkey, who was quoted as saying: Gul said the news should serve as a warning to terrorist leaders elsewhere, according to the Wall Street Journal. "This news shows that the fate of terrorists and the leaders of terrorist organizations is to be caught in the end, dead or alive," he said. "That the most dangerous and sophisticated [terrorist] leader was caught this way, should be a lesson to everyone." and another man I seem to have taken a liking on, King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz is too rejoicing at the news, sure enough he is silent, fearing backlassh but the state press agency issued a statement, stating that the death was a step towards combating terrorism, in other words, good riddance. President Abbas said: "Getting rid of bin Laden is good for the cause of peace worldwide but what counts is to overcome the discourse and the methods -- the violent methods -- that were created and encouraged by bin Laden and others in the world," Palestinian Authority (PA) spokesman Ghassan Khatib is quoted by Reuters as saying. and so it goes....so you see, I didnt even share the reaction of other world leaders, including but not limited to David Cameron's reaction and Russia's Medvedev.

^about the burial, how do we know the sea burial was not his wish? Maybe he had a will, maybe not but that is neither here or there. What matters is that you are here Nur, I logged in just now so I can put a team of search and rescue to come after you and get your reaction, sounds like your conspiracy theory is at full blast today. Mida Kale, freezer, 10 years? Bal share documented proof hadaba, unless ofcourse you will list a long list of articles written by fellow co-conspirators or share links of the crazie sites? Those who knew and met Osama say he was known to have had kidney stones and even if the claim of him suffering from kidney disease was true, he was well off to have had replacement and the finest doctors around, seeing as he was living it up at a mansion. The news coming out from that hell hole (aka pakistan) is that while this man(Osama) was directing young men to part with their life, he, Osama was partying up at a multi-million dollar mansion. Living the life of a King and I'm positive Obama would not bank his reputation without having evidence, especially when re-election is right around the corner. He has evidence on his side, what do you have except pure fiction? Conspirators are known to uses very little evidence and indirect evidence at that and not only that, they are known to exaggerate some of the evidence that they do collect. For example, kidney stones interpreted as a terminal disease in the kidneys. Enough is enough, unless you have a direct evidence that suggest otherwise, OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD I TELL YA. No one cares if he died a day, two or even a week ago, as long as he is rotting in hell that is all that matters. OSAMA DEAD AT age 54, execution style. LayZie G.

Most of us if not all of us here recall the night his excellency Muhammad Husni Sayyid Mubarak announced his departure from politics and resigned his post as the President of the republic. Egyptians from all walks of life took to the streets, full of jubilation, honking their car horns, chanting, singing revolutionary songs and generally coming together to celebrate what Obama called an encounter with history and he went on to say that the abdication of President Mubarak was one of those occasions. By reacting to Mubarak's resignation, President Obama when on to state: By stepping down, President Mubarak responded to the Egyptian people’s hunger for change. Not Obama, not you, and certainly not me thought the occasion will be followed with Lara being ravished in the square by a mob of men followed with an act of aggression and brutality. On the night in question, a young, charismatic journalist by the name of Lara Logan nearly escaped with her life after being brutally assaulted by a mob of "Muslim men " at the heart of Naar Square, which brings me to my original question, were the perpetrators caged animals or revolutionaries? For the perpetrators facts were the least of their concern because they were so enraged that a jew with be in their midst after hearing the shout from an onlooker who said (she is a jew, she is a jew) that they would gang rape a female in a public square, while onlookers did little to contain the mob of men who feasted on Lara on the nigh of question. It mattered little to her assailants that she was a war correspondent for CBS and the chief Foreign Affairs correspondent for CBS News but she is also 60 minutes correspondent, which is one of the reasons why she opened up about her attack in order to "break the silence code" that sexual assault is not something to be ashamed of, sexual assault done in the name of religion is just as worse and for that reason, Lara decided to speak about her attack and confront her rapists and for that she should be commended. Neither her beauty nor her profession was questioned when she took to the center of naar square (Tahrir Square) to report the celebration, the call for change, the happy faces of the crowds, instead we the world saw happy, excited crowd, eager to show their faces on the camera as they ushered in a period of change.(farce if u ask me) As Lara took to the square, mobs of young men, smiling from cheek to cheek surrounded her, happy to show their face to the camera and happy to let the world know that they have lived to see that moment, on that hour when Egyptians met their faith, DEMOCRACY at last, shouted one man. Freedom has come to EGYPT shouted another and at a moment's notice, Lara's Camera went out(as she would report , a dead battery was the cause) and the crowd got anxious, several men let their hands instead of their mouth do the talking, groping, touching Lara inappropriate places. One moment Lara is reporting the news, the next she is the news. Two hired local guards/drivers, her personal guard, her producer and her photographer could not only protect her but she was intentionally separated from them by force. Her personal guard was being held by a group of men as other mobs made their way to take their turn as they repeatedly assaulted Lara. Just as the groping was becoming more intense, a voice from the crowd shouted she is a jew, she is a jew and her clothes were immediately torn off, her body was violated not by one or two but many egyptians, mostly "Muslims", "peaceful revolutionaries", who are suppose to not only set good example but lead by example took upon themselves to sexually assault a female repeatedly until her cries were heard by a group of Egyptian women. Lara recalls seing the veil of one of the women who rescued her, a Niqabi]. According to Lara, they have managed to disperse the crowd and soon after several guards came to her aid, beating their way into the crowd just to get to the victim, an innocent woman whose only crime was giving the caged animals the benefit of doubt by reporting the news. The mob of gang rapers felt that their action was justified, which is why they intensified the sexual assault upon learning of her Jewish ties. (no time to vet the female, lets get the jew, she is the enemy) "Muslim" men gang rape a female and claim their actions was justified because she was a Jew. To interpret the gang rapers action is to say that Jewish women should be raped by all caged animals in the Arab world because Jews, as far as these animals are concerned are the enemy and the violence against jewish makes it an acceptable action. says the rapist. After all, they are jews right? (Does it even matter whether the claims of her jewish faith are true?) While rape is mostly a learned behaviour, acts of rape committed by rapists go unpunished in the Arab world. The Lara Logan assault is no different. Moreover , rapists are more consumed with the pleasure and gratification aspect of the act than they are about what religion their victims profess. In Egypt and most Arab states, the crime of rape is committed by the victim nor the rapist. yours truly, and forever, LayZie G. Source: Lara Logan, 60 minutes interview, Sunday, May 1st, 2011.

Now what was Miskiin saying about Muslim women and non-Muslim men?s Now if only someone could beat it over Miskiin's head with it, what a relief that would be for him? The potential for growth is there, I just want him to grab it and run with it. Run ya Miskiin, run. PS: Now that I have gotten to know Miskiin in action (the last week), he will come back with something close to, well I only emphasized the part that relates to women and ofcourse, this will absolve him, or so he thinks. Just like his so called gaffe from the previous page, he thinks that correction also absolved him. Mida kale, Miskiin, you will probably never admit this in public, I dont know why you wont (I think you should) but you probably wont and this is because I think deep down you think women are second class citizens to men and your desire is to have submissive women, ones who follow you blindly. JUST LIKE THE SHEIKH PRESCRIBED IT AKA the Amir of your kingdom, aka SHEIKH ZUBEYR.

PS. Be Proud of who you are...If a jew can afford to be proud of being jewish...surely a Muslim should be proud of being Muslim. I don't know what you read but the poster mentioned country 4x, and the amount of times she mentioned muslims=you guessed it, cero, as in 0000000000000 times. Why you will inject faith and the believers to this discussion is beyond me, but waxa aad qorayso marka hore ka fiirso eedo. To have a country is to have wadan, to call a land yours and to call its people to rise up and lead by example, were wise words on your part but here goes the but, you failed to connect the posters rants to the real issues facing SOMALIS and SOMALIA, not Islam, not Muslims but SOMALIA AND SOMALIS.... This is about a country and the people that hail from such place.....(I dont know how you identify yourself and maybe thats part of the problem but as you can tell by now, the name of the forum is SomaliaOnline, a space for Somalis by Somalis, that should be your first hint at addressing the issues facing the SOMALI PEOPLE) yours truly, and forever, LayZie G.

Somalina, I agree with you whole heartly and as do most people...but, and yes, there is a but coming...all of this was unnessary. If you wanted to mourn for the deceased, you should have done it in private and not at the expense of his girlfriend.:cool: