I liked the poet, Mr. Maki - and i hope it's him. I liked the pictures, the videos and their contents. We're in such an unfortunate stage where all we have is but a 'once upon a time'. My sincere humble thanks to you all. Jibreel.

Enjoy Dr. Parenti.

Few movies and documentaries produced by brave journalists and film makers, hardly stands out as an acceptable comparison- unless voluntary amnesia in regards to history is an acceptable doctrine in regards to this discussion. Hollywood, a predominant institution with in the mass media has been unraveled and ''serious scholarship'' , joined by prominent award winning journalists have published work on the subject i.e for those of you who suffer from intentional ignorance. I do agree that speculation is no substitute for serious scholarship but so are lazy remarks. And while we are in the subject of serious Scholarship, neither has the opposing block quoted nor produced any(prominent scholar) scholarly texts or anything that resembles serious, save for the empty rhetoric with the usual doze of hearsay. Since it is a simple truism that public opinion in democracies is manufactured, the notion of the mass media being used for propaganda is but a fact- but one i would want to see refuted. So enough with the nonsensical attempt but do refute and while at that, document your claims , if you can. I can't believe that i have missed that commentary and i can't believe the nasty attempt made to disregard the only backed up fact in this thread! P.s. The fellow was half right when he mentioned the Hollywood conspiracy. Hollywood is engaged in one of the biggest conspiracy of the century i.e. It is rewriting history. Unfortunately it is the Empire's sole version of history that is being written and hence the rape. Jibreel.

Ngonge, what sort of proof are you seeking? Jibreel.

Somalis and their counterparts else where are suffering - and their plight is a profit to the henchmen in power. Hopefully, some curse will someday befall upon all the henchmen for only then can salvation come to our people. The least we can do is to pray for them; and pray we must. Jibreel.

I don't see a conspiracy theory in here and i fail to understand why the gentlemen in the above discussion(those who refute North's stance) have not given one single source , a mere fact , to support their otherwise irrational notion. Jibreel.

Ameen to all the above Duas. May Allah ta'ala bless the brother's union,inshaAllah. Congratulations. Jibreel.

An interesting article. What's your take on it? Jibreel.

Lol, the thread does indeed amuse me. As for the topic in discussion, it is my believe that every Cali and Maryan knows what led to our demise. Unfortunately we have learnt less of almost everything that our failure should have taught us. Jibreel

Perhaps its about time that people stopped out-threading each other on the topic. Instead of starting a new thread you could have just voiced your concern in the other one. As for the reasons you stated why people shouldn't be banned, some are quite reasonable but there should be a ground when mocking the fundamental principles of Islam. There is nothing that i can think of that can make or force an individual to mock a religion in the basis of freedom of speech, or call it what you may. Mocking creates no environment for a reasonably intellectual debate nor does it create anything of substance. The end of it all is nothing but provoking the majority of the members(Muslims) and that beggs for some accountability. Jibreel.

While it is disgusting to see the suffering and the pain inflicted on our brethren back home, it is equally disgusting to point a finger at one of the factors of the problem and downplaying the ''whole'' InshaAllah time will come when all will be brought to justice. Jibreel.

This is but a futile attempt of a debate if the best of your efforts was the display of skills in your above post. Needless to say more, you ask for proof when infact the proof you so adamantly ask for is right before you(If you just read the article). Thirdly, one who objects must reasonably have a reason as to why. Backing up your tirade inregards to the article and my explanation is a responsibility towards one's stance. Having failed in all of that and yet claiming that you don't have to proof anything is indeed an educated adult's scope of understanding per your definition of it and in that regard, you will forever be waiting for Jibreel. End of discussion. Jibreel.

Good day trollers.Good day Ibti and Juxa

Originally posted by Norfsky: Then wondering why people disagree is called reasoning by an educated adult miya? Indeed it is a positive trait of a discourse to disagree and in disagreeing, many good things may come forth i.e more insight to a matter. Unfortunately in this regard, the Quran, the Sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him and the Scholars are clear about this and this warrants no objection whatsoever(subject matter of this discourse). You did ask questions and Jibreel replied you with answers but instead of being objective about the topic, you displayed traits that are not forthcoming of an educated adult: 1. The topic is about the apostate regime of South Somalia,the TFG and not Jibreel. 2.The topic is not about Al Shabab. 3.Jibreel gave you answers.If you disagree with the answers, challenge them if you can and instead of hiding behind ill banners, reason with the man and prove him wrong if you can (and i dare you) instead of attempting to corner him. 4.Assumptions too are a trait unbecoming of an educated adult.(Jibreel didn't declare his support for a group as you insinuate) 5.The proof you sought from Jibreel is in the article, if you disagree why don't you come with your proof on why you disagree.(In the light of the Quran and the Sunnah) 6.According to you, the TFG is not as the posted article portrays it or as the poster of the article juxtaposes the TFG and the description the article gives regarding the kaafir states and their leaders. Kindly negate it Objectively. As you can see, neither have you done what the educated adult does nor have you behaved yourself in a manner that befits one. So unless you decide to reason objectively like an educated adult, no dice mate. Jibreel won't indulge you since it would be but a waste of time. P.s. To point the truth about the Kaafir regime of the TFG doesn't really mean that one has to be with the other side as you tried to suggest in your above remarks. I hope your last post has been answered to your satisfaction. Jibreel

To Norf; When you decide to reason like an educated adult, perhaps then would Jibreel consider to indulge you. Otherwise it is but a waste of time since your post lacks both reason and tangibility. To Naden; The TFG is but a body of persons and the definition befits them in plural but when refering to it, we do refer to it as one and hence why i singularized them. I do however agree with you on some points but that is not what the discussion was. It was about apostasy and so long as it concerns that, the TFG has qualified inregards to the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet,sallalahu caleyhi wasalam. Jibreel.