Originally posted by Naasir: Those whom we call non believers are fighting to legalize polygamy. Us (Muslims) whom we are given permission to practice as long as we are following Allah's guidelines are condemning (A lot of us, unfortunately see having more than one wife as negative or unfair and ignore to listen the Qura'n and Hadith by interpreting just the way they want to see it ) ma soldier, fight the good fight and go get'em naasir, and while your at it, bag a couple for me, fortunes have been dry this way lately.

me, maan are you blind, we're moving forward and we're gonna round up the primitives, starting with you

Nur, what about the islam our parents, grandparents and ancestors practiced in their day, where was that imported from?

maan the waddaads have good negotiators

^ Djib, which logic is very questionable?

Ouch ... dude, turn around, let us see the whip-slash marks

NG, in african standards: V = (value for life) B = (benevolence) G = (greed) (suitability for) or impressiveness = [1/ (V*B)] + e^(G) notice that this function is inversely proportional to V and B, so the higher they are the lower the suitability. However, it has a logarithmic growth on the greed, which ultimately overrides both. We speculate that is due the need to fulfill the void left by the absence of V and B, which in african minds shrink with G.

AYOUB_SHEIKH, I completely agree with you, and your point on incentives. Maybe i'm pessimistic, but who ever rules will rule on some set of incentives, what those are who knows.... what we can be sure of is that they are aligned with their pay masters. wrt to wahabism, lets not confuse political ideology with religion. Its refered to as wahabism, because it conveys as certain type of thinking. It has supporters and defectors, and you cannot say it value, with out looking at what those at top have to gain. The usual reason for the saudi-somali wahabism argument used to be influence and access to resources, i.e. put your people, in power, they support u're interests. Do you see that as a problem... depends on what you have t loose For me though there are two problems with all this (1) the revisionist ideology and is its focus on rediscovery. i.e. they were right in the past. Sometimes this is true, most of the time is says more about disenfranchisement with society and given somalia's current state, rightly so. (2) the idea that thoughts are set in stone, and societies are constant and never changing and so their rules must be cast iron.... Hey, the evangelists pioneered it with their african runs (how many devout african evangelists have you seen compared to whites..), so why cant the muslims use it 'ey..

thanks libaax. I found the comments below the video very telling of our communal state of mind. The fact people are still willing support a once murderous dictator says a huge amount of the trauma of the somali mentality. The funny thing is that most of the youtubers wern't probably much older than children when bare was in real power, yet .. you can imagine. Anyhow, king is dead, when does the new king sit?

^^ yeah I hadn't realised that 4x4 were two a dime in muqdisho....

^ lol, and don't forget the 'i've got 10mins to kill, let me preach your a$s off" section

love the name, forgot to say xu, these guys do hillarious cartoons, you can get more of them here http://www.kartuun.com/

looool, its all so homoerotic big guys with bigger bare chests rolling and ruffin around together 'diggin down and giving it all they got' for their superiors..... i was expecting the 'every body dance now!' to break any moment, lol

Che, walaal, no offence taken. I just get infuriated by the insensitivity of the somali publishers for putting up such pictures.

*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING*WARNING* DO NOT OPEN THE LINK ABOVE UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO SEE THE RESULTS OF AN AUTOPSY. People please. This is the second time i've noticed a link to that set of disturbing pictures. Dont just link such content. Its gratuitous, sensationalist and voyeuristic. It adds nothing to the debate and is not what you want to click on in public, around kids, or fpr that matter anyone for a sense of respect for teh dead. If you want the story, here it is minus the autopsy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6066240.stm CHE, for the sake of decency and respect for the person in that picture and their families, please remove your link.

^^ you my man are a walking ball of contradictions, i wonder how you even step out of bed in the morning. Essays, no books could be writen just about your name, avatar, signature of peace ... and then come your comments .. lordhy. Adiga noo micney dhaqanka saudi. and to be honest aamiin that you dont have awooda aad qof uga sartid ama aad soo galisid diinta.

umm, its very shiny

OMG somali girl singing in english. She's brill tho'

lordhy!

thats one of the most supverssive things i've seen wrt irqa yet.

^ As far required to keep the focus on her clients intrests rather than her preferences. Which if i'm not mistaken is what she is contracted to do!

Sophist 1st she is marganilising herself by choosing to deliberatly step outside the boundries of convension. Should she do that, who cares. can she so that, we'll support her rights to. As much as i respect the right of anyone wear what ever they like, by your rationing, she has as much right to "normalise this type of attire" to the judge as a nudist does to a mufti. But would you be willing to stand for that as easily? Now the simple is case is that if the actual process of lawyering and defense were as you say' blind to anything other than evidence and reason, then there really would be no need for lawyers to be present in court. Each party could submit their evidence and argumnents in writing and the case with most evidence and reason as judged by the impartial judge wins. I agree with NG. on this one.

sophist ----- Walahi anigu, I admire anyone who stands up for their religious believes with conviction. Clearly this lady has done so. Well done to sister. ----- Saxiib at what point in her quest was she fulfilling a religious tenant? Yes she has conviction, but this isn't about religion. If she was protesting about the inadequate housing, chronic poverty, social marginalisation, and basically any of the other countless issues that affect the Islamic community today, then ... well we know then she wouldn't get the public attention. You know as well as i that the lady is arguing for her right to marginalise herself based on her cultural value (we know the niqaab is no more). In that case the judge has his rights to not oblige her values, and she has right to not accept .. ad-infinitum. Therefore, my point is not about what this lady has the right to argue for or against, but (1) what she is arguing for: If this case ia about dress, then its already been covered interestingly from the opposite perspective) and the consensus is wear what ever the hell you like, so long as it doesn't affect function. (2) If this is about raising a point, then where is the meeting point: Two options, 1. Total domination of side over the other or 2. a compromise where every one looses something. Cambarro Again, the point is not we are against her doing it, but: 1. She cant say this is for religion, it is more than requested by faith, therefore an option. And other people also have options. 2.We'll support her right to wear what ever she likes and it seems that the secular court thinks so too. 3. On the liberal front, now from your posts, i wouldn't disgrace you by putting you in that camp. But you seem to arguing for that front. So if your willing to support Ms Mughal's rights to wear what she pleases, would be so willing to graciously extend you blessing to all other women's rights to do the same. 4. Anti Muslim barrage -- its getting stronger and stronger, but the temporary suspension in function of the "common sense" gland in many loud Muslims seems to be feeding it. So please be as willing to lay criticism. - Anyhow it all just seems ineffectual, its more like what i would expect from a 16 yr-old rebelling and sending two fingers up at the establishment, not an attempt to further the interests of Muslims.

lordhy!

qaxooti ordaaya .. ehhehehehe .. you def. have my support 1 squid per mile, we'll double that if you make it under 4 hrs