Shame that doesnt say anything about consiliation plans. Have they any plans other than men with with guns in dealing with the situation? --- i.e. what is their intention of 'maamuul'? and xalane, what looks good?

was this before, during or after? full story posted earlier and here

What it was obviously meant to say For Immediate Release: On the order of the President of Ethiopia H. E. Meles Zenawi to loosers everywhere Greetings from the governor of of the 12th admistrative province, H. E. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed to new Ethiopians everywhere and the leaders of the Occupied world, celebrating our victory, The governor sends his warmest gloatings to the people of the 12th admistrative province and terrorists all over the world the as they celebrate the Eid some-thing-or-other holiday and join in spirit with the millions of terrorists gathered in somewhere in the vicinity of Mecca to uphold the traditions of one of their most sacred duties of some religion : the Hajj we think As residents of occupied territories celebrate the annual Hajj, the fifth pillar of terrorism, they honor the great sacrifice and devotion of some one or other as recognized by terrorists. Unlike us, terrorism is a religion that inspires its followers to lead lives based on injustice, humiliation, and personal irresponsibility. During these times you, terrorists, give thanks to some one or other for His lack of bounty and mercy, celebrate the holy days, and wish each other well happy jidah, while we plan to our next strategy to irradicate them with the help our principal donor, and God's very own favourite people. “May every year find me in good health!", and with more of your loot. “On behalf of the Admistration of the 12th admistrative Province and on my own behalf I take this occasion in sending my best raspberry and wishes of joyous celebration to my sponsor.”

"Les peuples musulmans doivent voler au secours de leurs frères en Somalie" => " muslim peoples must fly to helpt their somali brothers" "l'alliance croisée et américaine, avec l'agresseur éthiopien, n'est que la continuation de leurs précédentes alliances avec les juifs sionistes et les rafidhas (terme péjoratif désignant les chiites) contre les musulmans". => (paraphasing) The amrican ethiopian alliangce is just the next step of the zionist and shi'ite conspiracy (aggression) against muslims ---- These Ba$tards want to turn us into the next iraq with more somali blood on the streets. The message to the should be clear. eff off and stay out

Ok enough with the tit -for tat. There is no need to personalise it. If you have anomosity, got take it out on a wall.

raadamiir Leave the posturing with your desk-chair man

point Umm, My choice? First i'll take the "scale anarchy of southern Somalia" to mean the ICU administration.. The Kenyans have cultivates a vile kleptocracy, but other than Mau Mau uprising (1952-1960) hasn't engaded in wholesale genoside. they have a growing economy, somewhat peacefull polical movements (exc. if your a somali interest group). I think what we forget with the ICU is that they are a reactionary movement, formed out of the scars of the population, to stave off to human leaches. And as such they performed a duty well and beyond any that could be expected or hoped for. Therefore the argument cannot be an "either or" case, since the ICU could not of come about, if whatever ruled somalia could of at least put forward a percentage of what the kleptomaniacs of Kenya have provided for their population. However, in my humble oppinion, we dont need movements, they are transiant. We need instituations (health, wealth, eductaion, ....) that stay. Let people bring on what ever belief set they like, so long as they leave the institutions in place. For that reason i dont much care who is in power, so long as providing for their population is their only objective .... Therefore, with regard to TFG only time will tell, and though sadly the past performace of their members and the track record of their sponsor dont leave much to the imagination, I dont think we should let go of our hopes.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: The real wadanis, Brown, are the people who always have the interest of their people at heart. You and other who think like you are far from that. WE can have different opinion on what this interest of the Somali people is but is not our return to statehood our number one interest. Occupation, also, my friend is not how you define it to be. It is when one country takes over another, for what ever reason. If we are to define occupation as whats happening in Somalia, lets just say most of the world is occupied. It has accord again and agian in history, that when the government of a nation is besiged, it asks for the assistance of its allies for help. That is what Somalia has done. A few days. Our government will be in power, Ethiopian troops will be thanked for their assistance and sent back, and you will hate The president, prime minister and the rest of the government. aside from we are an occupied nation (The state of our nation for the past sixteen years is worst then any occupation I can imagen) what will be your excuse for not supporting our government? Naxar 1. answer the questions posed to you. 2. I think you misunderstand the nature of statehood friend. A state *is* a means to an end, *not* the end its self. So whe you say: " WE can have different opinion on what this interest of the Somali people is but is not our return to statehood our number one interest". a) The answer is unequivacle *NO*. We want mechanisms that will serve our collective interests, unbaised to our indivudual preferences. We'll take what ever provides that - . b) No, most of the world is not under occupation. And those that are are the poorest, stinkiest ones fighting and being slowly wiped out. c) the TFG is *not* a government until it proves it self in serving the interests of the peoples it administers. Up until then it is an interest group.

Brown Labels aside, the facts on the ground are "the kings have long departed".... 1. It is difficult to see how a government put in power by a dictator that is wiping out his own people could ever even sniff at the lofty rhetoric is spouts so loudly. 2. Ethiopia has an incentive to pursue and the Zenawi regime would be acting against its own interests if it did not go into Somalia - if for nothing else it need the patronage of the green backs. Its our own peoples fault that we are the conduits of the imperial aspirations 3. Occupied or not, it's Somali blood that will be shed the most .. and we have the same duty as before to try ease the pain of this transition (however long it lasts) 4. No one needs or wants further bloodshed. So we should at least attempt to reconcile our difference and try to influence the kind of change we would like to see 5. Any credibility the TFG had/has will fast disappear if it cannot *at the very least* provide the peace and the security the ICU administered, and this is our strongest weapon -and as far as i understand our only objective. we therefore have something -outside of the realm of power struggles- to hold them accountable with and in their own words- so lets ease on the mud-slinging and concentrate on trying to hold them accountable

Naxar Lets for a moment go by the recent history of *actual* events: Exactly what have the members of the TFG achieved in the last 17 years individually or collectively, other than ousting Bare, and the ritualistic blood letting of the people of somalia and their respective militias. Look the only achivement you can attribute to them so far is the mule swapping that result is its current face. So partisan policits aside, saaxiib, as an *ideally rational* being, based on their past performance, expecting any change is a leap of faith

Xox ogaal, "press the edit button" you can still change it

castro I think that kind of irrational faith is called hope, so lets hope ...

^ Martin Fletcher is a London Times writer, this is the original article . And, he's been on the radio for the past week wailing this message (to no effect) as loud as he could. Actually and surprisingly the London Times (a Rupert Murdoch paper) has been covering somalia at much greater depth than any of other English dailies. Castro You'll this intersting also: --- Analysis: a military victory but Somalia vacuum looms Rob Crilly, who has been covering the conflict in Somalia for The Times, says the Government's swift defeat of the Islamist militias, with the help of Ethiopia, suggests nothing more than a return to the political vacuum that has endangered the country for 15 years: "There are lots of things up in the air today and it's too early to know quite what is happening in Mogadishu, but there are a few things that are clear. The first is that the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) simply could not cope with the firepower of the Ethiopian forces, who are fighting on behalf of Somalia's interim Government. "The Islamic court militias, mainly made up of young, badly-trained fighters had no answer to the well-drilled, well-equipped Ethiopians and were defeated again and again. "This has led to a rapid military victory for the Government and the taking of Mogadishu. The question is what happens next. Although until now the UIC was nominally in control of Mogadishu, and much of the country, ultimately power resides with the clan elders. If you have the support of the clan elders, you're in business. "What we learned today is that last night, the Government approached the clan elders in Mogadishu and asked them to withdraw their support for the Islamic courts. They have done that, and without their backing, the court leaders left the city. What is less clear is whether the clan elders will now stand four-square behind the interim-Government, which beyond the support of the UN and the international community, has little legitimacy in the eyes of ordinary Somalis. "As for the UIC, they have now suffered a series of setbacks and most of their leaders are believed to be gathering in Kismayo, a town they still control in the very south of the country. Along the way, they have been distributing their weapons and their fighters among the clan elders. Some of the more practical-minded and moderate leaders will be expected to come to an agreement with the Government, but a big question remains over what the hardliners do next. "Among these hardliners are a group known as the Shabbab: young fighters, fundamentalists, some of whom are Afghan-trained. They are believed to be responsible for the murder of Kate Peyton, the BBC producer, in Mogadishu last year and various attacks on aid workers. "They really have no option but to fight. They are regarded as outlaws by the Government and may have the capability to launch a prolonged guerrilla war. "Somalia's problem now is that there is a political vacuum, much in the same way there was six months ago. The Ethiopians have fought their way to Mogadishu, effectively giving the interim Government control over much of the country, but what happens when they withdraw? No one seems to have given much thought to what happens next, or what form a political settlement might take. "Some of the analysts I have been speaking to today have compared the situation to Iraq: a swift military victory but with no plan for the peace. Somalia is almost back where it was six months ago, before the rise of the Islamic courts. Are they finished for good or will they come back? Or will the Government be able to win enough support in Mogadishu?" source

some one delete this please

^ Bisinka, tacsi saas ah waligey uma maleyn in aan aqrindoona

allah ha u naxriisto, and give relief to their families

^^ and the piece is a mouth organ for the People's Front for war and savegery

fanstasic news, they can now safely close it again

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: Ok CG, you are not welcomed to GD & Juje's SOL pro-TFG cyber-warriors party. DAMn, and i was gonna bring Tarzan and Jane..

Eyewitness: 'Everything is unpredictable' Somali human rights activist Ali Said Omar, 27, describes the mood in his country's capital, Mogadishu, after Islamist fighters flee and Ethiopian-backed government forces arrive. Bakara market was unusually quiet this morning. Most of the streets are empty. Businesses are closed, as are shops and restaurants. I saw a few groups of two or three people together chatting, and there are only a small number of cars around. The big Muslim holiday Eid ul-Hajj is on Saturday and now this makes life even stranger as people were waiting for this celebration, looking forward to it. People should be doing their shopping now for the holiday but the shops are closed and everyone is remaining indoors. No-one wants to go into the streets. Anything could happen. Waiting and shocked Looting has been going on. Some of those involved freelance militia that were kicked out by the Islamists, but some are just opportunists, grabbing as much money as they can. Last night many, many people were robbed. Speaking to people I did pass it seems as if our city is full of tears, waiting to burst. Most seem very worried, some terrified, waiting to know what to do. People are very shocked because we were expecting that things would take longer. However, three days ago, when helicopters and warplanes appeared over our city and the bombs were dropped on Mogadishu airport, we got the feeling that what is going on is an international war - the war on terror. The fighter planes were coming from the sea and US ships from their Djibouti base are in the Indian Ocean. People really do believe that the US is part of this mission. Anger Last night before the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) left they told the city that they were fleeing so that fighting would not take place in the streets, so women and children would not be harmed - they said we're doing this to save you. Some people agree with the Courts' decision but some are angry that they have abandoned the city. Already things in our city are chaotic again and if this continues it will be a very catastrophic situation. If our city goes back to how it was six months ago it will be very complicated. So much has changed. 'Easy to get a gun' The weapons are now back in the hands of anyone who wants one. When the Islamist Courts took control they recruited some of the different militia groups, trained them and taught them about Islam. But now that the Islamic Courts have gone those same militia are now trying to gain control once more. They have not forgotten their loyalties to the warlords, they are awake again. It is easy to get a gun, to start over... everything is possible for them. But it is not only the previous warlords who are making their way back, it is also some of the city's businessmen - they are now back in control, they are the ones that supply the weapons. Whether one supports the Islamists or not though it is all about the future of the civilians now. Revenge No-one is giving much consideration to the transitional government as they are only being guided by the Ethiopians who are in turn are guided by the Americans. If the government brings the previous warlords back then life will revert to how it was - the warlords will kill everyone to gain revenge on the people for supporting the Islamic courts. The people will be punished. Two warlords escaped with the help of the Americans when the Islamists took over. Since 9/11 everything has changed... America used to be a dream for us. But here the Ethiopians are hated more. You see - this is Somalia not Ethiopia. You do not have a right to come to another country and destroy civilians and say you are doing it to protect your own country. People are comparing Ethiopia's action to what America has done in Iraq and Afghanistan. Ethiopia is saying that Somalis are a threat to our security. People here are very angry with Ethiopia and then secondly with America. But not with Britain. Although the UK is very alike to the US, the understanding here is quite different, people here do not have animosity to the people of the UK. Although they were the colonisers and they were the ones that first gave away the ****** to Ethiopia, when you go back into history the UK has been welcoming to many of our people since the 1980s. Unpredictable Things are chaotic now and things can easily deteriorate even more. It depends what the next move is. If the transitional government can come up with a viable strategy to provide shelter and security for the Somali civilians then it will be a good scenario. I am not going to affiliate myself to any clan. I have no special fears related to that because of who I am - I see myself as neutral - but I do fear the ways in which this situation will affect us Somalis. Our fear is chaos, confrontation. Chaos and conflict, lawlessness. So many are already fleeing the city. I am always very hopeful and optimistic but at this stage everything is very unpredictable. We do not know the agenda of the Ethiopians or the transitional government. If they allow the warlords to return and stay then there will be nothing left but to flee. That would be the only choice. --------------------- source

^ loooooooooool its come to this has it. Lordh help you cultivate some resemblance of a brain

^ we'll then be forced to report that he's a secret "gar gaduud" and get the Omanis and Saudis next door to retire his "dhag dheer" ar$e.

baashi i've scratched and having consulted a few injir, they tell me the biliqaysi times are back. If the mule traders can see it in their infinite wisdom to forgo a round of tit-for-tat (for the populous) and actually think institutions rather than power in pockets, then they would of learnt something from the cimaamad gaduud .... However, given past performance (our only indicator for the future) and the nature of "scratch my back, i'll send in the brigades" the ingir fear that this is unlikely. Zenawi has no incentive to leave somalia -politically at least. It is his main cash crop since the EU barwaaqo has all but dried up, and a US windfall depends forcasts of anarchy. The others will do as they are told.

lol ... let it be man

Originally posted by Baashi: [..] Where we go from here? Anyone? Dont blame it on the sunshine Dont blame it on the moon light Dont blame it on the good times Blame it on the Mullah's