The price of the gun reflects the level of violence. More violence, for requirement for guns, so more demand on a finite resource increases its price. Less violence, means MOre stability, means less demand for guns so seller have to reduce its price to shift units. btw. I got my prices frm reuters: The price of guns is usually a good indication of what's happening in local conflicts. In the past few days, demand for weapons has soared in Mogadishu's Bakara arms market, Britain's Independent newspaper reports. Before you could pick up a rocket-propelled grenade launcher for just $400. Now you won't get change from $1,000. And AK-47s are flying off the shelves. now you can decide whether there is or isnt a correlation between the cost of weapons and the level of violence..

but as i said 3 moths ago, if i remember correctly the market price for guns was at its lowest for 16 years, while people in those areas had voluntarily disarmed!

and it has increased compared 3 months ago... all depends on what time line u wanna measure under ...

Yes, they want to score points, where points are meyd on the streets, but please clarify 'low grade violence'? for me...lordh. is it like you have to get suited up for 'low grade violence'?. i mean how does it work, are there special schools where they teach people to shoot 'hight-grade'? what a term!

Dude, Brazil has the 9th largest economy in world, SA, the largest in sub-saharan africa, and about the 50th in the world. SO the they are 'quite poor' or i'll compare them to somalia doesnt exactly cut it. We get it that u support the TFG unequivically, but please dont say "They are quite poor, and quite violent and their government are functining just like Somalia.", the sheer lunacy of such comments undervalue anything else you that you write

abu ansaar17, This has nothing to do with religion, muslim somalis have killed more somalis than ethiopians - which by the way, population wise has a muslim majority.

Ok, you've convinced me that any objective analyser woudl conclude they are better off living in somalia that Rio. Infact i'll be sure to tell this to my Brazilian work mate first thing tomorrow. But just before i do, tell me 1. do your record say whether not the number of somalis killed in the last 20 years in less than or greater than 600,000? 2. When the World Economic Forum was counting the deaths in somalia (along with SA) what catergories did they list for somalia ?

G. a port isnt really infastructure, its an institution for commerce. Infastructure is heathcare, sanitation, roads, judiciary, etc. We have a long way to go before whats left over from embezelling the tax collected on the head count of the goats the sea port and the qaad flights that land builds such things

ummmm no your wrong. So Brazil has a population of appr. 190 Million, SA and Colombia about 50 Million each, Somlia apprx. 10 Million. therefore proportionaly every death in SA or Colombia is equal to 5 in Somalia, and with brazil we have 19. What this means is that your listed 30 murders per 100,000 in Colombia is equal to 6 murders per 100,000 in Somalia and South Africas, 50 per day you listed would equal to 5 per day in somalia. Now we dont have stats for somalia, but if we did, i think we would get more than 5 violent deaths per day or 6 murders per 100,000. Add that to the displacement, of people, the lack of organised security for person or property, healthcare, sanitation and all the other you can think of, and its clear why more people invest in or move to SA per year than back to Somalia. Lets not even start to compare infastructure

Saaxiib, its an interesting hypothesis, but one of the points of a government is that it alone has teh monopoly to exercise power - violence being the extereme. Anyhow, the TFG is not long in power and does not have resources, unilateral support, or infastructure, as such it exists as a government only in name. Therefore Haiti, where UN troops are battling it out with gangsters - because Jean-Bertrand Aristide's army was dispanded, a few years back and the gov. there has no resources or factional support is closer to somalia than Brazil or SA, where these are governments in the real sense of procedure, facilities and infastructure to exercise power. Anyhow, in case of Haiti civil violence has stopped the nation from moving forward, lets hope that level of violence is not inflicted by the TFG and the various warring parties.

Never mind the editing, i havent seen worse propoganda since the iraqi 'free elections'. Go they boys/girls in green white and red ey!

^Dude, look at your company policy. You can easily be prosecuted for leaking information to intended recipients (i.e. us) - even if the information is harmless.

mind over matter ey! .. i like your style lilly, though its a little worrying in this context,

i cant believe you people are eating that stuff! Ever heard of battery hens -please do a google img search and then think whether you could put that in your mouth, 'cos thats what they use.

^ a lower estimate for most recording of non r'n'b orientated somali song and dance i've seen [edit] zu, lets revise that estimate to '88

fanstastic topic femme no questions, it has to be the true story of i kannot baleef it ma fareen.. I'm still laughin

It ia a shame that orginal expression of somali culture died in 1981

Alle-ubaahne Waryaa, adiga iyo MK Yoonis ma isla dhalateen?

Man leave the boy be.. You should all be gratefull for him, without his incessant wailing, you'd have to find something worthwile do with your time... Its ok MK, we dont perceive you wrongly, really

southern italy right?

Galcaio ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

^ look, Why do you think you havent seen any such posts so far. I realise you are new to this, but we have rules. On the top of that is *dont post pictures of suffering out of gratuity* -> i.e. no pics of dead people So please remove it, now.

abu ansaar17 REMOVE THE PICTURE IN THE THIRD POST IMMEDIATELY. WE DO *NOT* ACCEPT THE GRATUITOUS POSTING OF IMAGES OF THE DEAD. FOR THAT MATTER, NO POSTING OF IMAGES OF THE DEAD, MUTILATED OR OTHERWISE MAL-INFLICTED. NOW, KINDLY REMOVE THAT PICTURE.

Caamir, saaxiib I'm afraid my understanding of arabic is not on par with my reading of it. I skimmed through the somali translation and it looks like really bad propoganda for something or other.

MMA, It all makes sense now Caamir, The directive of a Somali division along the two lines are.