^ It interesting the way compromise is the first faculty culled on the arrival of power... Safi's anger is certainly understandable. The similarity in the symptoms that she describes and the experience nuuridiin faarax relates only reinforces the hopelessness of the not at all funny joke that is somali politics

MMA, nothing worse that a hypocrite wallaal - runta caafimaadka bey u fiicantahay - Garuunkana waa kuu dhiibayaa hadaad rabtid

Rudy, purleeeeee Raadsddeh, the man is a fascist, and we call fascists, fascists .. plain and simple .. have you read what he writes. Does he support a waqooyi nation or a fractured somalia that is more easily malleable to outside interests, have you read anything the man has written before or were your just blurry eyed by the mention of the SL word? MMA, your right i find it hard to keep a cool when the blood lust is so blatant [edit] MMA, Actually 5 mins later, I'm not sure that right .. which do you find more offensive, a call for somalis to kill each other, or someone being told were to put their call for somali's to kill each other? Even if i was just insulting him for the sake of it.. which comment actually insults your intelligence and morality? we write rules that regard the use of profanities. But you do not have to be profane to offend .. if we are more concerned with offense as opposed to words, then we should not let such idiotic and hateful tripe be thrown around so easily.

Just checking you never know these days, with all the invasions fights for freedom .. has any one taken a pop-shot at him yet?

Thats the one, thank you puuj. I'll try it tomorrow

are you sure they didn't send the minister of state

Lost in translation -------------------- A colossal misfortune none their doing, They were trapped; The peoples, the nobles, The scrag-ends of an empire At the crag-ends of the world Once the coolies of Cardiff and Liverpool too, And once before the warrior Celts, A colossal misfortune none their doing, They became trapped. Trapped in the wastelands, Faced with a noland, Rascals and savages to the east and west Oceans and deserts to the north and south A colossal misfortune none their doing, They were trapped, For Queen and country, then King, King, and a another then again, for Queen and country, They fought bravely A colossal misfortune none their doing, They are trapped, Amongst the vagabonds, found a noland in the seas, found a salt-land and in the deserts, found a wasteland A colossal misfortune none their doing, They were trapped, In the battles of the lands in no shadeland, no rainland, or a windland nor snowland, or even an iceland black as cinders, skins are now scorched, in a burntland. a lalaland in a nothingland A colossal misfortune none their doing, They were trapped, without a land Lost their tongues their roots and ships no longer distinguishable you will find them now in the torus of a digitalland with barriers for an anythingland for Queen and country kept alive in a word lost in translation A colossal misfortune none their doing, They were trapped, with land

Castro, I'm sure that you also meant to say how devastating the savage and indiscriminate acts road side bombings are for the people of muqdisho

Does anyone have a good recipe for bisbaas, i have make a couple good sasla style green bisbaas, but want to find out how to make the red tomato based one, i think its called shiil-shiil or something beginning with shiil- but i cant remember, thankx

walaal, i think you were meant to post it here http://www.somalilandonline.com/ -- but oopppss its a 404 much like the "country"

Dabshid, thanks for the article

classic, thanks mmA

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^Walle waan kuu baqsanahay wiilow . oo yaa kaa bajiyey, awoowe ?

Originally posted by roobleh: All your hatred about Dr. Pharm wouldn't change anything about the realities in Somalia. He is an expert of Africas and writes his opinions about the region. Without insulting anyone ask why he is suggesting that Somalia entity is dead. It is you Nolanders who are destroying their own people and country. Some of the Nolanders here on SOL continue to praise their worlord and call anyone against him that he/she do not have somalinimo. Who hates Somalis then,you or Dr.Pharm? Next time, before you throw your two cents, ask yourself what have you done other than destruction for Somalinimo? Fortunately, he is neither an expert nor writes about realities. He is a lobbyist and writes right wing opinion pieces that no one takes seriously, if nothing else, his commentary is little more than plagiarism lifted straight from propaganda pieces. He jumped from the LIberia/Sierra Leone, to somalia, simply because it is africa -- ummm maybe the "research" funding was drying up there ... - Love the nolander reference, have you seen the movie?

Originally posted by Stealth: On your point about self defense. You are right, you know you are really correct on that. Somaliland should unleash hell on Puntland, so that way they could get some respect. They really should start a war right now, and even press onto gorowe, perhaps then Somaliland can be viewed as an entity that has the sheer will power to protect the territory which it claims. I feel like this is the only way Somalis will appriciate things, if they feel the baaruud itself. This is Africa after all, and the way one gets respect or be taken seriously is being assertive. How old are you man? 13, 14 -- come back when the hormone rush stops and your head is firmly out of your ****** .. if you don't understand what that means maybe you could appeal to your ancestral ****** ****** ****** _____________ Xishmada hala adkeeyo, baliis. Caanogeel, isdaji walaaloow. [ May 26, 2007, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

While the likes of 50 Cent spin gangsta fantasies, rapper K'Naan has the brutal realities of life in war-torn Mogadishu to draw upon. Robin Denselow meets Somalia's hip-hop traveller Robin Denselow Friday May 25, 2007 Guardian Outside, it's business as usual under the blitz of neon in Times Square, with the weekend crowds jostling past the theatres offering the big Broadway shows. Inside the Nokia Theatre, the audience is faced with far more unexpected and challenging entertainment. On stage, there's a sharply dressed young man wearing a long, yellow scarf and a natty hat, talking about "dignified beauty and struggle" in Africa. For much of his set he is backed by just one African drum as he mixes minimalist hip-hop with singalong African melodies on songs and poems that deal with survival and suffering in his native Somalia. K'Naan is a powerfully low-key, theatrical, witty and disarmingly charming performer by hip-hop standards, but he dares to announce that he has seen more suffering and brutality than those American superstars who brag about gangster lifestyles and violence. The dismissive What's Hardcore? starts with a brutal (and accurate) description of contemporary life in the Somali capital, Mogadishu, followed by a swipe at American rappers: "If I rhymed about home and got descriptive/ I would make 50 Cent look like Limp Bizkit." The New York crowd scream with delight. These are extraordinary days for K'Naan, a 28-year-old African exile who was named Kaynaan (Somali for "traveller") Warsame. Now based in Canada, he was in New York as part of a marathon 43-date tour across the US with his close friends, Stephen and Damian Marley. The sons of Bob Marley, one of his early heroes, have decided that K'Naan is "one of our own" and "stands for the same struggle". Once this tour is over he will be in London for the Radio 3 awards for World Music at the Barbican, where he will be presented with the best newcomer prize, even though "politics and distribution problems" have stopped his much-praised debut album, The Dusty Foot Philosopher, getting an official release in the UK. "I was very surprised to get the award," he said. "It's very cool, but am I world music? There's trouble placing my thing in a category right now. Some call it world, some call it singer-songwriter, or Africa. It's all of that. In Canada, my album was hip-hop album of the year." After the Barbican, he will be moving on yet again, playing at the Glastonbury festival (where there is likely to be another collaboration with the Marley brothers), and then a possible project with Damon Albarn. But when I meet him, it's winning over a New York crowd that excites him, because the city played an important part in his story. His father was a taxi driver in the city when K'Naan was growing up back in Mogadishu, and it was from here that he sent his son his first hip-hop record, Eric B and Rakim's Paid In Full: "The most legitimate hip-hop you could find at that time!" He didn't understand the lyrics then "but I could tell they were bragging. I understood the emotions and that's what attracted me". He could also hear connections with Somali music. The melody for one of K'Naan's songs, Until the Lion Learns to Speak, is taken from a song by the Somali poet and 1950s musician Areys Ise Karshe, "who used to have just one drum, and was incredibly braggadocious". "He would say that other poets had no clue what they were doing, and that he was so fierce as a poet that the planet stops when he speaks," K'Naan says. "But then he would go on to say something relevant about the social situation." The way K'Naan describes him, it sounds as if hip-hop was invented in Somalia. Mogadishu is currently one of the most dangerous cities in the world, but when K'Naan was growing up there it was "amazing, peaceful, and almost beautiful to a fault". He came from a famously artistic family: his grandfather was the poet Xaji Mohammed - "they lowered the flag for three days when he died" - and his aunt was the celebrated singer Magool. Like many Somalis, he went to the theatre and listened to music and poetry "because in Somalia it's not a big thing to be a great vocalist, but you have to be an amazing lyricist. Somalia is called 'the nation of poets' and the memory bank of the nation carries on through poetry and proverbs." He wrote his own first poem when he was seven: "My mother and grandfather were in the house, and I came up to them and said, 'I have something to say,' and recited a poem about my father's absence. From what they tell me, it was really touching." His artistic childhood collapsed almost overnight in January 1991 with the overthrow of Somalia's dictatorial leader Siad Barre. In the absence of any recognised central government to take over, Mogadishu became a battleground between rival warlords and clans - a situation still unresolved today, after 16 years of anarchy and bloodshed. "You could see a civilisation ending," said K'Naan, "That's how it felt. Everything was on fire, and people were dying." He was 13, and his strongest memories are of fighting and killing, and the day his friends discovered a grenade in the Qur'an school they attended. "We figured it was something strange, but didn't know it could explode. So we threw it around until the pin came out. I was really lucky. My ears were ringing when it went off, and half the school was blown up, but luckily it was after school hours and no one else was there, so we survived." K'Naan's mother managed to get her family out of Mogadishu, and they joined his father in New York, before all moving to Toronto. There he learned English, and four years later he began to develop his own Somali style of hip-hop, after deciding he was not impressed with the American rap hierarchy. "When I look for the blues in hip-hop, the pain that mirrors mine, that I can identify with, it only goes so far. It's as if they are speaking about a headache and I'm talking about bullet wounds. I used to watch gangster rap videos with my brother, and he'd say, 'Don't they remind you of really rich spoiled kids who talk about having nothing?'" And how have America's hip-hop heroes reacted to his criticism? "Well, I met 50 Cent on a movie set and he was very pleasant. He didn't say anything, but he was smiling and gave me a hug. He was very cool." K'Naan's African/hip-hop fusion is special both because of his musical style and his lyrics, and though he is direct and clever rather than bombastic, he is never one to play down his achievements. Asked about his minimalist stage show, he answers, "A brave man doesn't need weapons. It's the coward who arms himself with all the equipment in the world. It's part of that tradition - having an impact without all the tricks and explosions." But once he has won over audiences with his current style, he says he plans to move on, "adding horns in with acoustic hip-hop - because in Somalia there has always been a tradition of using brass. I have been discussing brass ideas with Damon Albarn." As for his lyrics and his stance on the continuing horrific events back in his homeland, he admits he has problems. Taking on the hip-hop hierarchy is one thing, but rapping about the situation in Somalia is quite another. The past year has seen the warlords ousted from Mogadishu by the hardline Union of Islamic Courts, who were themselves then forced out by invading Ethiopians, backed by the US, who accused the Courts of harbouring al-Qaida. Now, the warlords are back, and the violence in Mogadishu is worse than at any time since K'Naan left - so how does he respond to all that? "Some people say K'Naan is mad - how could he support the Islamic Courts when they ban music and he's a musician? I don't care. Ban music, if you're not killing people, there's not mass rape going on and there are not people getting robbed and shot. The Islamic Courts accomplished something by bringing stability to Mogadishu after 16 years." Now that's hardcore. · K'Naan plays at the World Music awards at the Barbican, London, on Sunday. Dusty Foot on the Road (K'Naan Live) is released by Wrasse on June 18 source

^ good luck

libaax, any idea what microphone like thing to teh left of the AK is? Nicve photos Bixii, lets hope more young men put down their guns and run instead

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: I am begining to appriciate Rooble's commitment for Somaliland's cause ! Yep, with as much appeal as a bucket pile

YOu do know the man writing that is a a fascist twit don't ya?

^ JB, why are u posting a pic of 'ol fidel even with your cut and paste white mans face and hands, his shapely ankles give it away! The rules clearly state no posting of members pics

sorry for scousers but their game was devoid of passing or finishing.

couscous and chicken tagine ingredients for tagine: ---------------------- >chicken - a few legs and thighs - chicken beasts become too dry when cooked - and for goodness sake dont boil it first, if is frozen, let it defrost. > large Onion, chopped up > 2 carrots - chopped up in big chunks > 3-4 garlic cloves > olive Oil > cumin seeds - about a tea spoon > about 4 bay leaves, > chicken/veg Stock about 1 cup - you > handful of almonds > a handful of prunes or to your taste > a bunch of green coriander (cilantro for americans) - * note that the tagine does not have a sauce its kind of dry but very succulent. 1. Dry fry the cumin seeds for about a minute or until they aroma comes out 2. take about 3 coriander stalks (the thick bit at the end) chop off the brown bit at the very end of the root and throw it way and then chop up the stalk finely 2. add oil and onions chopped up coriander root and fry on a low heat till they start to brown. 3. add the crushed garlic 4. add chicken and stir a little till the chicken skin starts to brown - about 4 or 5 mins. 5. add bay leaves, and about 1/2 cup of the stock turn heat low cover and let it cook on a low heat slowly for about 30 mins - occasionally staring. 6. after the 30 mins, add the carrots and the prunes, if all the stock is gone add a little more, and some salt to taste. 7. cover again and leave to cook for about another 30 - 45 mins (still on the low heat) or until the chicken has really browned and is very very soft on the bone 8. about 5 mins before the end, add the almonds. ---- Ingredients couscous - ---------------------- > couscous 2 cups for 4 people > a couple of handfuls of the green coriander leaves > 1 onion > 1/2 lemon 1. put the couscous into a deep dish and add 1 and half cups of hot water for each cup of couscous. 2. cover with a tea towel or some other cloth and leave for 10 mins 3. in the mean time fry onion 4. when onions fried and couscous is ready, throw the onion, chopped up coriander leaver on top of the couscous and add the squeeze 1/2 lemon, add a little olive oil and a pinch of salt on top 5. mix it up so that it looks all funky white and green --- your ready to eat - aniga moos iyo bisbaas baan gees dhigtaa

^ def. JB is a guru, btw what is this sudden interest in c/c++ i thought people used more modern languages (not java) now?!

Originally posted by Elysian: JB and CG... You guys make it sound so easy! Anyway, CG's magic ruler was a good illustration of the problem, and I understood that part. But what bothers me is that although Zenon's reasoning seems correct, the conclusion is for sure wrong. So there has to be something incorrect with Zenon's paradox... right? Maybe not, at the most pedantic level, we never actually reach anywhere or touch anything.. since at an atomic level the electron shells around atoms act to repel each each other, so there is always a gap between any 2 objects and at a quantum level everything is a probability density so there is no certainty about anything being anywhere, just a likelihood .. i think u're better of just ignoring 'ol fidel there, much like his other major organs his brain has long vacated the space previously occupied by thought in favor of the wonders of heels